08:55:27 From Gulten Tepe Oksuzoglu to Everyone:
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08:57:57 From Vladimir Kiryanenko (GAC Belarus) to Everyone:
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09:06:51 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
+1 Jonathan on observation about 2012 round
09:08:22 From Paul Hjul to Everyone:
The 2012 round was an opportunity for millionaires to play with money, while the super-billionaires were looking to blow their money on space
09:13:47 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
Is that multiplied amount eligible to be the "second highest price"?
09:13:50 From Paul Hjul to Everyone:
<question> What is the motivation for prohibiting joint ventures? Further is the prohibition only applicable where a JV arises as a consequence of a "private contention resolution" </question> I am in the room and can ask in person, but it might be simpler to get an answer worked in.
09:13:51 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
The Bid Credit / Multiplier is on the agenda of the parallel SubPro IRT session that's on right now.
09:15:13 From Paul Hjul to Everyone:
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09:15:38 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
https://www.icann.org/en/board-activities-and-meetings/materials/approved-resolutions-regular-meeting-of-the-icann-board-08-06-2024-en#section2.d
09:17:53 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
Please do some arithmetic for bid multiplier for this scenario for the sake of future new applicants. Someone who applies for support for a 150K fee, if at all that new applicants manages another 50k, for auctions , what kind of bid multiplierwould make sense to match a powerful opponent who bids for 500M?
09:19:15 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
Bid multiplier wouldbe an optical illusion of fairnessin some cases
09:20:06 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
@Sivasubramanian M a bid multiplier doesn’t solve the problem. It’s simply the best idea we’ve heard.
09:20:08 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
Wouldn't make sense where the bidders atent of the same class
09:20:34 From Gulten Tepe Oksuzoglu to Everyone:
You may find the slides published on GAC website at; https://gac.icann.org/sessions/icann80-session-9-gac-meeting-with-the-alac
09:20:45 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@jonathan, true in a sense, but these are the nuances
09:23:57 From Paul Hjul to Everyone:
The trouble I am seeing is that this really does serve as a competition analysis and seeking to prevent collusion. I am not sure to what extent ICANN should assume responsibility for dealing with collusion - which can be concealed until well after the auction is concluded.
09:28:03 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
JVs set up BEFORE application window open are acceptable
09:28:40 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
And there may be limitations to whether the Registry can transfer/sell the TLD after the fact
09:28:56 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
Can be two or more
09:30:39 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
JV provision could be gamed by very large players to subttly coerce and swallow up smaller applicants.
09:31:05 From Marius Andriamparany (NIC-MG) to Everyone:
Has private auctions reached an alarming threshold that this has become a concern of the GAC and ALAC?
09:31:56 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
@Marius Andriamparany (NIC-MG) It was a real embarrassment in the 2012 round and made the gTLD program seem inaccessible to the types of applicants that the GAC and ALAC would like to see.
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09:33:48 From Nigel Hickson GAC to Everyone:
Indeed, Marius GAC has a public policy responsibility; which we take seriousely.
09:34:09 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
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There are no "official" data as ICANN did not / could not track these. There is anecdotal data that grounds such concerns. The issue is that before it occurred in the last round, potential applicants in the Next Round could take a shot at benefitting financial without a real commitment to operating a TLD.
09:36:31 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
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*that because it occurred
09:37:29 From Martina Barbero - European Commission to Everyone:
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09:37:36 From Marius Andriamparany (NIC-MG) to Everyone:
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It is important in this case to feel concerned. Strong presumption of speculation in perspective
09:37:50 From Joanna Kulesza [ALAC Liaison to GAC] to Everyone:
COMMENT<It might be useful to go back to the idea of join capacity building sessions to raise awareness among members from both communities on the procedures and significance of issues discussed in this session, intersesionally. Kristina and myself would be eager to support this. >
09:38:39 From Paul Hjul to Everyone:
I am not sure that it is a threshold issue as much as a perception issue. The 2012 auction arguably brought ICANN and the system into some disrepute. This needs to be avoided.
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And probably acted as a disincentive for some applicants
09:43:02 From Ana Maldonado Cid (GAC-ES) to Everyone:
+ 1 Nigel UK
09:43:43 From Joanna Kulesza [ALAC Liaison to GAC] to Everyone:
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Ensuring transparency through effective outreach and building capacity among community members and beyond would be a good way to pursue this aim. Keeping these procedures clandestine among insiders risks repeating the 2012 scenario.
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09:46:39 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
In the 2012 round, it seemed possible for actors to copy strings applied for, somehow
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09:47:01 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone:
Where has first-come-first served been proposed. I do not recall it.
09:47:51 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
Not all the contended strings were in contention by accident
09:48:42 From Joanna Kulesza [ALAC Liaison to GAC] to Everyone:
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Agreed, we need to make sure any such attempt does not evolve into a PR exercise. Both our constituencies have reach human resources and skillsets to ensure proper methodology behind any such exercise.
