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15:36:38 From Yesim Nazlar : Welcome to At-Large Consolidated Policy Working Group Call taking place on Wednesday, 05 February 2020 at 13:00 UTC.
15:37:15 From Yesim Nazlar : Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/LQ_JBw
15:47:56 From Vrikson Acosta : Hello everyone
15:55:36 From Priyatosh Jana : Hello everyone
15:56:25 From Evin Erdoğdu : Hello all, welcome.
15:56:34 From Yesim Nazlar : RTT: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
15:59:18 From Hadia Elminiawi : Hello all - I am getting the call from the airport
16:02:50 From Kristina Hakobyan : hello, everyone)
16:03:17 From Internet Society of Puerto Rico : Hello to all!
16:03:46 From Alfredo Calderon : Saludos a todos.
16:03:48 From Alberto Soto : Hi ISOC PR!!
16:03:59 From Alfredo Calderon : Saludos @Alberto.
16:04:12 From Yesim Nazlar : RTT Link: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
16:05:00 From Alfredo Calderon : Yes! It is a great feature...
16:06:22 From Alan Greenberg : Given the 3-hour EPDP meeting tomorrow, I don't think our vacation is over yet.
16:08:43 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : @Alan - all I can say is enjoy the call! :-)
16:09:04 From Alfredo Calderon : Lost audio
16:09:28 From Greg Shatan : Dropped after “governmental entities”
16:10:10 From Yesim Nazlar : @Hadia - the operator is dialing out to you
16:11:22 From Greg Shatan : Frank Zappa once sang about a character called the “Central Scrutinizer”...
16:12:11 From Lutz Donnerhacke : Sorry, I'm late. Our state just committed political suicide.
16:12:36 From Greg Shatan : !!!
16:15:13 From Amrita Choudhury : Hi All, apologies for being late
16:15:36 From Ines Hfaiedh : Hi everyone apologies for joigning late
16:23:08 From Hadia Elminiawi : we are still waiting for legal guidance in relation to the roles and liabilities
16:24:43 From Lutz Donnerhacke : European Data Protection Officers tend to see ICANN as the sole responsible operator in terms of GDPR. You may continue to ignore this at you own risk.
16:25:21 From Alberto Soto : Thanks Hadia and Alan!
16:25:41 From Lutz Donnerhacke : As Alan said: They made the rule. Period
16:25:46 From Hadia Elminiawi : @Olivier yes
16:29:40 From Hadia Elminiawi : @Lutz still the liabilities and roles are subject to guidance from legal and EDPB
16:30:09 From Jonathan Zuck : Machine learning…
16:31:01 From Hadia Elminiawi : we don't think that at this point machine learning could be effectively implemented
16:31:09 From Hadia Elminiawi : effectively deployed
16:31:56 From Hadia Elminiawi : we were told the 15 of feb
16:32:18 From Hadia Elminiawi : thank you
16:32:39 From Jonathan Zuck : Sit right back and you’ll hear a tale, a tale of a fateful call…
16:32:40 From Hadia Elminiawi : yes we hear you
16:37:58 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : apologies for coming late
16:39:09 From Greg Shatan : Please mute if you are not Justine.
16:53:47 From Jonathan Zuck : And often they are added to placate the GAC for example. That’s the problem
17:06:17 From sergio salinas porto LACRALO : Im dropped! :-(
17:07:11 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : agree for ALAC position because there are At-large participants on this working group as well
17:09:32 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : Thanks Alan, your reasoning is sound
17:10:48 From Alfredo Calderon : @Glenn, based on your perception I agree with your position. Why cann’t and independent panel within ICANN Org be responsible for the Auction Proceeds. The panel could be formed with representatives from different constituencies / communities.
17:12:37 From Alfredo Calderon : @Sebastien, agree is has to be a consensus and not majority comment.
17:14:53 From Sebastien Bachollet : @Justine - we try to put comments both in small group Google Doc and in the public ones. But were not taken into account :(
17:15:14 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : Alan position never changed his position and we discussed option A and there was majority from ALAC and at-large participants
17:16:49 From Greg Shatan : It seems to me that it is ultimately up to this CPWG and not any of the drafters to author this comment. Perhaps we need a neutral editor now.
17:17:27 From Eduardo Diaz : @Greg: Can you help here?
17:17:52 From Greg Shatan : I am happy to help.
