Zoom Chat: 2020-07-06 ALS Mobilization WP Call

10:42:56 From Claudia Ruiz : Welcome to the ALS Mobilization Working Party Call
11:00:54 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Hi Alan
11:02:49 From Heidi Ullrich : His will be taken at: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/Action+Item%3A+2020-07-06+ALS+Mobilization+WP+Call
11:03:35 From Herb Waye : Greetings everyone great to see your names and hear your voices
11:04:50 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : Hello all, my apologise for the late joining
11:05:25 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Did not know about *9 handy ;=)
11:07:27 From Jacqueline Morris : IN that case, replace "wiki" with something more generic...
11:08:05 From Justine Chew : Who is "At-Large leadership"?
11:10:09 From Justine Chew : ALT Plus?
11:10:42 From Heidi Ullrich : At-Large Leadership Team: https://community.icann.org/display/AG/At-Large+Governance+Home?preview=/99485094/124846963/imgpsh_fullsize_anim.png
11:10:47 From Maureen Hilyard : I agree with Alan
11:11:36 From Justine Chew : At-Large Leadership Team?
11:17:07 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Can we scroll the Doc please
11:17:24 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Thx
11:18:45 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : :-)
11:18:50 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : -))))) People say)
11:20:22 From Heidi Ullrich : That is my understanding, too, Alan.
11:22:14 From David Mackey : Yes, sounds good Alan
11:22:19 From Sarah Kiden : Yes
11:24:08 From Jacqueline Morris : Should the exceptional case have a process to trigger it, like approval from the ALAC?
11:24:43 From Jacqueline Morris : Or the ExCom, or someone?
11:28:36 From Nadira AL Araj : Good to meet you Jacqueline
11:28:38 From David Mackey : *applause*
11:29:38 From Jacqueline Morris : Thanks David
11:29:52 From Jacqueline Morris : Good to meet you too, Nadir
11:29:56 From Jacqueline Morris : Nadira
11:30:19 From Roberto : Never heard of
11:30:32 From Nadira AL Araj : But it might happen
11:30:50 From Nadira AL Araj : Because they might not wanted to keep a record
11:31:27 From Justine Chew : certification? you mean accreditation right?
11:31:57 From Jacqueline Morris : Exactly. Coercion is a thing.
11:32:07 From Nadira AL Araj : @Justine, not certification yet
11:33:05 From Sarah Kiden : Yes, definitely with the applicant
11:33:08 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : @Justone the term os indeed accreditation
11:33:24 From Justine Chew : Thanks Cheryl.
11:34:47 From Heidi Ullrich : Staff would work with the Chair
11:37:32 From Raymond Mamattah (Ghana) : With regards to de-accreditation item 2, I think we are leaving room for abuse, if we do not clearly define that. It that portion says ....."other issues may be considered".... what if say the RALO leaders have issues with the ALS Rep and wants to settle a score? I strongly believe we should define that process very well.
11:37:50 From Sarah Kiden : +1 Jacqueline
11:39:14 From Sarah Kiden : Oh, I thought they would be asked to withdraw because there are some issues with the application
11:40:57 From Sarah Kiden : Agree with Cheryl
11:41:02 From Jacqueline Morris : +1 Cheryl
11:41:08 From David Mackey : +1 Cheryl
11:41:17 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : + 1 too
11:41:23 From Judith Hellerstein : for de accreditation what we have done is to clearly document all emails sent to the ALS and all their responses in the wiki to show we have made every effort to reach out to them
11:42:06 From Nadira AL Araj : +1 Cheryl
11:42:48 From Heidi Ullrich : I recall that process, Cheryl.
11:43:31 From Nadira AL Araj : Why not RALO chair
11:44:05 From David Mackey : @Nadira, ALAC Chair avoids regional politics
11:44:13 From Sarah Kiden : @Nadira, if we go by the issues that Jacqueline talked about, I think it’s tricky for the RALO Chair to comment
11:44:34 From Heidi Ullrich : @Nadiro, as Cheryl noted, it is the ALAC that accredits ALSes.
