Terri Agnew:Dear all, Welcome to At-Large Ad-hoc WG on the Transition of US Government Stewardship of the IANA Function on Thursday 21st August at 14:00 UTC
Terri Agnew:meeting page: https://community.icann.org/x/VgDxAg
Kathy Schnitt:Welcome Mwendwa
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:Hello All!
Kathy Schnitt:Welcome Jean- Jacques
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:I will test my audio connection.
Kathy Schnitt:Welcome Olivier
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Staff, I see we have a new layout for Adobe Connect. Looks great!
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:Hello Olivier!
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Olivier: loud and clear.
Alan Greenberg:New layout?
Fatima Cambronero:hello everyone
silvia.vivanco@icann.org:Hello everyone
Roberto Gaetano:Cheryl is always ahead
judith Hellerstein:Hi All
Yasuichi Kitamura (ISOC-JP):hello, all. could i enter here on time?
Yasuichi Kitamura (ISOC-JP):sorry for hard to read my name. :)
Fatima Cambronero:Today I am the only one in the Spanish channel. Thanks to the interpreters Sabrina & Veronica :)
Terri Agnew:@Yasuichi, I even practiced before call. I will get it
Cheryl Langdon-Orr::-)
Mohamed EL Bashir:Hello everyone, hope all is fine and well
Alan Greenberg:Difficulty hearing Mohamed
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:Mohamed, could you speak a bit closer to the microphone?
silvia.vivanco@icann.org:Mohamed we cannot hear you very well
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:better
Gordon Chillcott:Much better
silvia.vivanco@icann.org:Yes much better
Terri Agnew:Welcome Alberto Soto
Fatima Cambronero:thanks Mohamed for this update
Carlton Samuels:Howdy all
Terri Agnew:We are finding the line
Terri Agnew:Welcome Loris Taylor, Carlton Samuels, Tom Lowenhaupt,
Roberto Gaetano:+1 Alan
Mohamed EL Bashir:Agree Alan
Carlton Samuels:#Alan: +1
Terri Agnew:Mohamed has disconnected we are dialing back out to him
Carlton Samuels:I would ask now what could the ALAC offer that would make a difference to any likely operational community proposals
Terri Agnew:Mohamed is back
Mohamed EL Bashir:Sorry i am Back
Carlton Samuels:Let's start thinking about this now and have a position that could be consistently argued by the reps
Carlton Samuels:@Mohamed: +1 on how ALAC could engage. My preference is for an approach that 1) ALAC ewstablish a position on operational matters that it would wish to see emerge and argue for that.
Alberto Soto:Fatima, I'm too
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Carlton +1.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:indeed
Alan Greenberg:Need louder!
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Alberto, please speak closer to microphone.
Fatima Cambronero:Alberto is in the Spanish channel
Carlton Samuels:2) Our reps should decide what community we see the best traction and focus our efforts there towards adoption.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:it is the interpreter'sline that's faint
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Carlton remark 2: yes.
Carlton Samuels:We need to give our reps the time and elbow room to cultivate 'gravitas'. Or else they will be sidelined with the glib 'this is a technical operational matter'!
Carlton Samuels:@OCL: ON your question. This IS the basis for the political play
Avri Doria:And why just the op communities? Becasue that is what the ICG decided.
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Carlton: yes. That's why we need to have volunteers actively engaged in all the other fora (my proposal of 2 weeks ago).
Terri Agnew:We are working with interpreters about volume
Roberto Gaetano:Am I the only one who hears Olivier's voice coming and going?
Terri Agnew:I hear Olivier clearly. Roberto if you need us to dial out to you let us know
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Jean-Jacques -- we'l come onto the involvement in other groups in Agenda ITem 4
Carlton Samuels:IS everybody
Carlton Samuels:Gone
Mohamed EL Bashir:i would like to speak after Carlton
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:..And we'll be back to Mohamed afterwards
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:Carlton, we can hear you thumping your desk! ;-)
Mohamed EL Bashir::-)
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Here is the NTIA Contract:
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:C.1.3 The Contractor, in the performance of its duties, must have or develop a closeconstructive working relationship with all interested and affected parties to ensure quality andsatisfactory performance of the IANA functions. The interested and affected parties include,but are not limited to, the multi-stakeholder, private sector led, bottom-up policy developmentmodel for the domain name system (DNS) that the Internet Corporation for Assigned Namesand Numbers (ICANN) represents; the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) and the InternetArchitecture Board (IAB); Regional Internet Registries (RIRs); top-level domain (TLD)operators/managers (e.g., country codes and generic); governments; and the Internet usercommunity.
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Carlton +1. That's why I was so insistent on changing the process, which was the only way to retain infludence.
Avri Doria:i think i agree with Carlton's point.
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Olivier, in London we had insisted on "interested AND AFFECTED" parties. But because of the chosen process, it was fairly easy for the "clients" to sideline our view.
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Mohamed: yes, we managed to get that. But now we will need to make sure that, beyond the words, our input gets the same ranking/standing as that from "IANA clients".
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:+1 Jean-Jacques
Terri Agnew:Welcome Tijani Ben Jemaa
Mohamed EL Bashir:@Jean-Jacques : +1 agree, the test that how ALAC contribution will be considered in the different processes
Gordon Chillcott:Agreed, Alan, and thank youi.
Avri Doria:one thing about the CWG charter, is that wee have included IANA accountabilty as spereate from ICANN accountabilty in the charter. Since ATLarge/ALAC is part of ICANN, won't it be particpating in the CWG? And they are one of those submitting a plan. So strong AL/ALAC particpation in CWG, once started may be a way to do it.
