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20:41:16 From Yesim Nazlar : Welcome to CPWG SubPro Single Issue Call on Geographic Names taking place on Tuesday, 25 February 2020 at 18:00 UTC.
20:41:29 From Yesim Nazlar : Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/4xyJBw
20:50:54 From vrikson : Greetings Yesim & Alfredo
20:53:23 From Alfredo Calderon : Hello vrikson and of course to all on the call!
20:54:23 From Evin Erdoğdu : Hello all, welcome.
20:56:26 From Priyatosh Jana : hi everyone
21:02:18 From davekissoondoyal : Hello everyone.. I am here as well
21:02:38 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Hi everyone
21:02:56 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : Hello all
21:03:06 From herb.waye : Hello everyone
21:03:18 From Alfredo Calderon : Saludos a todos/ Hello to all!
21:06:36 From Hadia Elminiawi : hello all
21:10:49 From Alexander Schubert : Hi everybody. My involvement with geographic gTLDs: co-founder of .berlin and founder of five next round public-benefit, non-profit, community owned, funded & governed city gTLDs in the U.S.; among them www.dotTAMPA.org (dotTAMPA, LLC, FL) and www.dotDENVER.org (dotDENVER, LLC, CO).
21:11:02 From Bill Jouris : Only ASCII characters? Not including, for example, Latin characters which are merely variants of ASCII characters? I'm thinking of something like I with Ogonek, which could be combined into something indistinguishable with jp.
21:12:27 From Alexander Schubert : I am talking currently with the mayors of Tampa and StPete (Tampa's neighbor); and they are FURIOUS that their city names could be "taken" by anybody WITHOUT the city government's consent.
21:14:28 From Justine Chew : Slide #4
21:15:38 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : ISO 3166 list https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/#search ; UN "M49 list : https://unstats.un.org/unsd/methodology/m49
21:17:10 From Eduardo Diaz- NARALO : <Q>I did not understand the Capital name vs Non-CApital names. Can you provide an example?
21:18:06 From Justine Chew : @Eduardo, It's Capital City Name vs Non-Capital City Name
21:18:47 From Eduardo Diaz- NARALO : Whatever. I did not understand the terminology or how it will be applied.
21:20:24 From Justine Chew : Basically, Capital City Names are protected while Non-Capital City Names are subject to a 2-limb test in order to qualify for protection.
21:20:37 From Alexander Schubert : Eduardo: Paris is the Capital of France - so you need a letter of non-objection from the Paris mayor to apply for the string ".paris" - even if you don't target the French city.
21:21:06 From Justine Chew : "Protected" means require letter of support / non-objection
21:21:31 From Justine Chew : Slide #4
21:22:41 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : To me, the translation "in any language" of the following country and territories names to ISO 3166 is impractical to implement - I'm disappointed (as a member of WT5) that there wasn't consensus to change this
21:23:40 From Jonathan Zuck : Actually, about 20 cities called SanJose
21:23:43 From Eduardo Diaz- NARALO : So what happens if there are two cities capital which are named the same
21:24:36 From Bill Jouris : San Jose would be a bad choice. Sorry.
21:24:47 From Hadia Elminiawi : Alexandria
21:25:09 From Alfredo Calderon : Paris
21:25:10 From Hadia Elminiawi : Alexandria is an example
21:25:23 From Alan Greenberg : Vancouver, Montreal
21:25:38 From hanan khatib : there us Jordan it is a country and it also a city at USA
21:26:36 From Eduardo Diaz- NARALO : @hanan: but Jordan is part of the 3166-1 standard so is protected
21:27:16 From hanan khatib : good good
21:27:33 From Jonathan Zuck : As a generic
21:28:21 From Justine Chew : @Alex, that is one of the question in our scorecard
21:28:29 From Eduardo Diaz- NARALO : I do not think that we can solve these type of problem here.
21:29:03 From Roberto : Hi - sorry to be late
21:33:52 From Javier Rúa-Jovet : WT5 reflected the fact that there was no consensus possible on several points, except agreements stricken during the 1st round of new gTLDs. There is something to be said about truly reflecting community sentiment.
21:35:35 From Javier Rúa-Jovet : Agree @justine: Not Over Till its Over!!!
21:37:31 From Justine Chew : Please scroll down to show just the 4 columns
21:38:09 From Javier Rúa-Jovet : That is a harsh accusation.
