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Terri Agnew:Welcome to the At-Large Ad-hoc WG on the Transition of US Government Stewardship of the IANA Function on Wednesday, 12 November 2014 at 16:00 UTC
Terri Agnew:meeting page: https://community.icann.org/x/AjPxAg
Fatima Cambronero:hello everyone
Eduardo Diaz:¡Hola a todos!
Terri Agnew:Welcome Fatima
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:trying to connect microphone via Bluetooth
Fatima Cambronero:thanks Terri!
Alan Greenberg:The more technology you use, the more opportunities to balme it when things don't work...
Alan Greenberg:I am in cynical mode today.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO)::-)
Terri Agnew:@Cheryl, dialing back out to you
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO)::-)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):I am still on
Glenn McKnight:Hi all
Alberto Soto:Hi all!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):no I was not it just seemed like I was
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):back
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:ok
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):dropped again
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):back
Fatima Cambronero:I think there was a comment from LACRALO to the Charter
Alan Greenberg:Yijani fading
Alan Greenberg:Tijani
Terri Agnew:Janvier Ngnoulaye has joined
Janvier Ngnoulaye (ISOC Cameroon):Hi to All
Terri Agnew:@Tijani, its difficult to hear you
Terri Agnew:Final Version of Enhancing ICANN Accountability CWG Charter: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/iana-issues/2014-November/000807.html
Alberto Soto:" Add to any criteria under consideration an impact analysis on the efficiency, efficacy and costs related to substantives processes that ICANN shall be transparent and accountable to its community"
Alberto Soto:No problem Tijani!!
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:https://community.icann.org/display/alacpolicydev/At-Large+Cross+Community+Working+Group+%28CCWG%29+Charter+Workspace
Alberto Soto:OK Olivier, thanks
Fatima Cambronero:Thanks @Tijani & @Leon!
Janvier Ngnoulaye (ISOC Cameroon):AOB : I read that "Yesterday Obama has transfered the internet jurisdiction from NTIA to FCC", so what can be the impact of this on the transition process ?
Fatima Cambronero:ok, understood. Thanks @Alan
Terri Agnew:At-Large Ad-hoc WG on the Transition of US Government Stewardship of the IANA Function: https://community.icann.org/x/OYThAg
Terri Agnew:@Jean Jacques we are unable to hear you
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:hello, not muted, but something else ?
Terri Agnew:please let us know if you prefer us to dial out to you
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):garbled
Terri Agnew:@Seun, we are unable to hear you
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:Olivier & All: my report is very brief. Only point currently under discussion is the choice of a Secretariat. A decision should be announced within a few days now.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Jean Jacques -- thank you. I shall read this to the record
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:But I can hear the whole discussion very clearly. I'm asking Terri if there's anything that can be done on Staff side.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Thanks Jean-Jacques - do let me know about the tech being fixed - otherwise I'll read your point to the record
Janvier Ngnoulaye (ISOC Cameroon):The development of a proposal from the AFRINIC region is in progress. The Survey on the IANA Stewardship Transition has been launch yesterday to collect the input of the community.
Terri Agnew:We are dialing back out to Seun to get a better line
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:Thanks Olivier for reading my report into the record. I'm continuing to listen in.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yes things are progressing in. Numbers world, but we are seeing work on the foundation doc I referred to
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:Jean-Jacques Subrenat: @Olivier: yes, closed meeting.Jean-Jacques Subrenat: @Alan, I don't think so...
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):it is not a/start from scratch exercise
Terri Agnew:Seun has rejoined audio
Terri Agnew:CWG to Develop an IANA Stewardship Transition Proposal on Naming Related Functions: https://community.icann.org/x/37fhAg
Terri Agnew:IANA CWG Meeting #5 (4 November) : https://community.icann.org/x/DizxAg
Terri Agnew:IANA CWG Meeting #6 (13 November): https://community.icann.org/x/zi3xAg
Fatima Cambronero:Proposed Agenda for Thursday call 1. Welcome & Roll Call2. Notes from last meeting, review of action items and project plan3. Status on work – subgroups -- Subgroup 1, 2A, 2B -- Subgroup 2C -- Subgroup 34. Update on F2F meeting agenda 5. Any other business6. Summary of action items and agreed items
Fatima Cambronero:proposed agenda for the call on Thursday 13 November (14:00-16:00 UTC):
Seun:Hi all...apologies for coming in late
Seun:can my audio be redailed please
Terri Agnew:Current Drafts of documents being developed: https://community.icann.org/x/UQ3xAg
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):surely #3 is the most important for us to discuss the others #1 being more foundation al
Seun:I agree with Cheryl
Alan Greenberg:Regarding ICG meeting, the announcement on Nov 5 (and corresponding e-mail) said the call today was open. On the 9th, they changed that, changing the public announcement posted bit did not follow up with an e-mail.
