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12:56:00 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Hello all, welcome
12:57:12 From Herb Waye Ombuds to Everyone : Happy Birthday Cheryl hugs
12:58:41 From Roberto to Everyone : And who joined just now does not even know the question that makes you laugh…
13:00:21 From Bill Jouris to Everyone : Thank heavens recording isn't on yet!
13:00:50 From Herb Waye Ombuds to Everyone : Hands over ears… lalalala
13:00:56 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : LOOL
13:01:35 From Hadia Elminiawi to Everyone : Hi all
13:01:53 From betty Fausta IRT Team EPDP1 to Everyone : hi everyone
13:03:26 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone : Hello everyone
13:03:43 From Michelle DeSmyter to Everyone : To follow along with the RTT: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
13:03:52 From Herb Waye Ombuds to Everyone : Greetings everyone, hope you are all staying safe and healthy… and warm… from Canada -13C today.
13:07:11 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : Sorry to be late.
13:13:18 From Michelle DeSmyter to Everyone : To follow along with the RTT: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
13:13:22 From Greg Shatan to Everyone : total safety is an unrealistic goal....
13:14:26 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : It is in my view as well @Greg
13:17:17 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : It is not only unrealistic, it is not needed.
13:22:26 From Michelle DeSmyter to Everyone : To follow along with the RTT: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net]
13:23:43 From Hadia Elminiawi to Everyone : +1 Alan anonymized is permanently irreversible
13:25:47 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone : Great explanation thank you Alan
13:26:34 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : @Alan # when constituents agree on something, the resultant design must eliminate room for gaming.
13:28:01 From Hadia Elminiawi to Everyone : sorry I was disconnected but I am back again
13:28:30 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : There can be various methods of anonymizing data. One model is that of masking, with ample safeguards not to unmask an anonymized address unless a given and preagreed set of conditions are grossly violated.
13:28:45 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : Masking is reversible.
13:29:17 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : And it wouldn't require an extraordinary amount of excess computing power.
13:29:35 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : The domain name *IS* personal data, but its publication is justified.
13:29:49 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone : lost Hadia
13:30:37 From Hadia Elminiawi to Everyone : sorry I was disconnected again
13:32:10 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone : @Hadia seems that it's a zooom bug I ve got the same problem with zoom in centos
13:32:34 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : It is of any interest, I sent an email to w3c a very long time ago with minimal technical understanding on a model for masking. It is a plain text message
13:32:37 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2006Nov/0095.html
13:32:37 From Michelle DeSmyter to Everyone : @Hadia & Chokri - if you are needing a dial out, we can dial out to you as well :)
13:32:44 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : may be useful in this context
13:33:18 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone : No for me is ok thank you @michelle
13:33:22 From Hadia Elminiawi to Everyone : I am back
13:35:49 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone : The famous Anonymous Remailer case -- many many years ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penet_remailer
13:36:48 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone : sorry @Hadia we have had to move on
13:37:04 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : The GNSO Council Meets at 1200 UTC today
13:38:18 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : NOTE the Council itself is also discussing times/dates that may not match what is presented here or proposed by Jeff and I/LT and it is totally up to their discretion at this stage... But we have made proposal to them
13:39:29 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : BTW the opportunity to challenge what Jeff and I assign as the LEVEL of Consensus does not mean it changes
13:39:44 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Thank you Justine, noted
13:40:20 From Roberto to Everyone : @CLO I assume that your “today” is “tomorrow” in some parts of the world, like Europe…
13:40:37 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Also the outcome of the GNSO Council call will be known before tomorrows final for the year SubPro WG call FYUI
13:40:45 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : FYI
13:41:16 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : @Olivier Interesting history.
13:41:47 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : CLO was using UTC times / days
13:46:03 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : That would be wise @Justine ;-)
13:46:08 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : would
13:46:22 From christopher wilkinson to Everyone : @CLO I think leadership should also ’carve out’ Geographical Names.
13:47:03 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : That was discussed and all the Leads from the Geo wt5 argued *against* doing so @CW
13:49:20 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : @Olivier Johan Helsingius could not stand up to blanket demands for summary exposure of the anynymized list, but if, instead of one person, there is a global organization, or a global community responsibly operating something similar to the Penet mailer, general privacy could be assured with exceptional compromises, exceptional unlike what happened to Jeff
13:52:59 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : the IRT is to be made up inclusive of wide community representation
13:53:19 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : AND ALAC Advice to the Board/Org could and should be influential
13:54:02 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : @CLO, I guess the ALAC could try to come up with some objectives to propose but the board shouldn’t be the decision maker, I don’t believe
13:55:10 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : But the Board does instruct the Org on any level of funding to or fee relief for any new gTLD programms
13:57:49 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : and remember our ALAC / At-Large voice *WAS* strongly influential last time in thins like IDN's and even the Applicant Support Program itself (that had last round only $2M (if memory serves) provision made to it …
13:59:02 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : @Cheryl Yes. ALAC is the Voice.