21:39:35 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Do all please note that now PDP 3.0 has been adopted, representation and Membership of any future GNSO PDP will run under those *new* rules
21:40:01 From Javier Rúa-Jovet : thanks @CLO
21:42:24 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : I disagree with the "what else" for number 2
21:43:16 From hanan khatib : I think you can use the data of Google earth.
21:44:41 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : A suggestion that the scorecard needs attempt to be one point per page without splitting across pages - its quite confusing
21:46:10 From Jonathan Zuck : geonames.org lists 11million names. The At-Large have no consensus about what qualifies and there’s also not consensus that governments should be the final arbiters given rebellious or immigrant communities
21:48:22 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Well noted @Dev and much discussed in our WT5 as well, many ideas were floated but if they did not get support or sufficient support to make recommendations as was the case in what Alexander a very active WT5 Member just outlined
21:49:15 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : Yes, the proposal Alexander made was also made in WT5, but even early warning on names, not blocked or protected failed to get consensus
21:50:35 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Curative methods are a known and effective tool
21:50:36 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : And to me, having ICANN trying to upsurp recognitision of country and territory names and "geonames' as to who's the owner of a geoname is impractical
21:50:43 From Justine Chew : Curative protection means by way of filing public comments, objections etc
21:50:44 From Javier Rúa-Jovet : Sorry to all, have to drop off. Keep it up At-Large. Agree that its not over till its over. Thx Justine, Jonathan, Christopher.
21:50:58 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : So for the same reason, no to 3 for the same reasons as for #2\
21:51:12 From Justine Chew : Thanks for your input @Dev
21:52:23 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : an exercise that in some way reflected the WT5 process as well
21:53:17 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : So this is a he said she said exercise
21:53:23 From Jonathan Zuck : What’s the timeframe for finalize the formal feedback on this to subzero?
21:53:57 From Jonathan Zuck : er, subpro
21:54:53 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : or a form of forum shopping for views that did not get carriage in the PDP to "have another go" via ALAC or At-Large Comment... Which is OJ as long as people realise that
21:54:55 From Alexander Schubert : As the WT5 outcome per now: Anyone who wanted could apply for any geographical term based string (e.g. city name) WITHOUT having to provide a "letter of non-objection" (exception: capital names and some ISO 3166 regional names). They simply have to NOT state, that the string will be used in connection with the city. In the end domains are sold by registrars - NOT the registry. And registrars will be allowed to market these domains whichever way they want: no restrictions.
21:55:28 From Jonathan Zuck : @Cheryl, I’m not sure how we reflect the consensus process in WT5. We need to reach our own consensus first and then decide how to evangelize, given the lateness
21:55:39 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : This can only act to have input into any Comment made in the PC for the Final Report
21:56:34 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : I mentioned this as a comment earlier which applies for #5 - To me, the translation "in any language" of the following country and territories names to ISO 3166 is impractical to implement - I'm disappointed (as a member of WT5) that there wasn't consensus to change this
21:57:18 From Evin Erdoğdu : Upcoming Public Comment proceedings: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/upcoming-2012-02-25-en
21:57:58 From Yrjo Lansipuro : If we want to have some impact in the final phase of the game, we need allies, and that mainly means GAC. That’s why the “comparing of score cards” that has now begun with GAC, is pretty important
21:58:16 From Alan Greenberg : Ahh Dev, I think that Klingon translations SHOULD count!
21:59:07 From Evin Erdoğdu : Will do
21:59:16 From Justine Chew : And also understanding of the details and impact
21:59:26 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : andndo also look at the COmments you as ALAC already lodged in the PC's run for WT% Interim Report
21:59:38 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : @Alan - responding in Klingon "practical jIjangnIS 'e' vIHar."
21:59:52 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : which translates to "I don't think its practical"
22:00:07 From Jonathan Zuck : agree
22:00:28 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : From now on it is also gpoing to be a NEW process as well ...worth noting in terms of future issues
22:00:49 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : bye
22:00:54 From Evin Erdoğdu : Thank you all
22:00:57 From Michel TCHONANG : Thank you for the good meeting, congrat for the greet job
22:01:01 From Alexander Schubert : Bye
22:01:04 From herb.waye : have a great day everyone, very interesting call
22:01:06 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : Thanks all - take care
22:01:06 From Hadia Elminiawi : Thank you bye
22:01:08 From vrikson : Bye all
22:01:08 From avri doria : thanks, bye
22:01:14 From Priyatosh Jana : thank you all
22:01:15 From Michel TCHONANG : Bye bye
22:01:20 From hanan khatib : thank you all Justine very good work