Seun:most especially the strawman options that has just been released and discussed during the rfp3
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yes 1&2 are fact finding and clarity exercises
Fatima Cambronero:sorry I have a comment to RFP 3
Fatima Cambronero:no problem
Terri Agnew:Work Item Sub Groups: https://community.icann.org/x/BSrxAg
Terri Agnew:CWG-RFP3 - Proposed Post-Transition Oversight and Accountability Arrangements: https://community.icann.org/x/ESrxAg
Seun:the audio is breaking at my end (using mobile)
Seun:now i have lost audio
Seun::(
Terri Agnew:@Seun, we will dial back out toy ou
Seun:okay thanks
Glenn McKnight:@ Alan what about Compliance. Inside or Outside ICANN
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):agree totally with @alan here
Eduardo Diaz:Me too
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):to your question @OCL my view tends ATM to SMP2 with some weeks perhaps
Glenn McKnight:Little options outside of ICANN since the other choices are poor
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):weeks = Tweeks
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Eduardo +1.
Tijani BEN JEMAA:@Alan +1, but this will make the accountability issue of most importance
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):SMP2 is a MSM of over site
Gordon Chillcott:@Tijani +1
Glenn McKnight:Outside compliance evaluators?
Eduardo Diaz:@Tijani: agree with you.
Eduardo Diaz:@Fatima: no body had the matrix at the time of the call
Janvier Ngnoulaye (ISOC Cameroon):+1 Fatima
Fatima Cambronero:agree @Olivier
Seun:i start flying on sunday ;)
Fatima Cambronero:I on Monday :(
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:seems my microphone is now enabled...
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Cheryl +1.
Glenn McKnight:Can't hear Seun
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Thanks JJS
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):next version of the matrix will have several typos and errors or updates add es/corrected
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):we need to ensure our wiki files have the most up to date as published and links to the. proposed collaborative doc (s)
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Cheryl: yes this will be updated as soon as Greg Shatan shares the updated copy
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):I hope we will go through ALL the columns soon
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:yes that's coming up next, Cheryl
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:I have concerns on time
Fatima Cambronero::)
Glenn McKnight:Benefits exists to be a separate Non Profit apart from ICANN for legal reasons
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):division or subsidiary in that order for me
Fatima Cambronero:if is a division, how the accountability works?
Gordon Chillcott:Agree with Cheryl here.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):what benefits. @glenn
Glenn McKnight:Limits the charter of an organization to specific deliverables
Glenn McKnight:Limits liability
Eduardo Diaz:@Olivier: And what is your personal opinion on the same question being asked?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):that can happen in Division OR subsidiary IMO AZ well
Fatima Cambronero:+1 on @Seun question
Glenn McKnight:It should be arms' length
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:Division, subsidiary, department... All this will depend MORE ON CALIFORNIA LAW and THE WILL OF THE USG, rather than what we, as community, may prefer...
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):bylaws. and or M&As
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):the SMP 1-3. take that into account @glenn
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):we now heve little time to review the SMPs
Alan Greenberg:A subsiduary woulod be a separate legal entity with its own Board. It *could* share resources. ANd as the owner, ICANN could direct what the subsid does (or replace its Board)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):and that has significant advantage perhaps @alan
Janvier Ngnoulaye (ISOC Cameroon):@Fatima, good questions
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Alan, see my remark above.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):accountability is covered in the SMPs @fatima. slight variation of proposed model(s) is covered in the 3 choices
Fatima Cambronero:thanks @Clo
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Seun: no, we cannot say that, currently, "IANA is distinct from ICANN"...
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):@alan we also need to remember the points made in the last call where the SMPs were discussed about juristiction and international organisations exemptions given by governments
Janvier Ngnoulaye (ISOC Cameroon):So we really need a legal opinion on "Division" and "subsiduary" before taking a decision.
Fatima Cambronero:agree @Janvier
Seun:@JJ so you are saying that IANA functions at the moment is not distinct from ICANN?
Seun:Because i think it seem to be
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:@Alberto, the IANA website states "IANA is responsible for coordinating the Internet’s globally unique identifiers, and is operated by the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)."