17:18:02 From Sebastien Bachollet : @Greg agree
17:18:45 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : My personal comment: I agree with Sébastien & Option A --- bearing in mind that Option B might put the decision process into the hands of an external foundation that does not have any accountability process in place for the community
17:19:25 From Sebastien Bachollet : @Greg and specially when participants to the process are not in agreement
17:19:28 From Greg Shatan : This needs to be handed up to the ALAC from this CPWG.
17:19:30 From Satish Babu : Agree on A, but we really need a stronger consensus within ALAC.
17:19:54 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : +1 Satish
17:20:00 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : can we sense the mood of this group
17:20:01 From Justine Chew : Even with a neutral editor, it looks like it may not be a consensus for either option. So it looks like we may have to consider a balanced statement.
17:20:03 From Jonathan Zuck : perhaps a single purpose call for ALAC on this topic
17:20:26 From Hadia Elminiawi : +1 Johnathan
17:21:56 From Jonathan Zuck : I’m no fan of a “balanced” statement. We’ve added no value to the wg by being balanced
17:22:38 From Justine Chew : @JZ, agree but I suspect you won't get consensus on ALAC.
17:22:48 From Greg Shatan : Balanced is not necessarily useless. I’m thinking of some ways to deal with this and produce a useful comment.
17:23:02 From Greg Shatan : I would not wast my time by creating a value-less comment.
17:23:12 From Greg Shatan : wast = waste
17:24:14 From Jonathan Zuck : I think the ALAC NEEDS to simply make a decision on this otherwise, there’s no point in commenting. I’m a huge fan of Greg but I question the value of a balanced comment
17:24:21 From Greg Shatan : Just let me know directly by email and Skype if you want me to try to fix this.
17:25:12 From Jonathan Zuck : Will do @Greg. If you have some concepts to share, please send them along before you get too deep into a draft
17:26:26 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : Just to let you know - we are looking at extending today's call due to the extensive discussions we have had so far
17:32:20 From Lutz Donnerhacke : I've to leave ... Thank you for the update
17:35:13 From Holly Raiche : I have to leave - will catch up with the transcript
17:35:40 From Greg Shatan : I attribute no motive to the ASO. Perhaps naïveté...
17:37:02 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : Having spoken to members of ASO, they have expressed downplaying their request to "all we want is some transparency" -- but the request does not really read like this...
17:37:36 From Justine Chew : Then should we even "bring it up again"?
17:38:43 From Greg Shatan : @Olivier, I can understand why ASO would want to walk this back, but exercising a Decisional Participant right should really be used with more care.
17:39:24 From Greg Shatan : There are a lot of people running around, trying to set other people’s hair on fire with regard to the PIR sale.
17:39:31 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : am I unmuted now?
17:39:36 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond : STOP
17:39:37 From Greg Shatan : It looks like ASO got scorched.
17:39:52 From Joanna Kulesza : still can't hear you ocl
17:39:57 From Greg Shatan : Marcel Marceau Crepin-Leblond
17:40:29 From Greg Shatan : Triple muting
17:40:59 From Greg Shatan : Zoom calls discriminate against mimes.
17:41:21 From Eduardo Diaz : Need to move to another call
17:42:23 From Alfredo Calderon : Apologies. Have to leave for another engagement.
17:42:27 From Alfredo Calderon : Bye to all.
17:44:34 From Nadira AL-ARAJ : thank you all for good discussions and updates
17:44:47 From Jonathan Zuck : Thanks Even. Looks great!
17:44:56 From Evin Erdoğdu : Noted, good idea
17:45:05 From Kerry Kerr : Good idea
17:45:36 From Bukola Oronti : bye all
17:45:38 From Priyatosh Jana : Thank you all...bye bye
17:45:39 From Rudi Daniel : thank you all for the excellent updates.
17:45:42 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : Good for the summary. Something for the CPWG to consider - maybe we need two calls a week? Its hard to stay on for 90 minutes - then again, we may simply go over both calls
17:45:50 From Alberto Soto : Thanks, bye bye!
17:45:53 From Hadia Elminiawi : Thank you all bye for now
17:45:54 From Amrita Choudhury : Thank you for all the updates
17:45:56 From Gordon Chillcott : Thanks and bye for now
17:45:56 From Satish Babu : Thanks and bye...!
17:46:00 From Evin Erdoğdu : Welcome Jonathan and thanks all!
17:46:00 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh : Thanks all
17:46:11 From sylvia herlein : tks to all
17:46:16 From Greg Shatan : Thanks all and bye.
17:46:35 From Greg Shatan : I will circulate note on ASO request ASAP
17:47:05 From Kerry Kerr : bye