09:48:49 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
On top of all these possibilities, there was a security breach that ICANN glossed over
09:49:35 From Mary Uduma to Everyone:
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09:52:11 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
<OBSERVATION> In my humble opinion, a strategy for processing applications taking into account the "collusion" is elusive. FCFS is a simple approach for avoiding contention and over a spell of time a smooth start and progress will even out. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
10:01:37 From Greg Shatan (NARALO Chair) to Everyone:
Is the Board considering FCFS?
10:02:24 From Joanna Kulesza [ALAC Liaison to GAC] to Everyone:
COMMENT <+1 Bill, an effective and targeted awareness raising campaign is crucial. >
10:03:00 From Paul Hjul to Everyone:
I am not sure why it would need to be diplomatically worded
10:03:27 From Ashley Roberts to Everyone:
Is it just me or are there two conversations going on here: FCFS for the ASP and FCFS for TLD applications? Seems like the two are being confused. As far as I'm aware there is no suggestion TLD applications will be on a FCFS basis.
10:04:05 From nigel.cassimire@ctu.int to Everyone:
+1 Ashley
10:04:30 From Thiago Dal-Toe (GAC-Colombia) to Everyone:
<question> Just for the sake of clarity, if we were to seek a change in the “first come first serve basis”, where would that take place? Is it a change in the Guidebook? And if so, are we still in time for such change?
10:05:17 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
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There is NO policy to allow First Come First Served
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10:05:36 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
SUGGESTION: In a given window of time, all applications are deemed equal and all straightforward cases are done first. But still, I like the concern on the usage of "imperfect" in place of "elusive" for a strategy to decide on the remaining. - Dr. T V Gopal, Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
10:05:43 From Greg Shatan (NARALO Chair) to Everyone:
I meant to say that "you don't blow up things in favor of a terrible idea."
10:06:00 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
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Why are we talking about it? I’m very confused
10:06:20 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
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The current policy is for rounds, the extension of that is consecutive rounds with no or brief gaps.
10:06:24 From Nigel Hickson GAC to Everyone:
Yes , I was specifically talking about "Applicant Support Programme" not the wider application round
10:07:40 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
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Ah, for the money
10:07:42 From Greg Shatan (NARALO Chair) to Everyone:
OBSERVATION: A change to FCFS would probably require reopening the Subsequent Procedures Working Group, which is beyond unlikely and would probably add 2-3 years to the process (or maybe less, because I'm confident the SubProWG would reject the idea).
10:08:06 From Paul Hjul to Everyone:
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10:08:18 From Joanna Kulesza [ALAC Liaison to GAC] to Everyone:
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More clarity on these issues is obviously needed. :)
10:08:19 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
Thank you. I am leaving now. Thank you for the clarifications. - Dr. T V Gopal. Anna University, Chennai, INDIA
10:09:10 From Gopal Tadepalli to Everyone:
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@Jonathan Zuck Thank You. Still the FSFS for money....
10:09:35 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Очень хорошо
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10:11:15 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
@Natalia Filina that question was asked yesterday at the At-Large session. I believe.
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10:11:38 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
It was. SNC went over the criteria that were used.
10:11:53 From Thiago Dal-Toe (GAC-Colombia) to Everyone:
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Yes Nigel, my question was on that line as well…
10:12:21 From Rosalind KennyBirch to Everyone:
https://gac.icann.org/working-group/gac-working-group-on-underserved-regions-usrwg#:~:text=GAC%20USRWG%20Terms%20of%20Reference&text=The%20focus%20of%20the%20working,and%20Pacific%20(ACP)%20regions.
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10:12:43 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
+1 Nigel, I believe you were misunderstood
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10:14:11 From Russell Woruba (GAC PNG) to Everyone:
Under Served Regions: “The focus of the working group will be on regions under-served by the DNS industry, and on least developed economies and small island developing states.[1] A particular focus will be on under-served economies/countries from the Africa, Caribbean, and Pacific (ACP) regions.[2]”
10:14:14 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
We often speak of underserved communities, instead of regions
10:16:00 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
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Agree. Because there are underserved communities everywhere, even in first world countries.
10:16:21 From Greg Shatan (NARALO Chair) to Everyone:
FCFS for ASP would go against the reasons for ASP: diversity, inclusion, helping those potential applicants who need more support.
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10:16:41 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Good point, @Mohamed El Moctar’s iPhone ! It’s easy to be glib about this and we need to avoid that.
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10:18:20 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong to Everyone:
Thanks so much
Une session impeccable
10:18:21 From Joanna Kulesza [ALAC Liaison to GAC] to Everyone:
Great session, thanks all!
10:18:21 From Ana Maldonado Cid (GAC-ES) to Everyone:
Thank you very much!!
10:18:24 From Dave Kissoondoyal - ICANN AFRALO to Everyone:
Thanks and bye to all
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10:18:52 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
WE should have an intersessional session
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or sessionS
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