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:http://www.iana.org/about
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):ICANN is the current contracted IANA Function Operations
Janvier Ngnoulaye (ISOC Cameroon):In my understanding, IANA is a tech part of the ICANN business
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):THAT currently functions as a Division
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:so IANA is a function of ICANN operating within a division of ICANN
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:yes
Seun:Exactly @Cheryl
Alberto Soto:Thanks @JJ
Seun:This is the way i also understand it
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/49352017/Strawman%20Matrix.docx?api=v2
Gordon Chillcott:Unfortunately, I have a hard disconnect now. Thanks, and bye for now.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):at LAST !!!
Jean-Jacques Subrenat:Sorry, I'll have to sign off in 2 minutes. Best to all!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):that is to the Agenda item not your leaving @gordon :-)
Gordon Chillcott:I understand @Cheryl . . .
Seun:NO
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):this document already modified will be also in a collaborative file Google doçs... we can ALL probably have input yhere
Alan Greenberg:We need an OVERSIGHT MECHANISM that the Board cannot ignore. That *may* require a second body.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):there when released
Eduardo Diaz:No oversigth body
Alan Greenberg:SEE MY COMMENT ABOVE
Seun Ojedeji:I don't see a should
Seun Ojedeji:I mean i don't see a green
Tijani BEN JEMAA:+++1
Fatima Cambronero:agree @Alan Body is different than mechanism
Seun Ojedeji:I agree to mechanism but not a body
Alan Greenberg:XCritical issue is whether a rogue Board can ignore oversight.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):pol needs. 3. maybe
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):thx
Alan Greenberg:Challenge is to craft that where typical corporate law says a Board has ultimate control except when order to do something else by legal authorities (such as a court).
Janvier Ngnoulaye (ISOC Cameroon):Yes to the oversight body. Mechanism should be a tech part of that Body
Fatima Cambronero:@Alan do you mean something different than an appeal mechanism?
Alan Greenberg:An appeal within the organization does not compel board to change position. they might, but not necessarily.
Janvier Ngnoulaye (ISOC Cameroon):for me a Mechanism is a process used by the Oversight Body to act
Fatima Cambronero:yes, understood @Alan
Heidi Ullrich:Please could everyone vote again in the new poll?
Alan Greenberg:Separability of IANA from ICANN, or of oversight from ICANN?
Glenn McKnight:Tried numerous times to vote on the poll but not closing
Eduardo Diaz:@Alan: ICANN by-laws need to change to protect IANA or any oversigth decision.
Alberto Soto:me too @Glenn
Heidi Ullrich:@Glenn, please send OCL through private chat your response
Heidi Ullrich:Alberto. could you please let OCL know via private chat ?
Alan Greenberg:I sense that the answer is a an OVERSIGHT MECHANISM if we can find one that works.. Barring that, we need to look at structural changes.
Alberto Soto:Ok Heidi
Glenn McKnight:@ I sent him a message
Glenn McKnight:Problem with the poll not advancing
Glenn McKnight:The poll isn't clear
Glenn McKnight:Yes Alan's comments make sense
Fatima Cambronero:@Alan, what the structural changes are?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):you could roll up both the oversight mech responses if you like based on Alan's comment
Seun Ojedeji:+1 because i think 3 and 4 actually mean the same thing
Eduardo Diaz:@Seun & CLO: agree.
Alan Greenberg:another for 3
Janvier Ngnoulaye (ISOC Cameroon):@Seun : we can merge 3 & 4, it sound the same
Heidi Ullrich:or a Survey Monkey poll
Seun Ojedeji:Great...! will followup via mail
Janvier Ngnoulaye (ISOC Cameroon):A survey monkey poll open to the At-large community ?
Fatima Cambronero:On Monday I will be flying to Frankfurt @Olivier
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):thanks so much for extending @veronica
Seun Ojedeji:I will be in frankfurt on wed but will fly to Geneva on sunday before heading to frankfurt
Seun Ojedeji:Thanks Olivier
Seun Ojedeji:is the poll going to incoporate the 2 polls set here?
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Seun: we can do that, yes. Thanks
Seun Ojedeji:great...and to add a space for comments will also be great.
Seun Ojedeji:Thanks
Alberto Soto:Thanks, bye bye!
Fatima Cambronero:thank you very much, @Veronica!
Seun Ojedeji:Thanks
Seun Ojedeji:bye
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):bye. thanks all
Eduardo Diaz:Gracias and see you most of you in Frankfurt. I iwill be travelling Monday.
Tijani BEN JEMAA:thank you all
Janvier Ngnoulaye (ISOC Cameroon):thank Cheryl & to All
Seun Ojedeji:see you Eduardo
Janvier Ngnoulaye (ISOC Cameroon):Bye Fatima
Fatima Cambronero:thanks all. Bye
Janvier Ngnoulaye (ISOC Cameroon):Bye to All
Fatima Cambronero:bye Janvier