11:45:09 From Nadira AL Araj : What I'm thinking the withdrawal happens at any stage of the process.
11:45:21 From Maureen Hilyard : In APRALO we have had to have further discussions with some applicants where we have asked if they believe an ALS application is appropriate. But the discussions between the Leadership team and the applicant have been important to clarify both sides of the application issue. We had a major issue with one ALS but as a RALO leadership team we could see the advantage of their situation that others had difficulty accepting, including some in the ALAC, to get them accredited. And there was LOTS of discussion before they actually were accredited.
11:45:25 From Nadira AL Araj : It can happen before getting to the ALAC
11:46:32 From David Mackey : @Nadira, I don’t think this process prevents the RALO Chair from having discussions with the applicant ALS
11:46:34 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : I think that a high level yet documented process still fixws rhat JM
11:47:22 From Jacqueline Morris : So that they applicant knows that they can contact the ALaC Chair and inform them.
11:47:49 From Jacqueline Morris : OK
11:48:03 From David Mackey : noise is from the bridge
11:49:43 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Opportunity to withdraw
11:50:13 From Justine Chew : ALAC Chair or delegate
11:50:59 From Judith Hellerstein : yes. i agree with Cheryl on that wording
11:51:19 From Yrjo Lansipuro : De-accreditation, 1. Para, second sentence: “…ensure that the request is voluntary on behalf of the ALAC (??) and may request that a formal vote of the ALAC (??) be required.” I think this sentence should refer to ALS, not to ALAC
11:52:12 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : ALAC has anly ever used Accredited
11:52:27 From Jacqueline Morris : Accreditation is the correct term.
11:52:28 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : an Accredited At-Large Structre
11:52:30 From Roberto : +1 accreditation
11:52:36 From Maureen Hilyard : +1
11:52:40 From Jacqueline Morris : Yes, Cheryl
11:52:45 From Judith Hellerstein : I had originally like the term dis accreditation instead of de-accreditation but Alan suggested we use disacreditation
11:52:50 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : Accreditation, yes
11:53:11 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : de or Dis We have used De-accreditation so far
11:53:14 From Nadira AL Araj : Thanks Alan for explaining the difference between accreditation and certification
11:53:48 From Maureen Hilyard : ALSes are usually "deregistered"
11:54:05 From Maureen Hilyard : I have
11:54:21 From Jacqueline Morris : It should be disaccredit
11:54:28 From Roberto : “lose the accreditation”?
11:54:40 From Maureen Hilyard : +1 Roberto..
11:54:42 From Roberto : No longer accredited?
11:54:54 From Judith Hellerstein : @jackie that is what I thought and was arguing for
11:54:54 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : +1 Roberto, like it
11:55:20 From Nadira AL Araj : +1 Roberto for No longer accredited? for simplicity
11:55:35 From Jacqueline Morris : Deaccredit isn't in the dictionary
11:55:48 From Eduardo Diaz : deacreditation
11:55:53 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong : decertification
11:55:55 From Roberto : The action is “to lose accreditation”
11:56:18 From Maureen Hilyard : +1 Roberto, again
11:56:38 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Buy for now
11:56:39 From Sarah Kiden : Thank you all! Bye
11:56:43 From Maureen Hilyard : Thanks Alan Bye all
11:56:44 From David Mackey : websters dictionary: disaccredit - : to deprive of accreditation
11:56:46 From Ali AlMeshal : bye all
11:56:47 From David Mackey : bye all
11:56:47 From Jacqueline Morris : Disaccrite is to take away the accreditations
11:56:49 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong : thanks bye
11:56:51 From Roberto : Bye
11:56:53 From Herb Waye : I will dis/de/connect now :-)
11:56:53 From Filina Natalia (EURALO Secretary) : Thank you, bye!!!
11:56:55 From Bastiaan Goslings : thanks all