13:59:23 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : *the*
14:02:55 From christopher wilkinson to Everyone : @CPE sometime ago I proposed that the scales of assessment should be increased to 1-5 or 1-10, giving evaluators greater flexibility to address these nuances, including the ‘middle’ cases.
14:04:37 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : Not only that. There must also be room for subjective, unquantified weightage / discount in the process which would otherwise be trying to quantify what is not quantifiable on a scale of 1 to 5 or 10
14:05:46 From Marita Moll to Everyone : If these items make it through the consensus call, it will be a big improvement on what is there now. If it doesn"t, we should keep these items in our minority report/advice to board.
14:05:53 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : A template assessment would only result in success for application good in paperwork, regardless of substance or qualification
14:08:29 From Abdulkarim Oloyede to Everyone : Apologies I have to leave.
14:09:44 From Marita Moll to Everyone : As you say, Justine, we have gone through this in extensive detail and it should continue to stand
14:10:12 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : I’m being called away! I’m recommending that RVCs be a plenary at ICANN 70
14:10:57 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : What are the nuances not easily visible in the insistence of changing PICs to RVCs?
14:11:13 From Roberto to Everyone : +1 @JZ
14:11:20 From christopher wilkinson to Everyone : @Geo Names: my point of view includes aspects which were rejected by Work Track 5, so that I have to reserve the option of making a personal minority report.
14:11:21 From Nadira AL-ARAJ to Everyone : +1 Jonathan
14:12:28 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : of course @CW
14:12:28 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : ... insistence on ...
14:13:12 From Marita Moll to Everyone : good idea @JZ
14:14:47 From Justine Chew to Everyone : @Chris, you have the freedom to express YOUR own point of view as a member of SubPro PDP WG. It is only I (and I also choose to do so) who will be using my membership to relay the positions of ALAC/At-Large.
14:15:03 From Justine Chew to Everyone : @Christopher I mean
14:17:52 From Marita Moll to Everyone : Thanks @Alan. It still amazes me that it is even a possibility there is an enforceability issue in either PICs or RVPs
14:18:00 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : Sure
14:18:45 From Michelle DeSmyter to Everyone : 1 minute time check
14:19:26 From Justine Chew to Everyone : @Siva, because in some cases an applicant may voluntarily offer commitments that it will comply with which do not necessarily touch on public interest
14:19:51 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : The need to be sufficiently clear so that consumer protection agencies can enforce as well
14:19:53 From Marita Moll to Everyone : Why would ICANN.org itself not address this problem?
14:20:16 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : ICANN.org cannot alter Bylaws.
14:20:23 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : There is also another compelling aspect about PICs. PICs are not only made to ICANN, but to the Community, and to the global public. In various ways, the commitments are binding.
14:22:57 From Marita Moll to Everyone : @Alan -- I am clearly still struggling with this whole section (sigh)
14:25:33 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : @ Justine. Are RVCs commitments in addition to, and on top of, PICs, that represent commitments that are not already covered by a Registry's PICs?
14:26:45 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : @Siva, yes. RVCs are often registrant restrictions such as “only real doctors” may apply for this name, etc. Often put in place to placate the GAC, which is why they need to be enforced.
14:27:04 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : RVCs is the new term to notate a Registry Voluntary Commitment that may or may not be classified as "Public Interest" but still needs to be enforceable post delegation @Siva
14:27:48 From Bill Jouris to Everyone : PICs may be commitments to the global public. But will that necessarily result in the Registries actually implementing them? I, for one, wouldn't bet the ranch on it, unless their are legally enforceable penalties for failing to do so.
14:28:10 From Bill Jouris to Everyone : their => there
14:28:11 From Bill Jouris to Everyone : sigh
14:28:41 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : @Bill thus the need to have them contract based
14:28:55 From Bill Jouris to Everyone : @CLO, exactly
14:28:59 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : Thank you Cheryl. But both RVCs and those that are classified as Public Interest need to be enforceable, and must be committed in suitable wording to make it enforceable.
14:29:31 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : that is the intent @Siva
14:30:04 From Michelle DeSmyter to Captioner-Christal Shew(Direct Message) : Hi Christal - are you able to stay over time on today’s meeting? They are definitely going to go over.
14:30:10 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : @Bill When a Registry states the commitments through a formal process known as a PIC process, these become additional clauses in the Regular Registry agreement, and that makes it enforceable.
14:30:19 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : Thank you Cheryl.
14:30:42 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : They are voluntary commitments to make but cease to be voluntary once made
14:31:48 From christopher wilkinson to Everyone : @Closed Generics: the new text in italics could very well be applied to ALL members of the PDP for all policy issues.