Carlton Samuels:@JJS. IMHO, the ALAC lost because some came too late to understand how those issues connect. So you never got the 'go ahead' in time. I regretted that.
Carlton Samuels:@ALan: +1 . Yes, please. Let's move to what we want to see.
Mohamed EL Bashir:@Alan, agree ALAC need to start discussing the issues that impacts "Registrant" in the process
Roberto Gaetano:Avri: +1
Roberto Gaetano:Alan: not every issue is an issue fore everybody
Mohamed EL Bashir:naming community issue will be complex, speciallly the political sensetitivty of whom will have oversight function
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Are numbering issues an issue for end users? As somenone who's just had to pay a fortune for some IP addresses, I think so.
Avri Doria:And I think that AL, having a strong ISOC-local maakeup, should be able to particpate in the other processes. I think that is AL/ALAC wants to incfluence it should fan out and get invovled in each of the 3 operational community efforts.
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Avri +1.
Fatima Cambronero:+1 @Avri. I said the similar thing before
Avri Doria:and it should submitt it own comments on the 3 proposals.
Carlton Samuels:@AVri: +1
Avri Doria:sorry, to repeat what has already bee said.
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Mohamed +1.
Fatima Cambronero:no Avri, that's OK. I reinforce your words.
Avri Doria:as i understood the ICG lan, if AL/ALAC submitts something contradictory to the proposal submitted by and OpCommunity, then the Op Community is supposed to work it out with Al/ALAC..
Roberto Gaetano:I did indeed submit a comment, I have mild satisfaction about the response by ICG, I think they skipped the more meaty observations
Avri Doria:... ICG plan ..
Terri Agnew:Mohamed please check your mute
Mohamed EL Bashir:i am not using phone as i am dial-out not using Adobe connect
Mohamed EL Bashir:It will be useful
judith Hellerstein:Did the chats freeze for everyone
Carlton Samuels:@JJS on GAC/ALAC 'convergence'. +1
Terri Agnew:@Judith, not for me
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:apologies I was dropped
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:ok -- back on
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:Olivier, your mike not clear.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:it could be the line
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Tijani, I'm not suggesting voting on all items, only on a limited number of things, at the beginning of the ICG.
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:still noisy
Yasuichi Kitamura (ISOC-JP):a little bit hard to hear
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Alan, in that case GAC members would abstain. At least we could count.
Carlton Samuels:@JJS: I truly understand why a vote and see all the reasons you provided for that position. But I ahve to agree with Tijani that in this instance it is useful to not have winners/or losers. Plus the disproportionate nature of the representation will require some kind of weighting. Oooh, Alan is saying it!
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:To All: I'm NOT suggesting voting on all items. It would have been important in the early, formative stages of the ICG.
judith Hellerstein:I can not hear him through the static
Carlton Samuels:@JJS: Now that is something I could agree. Sometimes a 'sense of the room' vote could be a very good operational tool
Terri Agnew:@Olivier, we will try calling you back again. bad connection
Mohamed EL Bashir:i have also been dropped and re-connected
Terri Agnew:Mohamed you are back on audio
Mohamed EL Bashir:the quality of conference call is bad
Mohamed EL Bashir:no, they called my phone
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Olivier: in that case, I'm willing to bet that there will never be a vote.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:ok I am back
Alan Greenberg:Humming seems to have been an option
Yasuichi Kitamura (ISOC-JP):better.
Carlton Samuels:@Alan: Hmmmmmmm, humming eh?
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Olivier, I've put down my hand.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:The interpreter sounds very far away. Very faint
Alberto Soto:I subscribed to all those mailing lists. I participate if I am available according to the schedules of the respective meetings.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Alberto;
Avri Doria:i will be particpating in the IETF WG
Avri Doria:yep, i am on all the list just about
Avri Doria:i am not on Arin's at this point. I am on Ripes. i can find out about Arin
Alberto Soto:Yes I
Alberto Soto:Yes I´
judith Hellerstein:Sorry I am over subscribed at the moment
Avri Doria:i am on the rip list.
Avri Doria:ripe list
Fatima Cambronero:we can ask in our mailing list for volunteers to other lists
silvia.vivanco@icann.org:@ Alberto see: RIR ListsAFRINIC IANA Oversight Mailing ListAPNIC IANA Oversight Mailing List?ARIN IANA Oversight Mailing List?LACNIC IANA Oversight Mailing ListRIPE IANA Oversight Mailing List?
silvia.vivanco@icann.org:Under point 4 of the Agenda
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Agenda is on: https://community.icann.org/x/VgDxAg
Fatima Cambronero:@JJ I will send to you and Mohamed a summary from LACNIC when the list has updates
Alberto Soto:Ok, I'm already enrolled in Transition IANA ICANN Mailing List
Fatima Cambronero:Doodle please
silvia.vivanco@icann.org:Action Items will be circulated shortly after this call
Tijani BEN JEMAA:I agree with this slot
Yasuichi Kitamura (ISOC-JP):APNIC has just started the new mailing list about this topic.
Gordon Chillcott:I would recommend a doodle poll
judith Hellerstein:doodle is always great
Gisella Gruber:I will send a Doodle now for Wed and Thurs next week
judith Hellerstein:bye all
Fatima Cambronero:thanks @Gisella
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:Thank you all!
Alberto Soto:Bye all! Thanks!
Heidi Ullrich:Bye, All!
Mohamed EL Bashir:Thanks, greetings to all .. Bye
Fatima Cambronero:thanks to all. Bye
silvia.vivanco@icann.org:Thank you bye
Yasuichi Kitamura (ISOC-JP):bye