14:33:51 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Extension is appreciated OC
14:34:12 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : @OCL
14:37:57 From betty Fausta IRT Team EPDP1 to Everyone : SORRY, i have to go
14:38:04 From betty Fausta IRT Team EPDP1 to Everyone : good endof meeting
14:38:07 From Justine Chew to Everyone : @Michele, can you scroll down to the next slide please.
14:38:14 From betty Fausta IRT Team EPDP1 to Everyone : and bonnes fetes à todos
14:38:33 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : same to you @Betty
14:40:34 From Justine Chew to Everyone : Next slide
14:44:29 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : We want a true Vickrey auction!
14:47:52 From Marita Moll to Everyone : no objections
14:48:20 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone : Thank YOU, Justine!
14:48:34 From Bill Jouris to Everyone : Awesome job, Justine!
14:48:39 From Hadia Elminiawi to Everyone : Thank you Justine and team for this great work
14:48:39 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : Thank you.
14:48:42 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone : Thank you Justine
14:48:43 From Marita Moll to Everyone : We thank YOU, Justine -- unbelievable job!
14:48:45 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone : Thank you so much Justine, for the amazing work you and your small team have done
14:49:12 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone : Thank-you Justine
14:49:32 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone : great job Justine
14:50:17 From Yrjo Lansipuro to Everyone : Thank you, Justine!
14:50:26 From Nadira AL-ARAJ to Everyone : +1 Cheryl
14:50:44 From Hadia Elminiawi to Everyone : +1 CLO
14:50:50 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone : Amen!
14:50:51 From Roberto to Everyone : +1
14:51:19 From Michelle DeSmyter to Everyone : Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/2020-12-16+Consolidated+Policy+Working+Group+Call
14:51:55 From Roberto to Everyone : Have a nice sleep, Justine! Well deserved
14:52:03 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone : +1 OCL !
14:52:07 From Nadira AL-ARAJ to Everyone : 
14:52:45 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Thank you Justine!
14:55:50 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone : today I took a page out of Cheryl’s book and am now finishing up my 8th hour of calls straight with just a 15 minute break
14:58:03 From Hadia Elminiawi to Everyone : 5th of February
14:58:19 From Hadia Elminiawi to Everyone : We have time - yes sure
14:58:51 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone : +1 Alan
14:58:54 From Hadia Elminiawi to Everyone : Happy New year
14:58:54 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Bye for Now then and Seasons Greetings to you all!!! and Be SAFE!!!
14:59:20 From Marita Moll to Everyone : Yes, best wishes to all. Stay safe.
14:59:24 From Nadira AL-ARAJ to Everyone : happy holidays to all
14:59:27 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone : Happy Holidays, All.
14:59:40 From Herb Waye Ombuds to Everyone : Take care everyone, happy holidays… be safe and be kind.
14:59:41 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : Seasons Greetings to all.
14:59:44 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Yes please Jan 6!!!
14:59:53 From Yrjo Lansipuro to Everyone : Happy and safe holidays!
14:59:57 From Justine Chew to Everyone : Holiday? What is that?
15:00:18 From Hadia Elminiawi to Everyone : Happy Holidays all - Merry Christmas to all those celebrating
15:00:21 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone : Thank you.
15:00:28 From Nadira AL-ARAJ to Everyone : respect to Olivier and Jonathan for moderating CPWG
15:00:31 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone : Thanks and bye to all… Happy holidays and be safe
15:00:43 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone : Enjoy, thank you all
15:00:48 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : and that will fit with any SubPro bits as well ;-)
15:01:02 From Hadia Elminiawi to Everyone : Thank you all - it was a pleasure to work with all of you - you are a great team
15:01:19 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : Yes please @Evin!
15:01:25 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone : كل عام و انتم بخير
15:01:55 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone : EXCELLENT effort to the support team of language services Rest well!!
15:01:56 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone : but 2 hours today
15:02:03 From Justine Chew to Everyone : Thank you @Olivier @Jonathan for shepherding the CPWG, Thank you, staff and interpreters.
15:02:18 From Hanan Khatib to Everyone : thank you
15:02:25 From Hadia Elminiawi to Everyone : Thank you staff and interpreters
15:02:35 From Evin Erdogdu to Everyone : Thank you CPWG members for all your work this year! Happy holidays, stay healthy and positive. 
15:02:35 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong to Everyone : Thanks all and bye
15:02:38 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone : Thank you Olivier, Jonathan, Justine, Evin.. just EVERYBODY
15:02:42 From Hadia Elminiawi to Everyone : bye
15:02:44 From Dave Kissoondoyal to Everyone : That’s great..Thanks to the staff, interpreters , technical team and each and all.. Greetings for 2021
15:02:48 From Heidi Ullrich to Everyone : Thank you all. Looking forward to 2021~
15:02:48 From Anne-Marie Joly-Bachollet to Everyone : Thank you for all and happy holidays
15:02:57 From Roberto to Everyone : Bye
15:02:59 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone : Thanks all! Thanks to our wonderful staff