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11:57:14 From Heidi Ullrich : Welcome, All!
11:59:38 From ali almeshal : good day to all
12:01:30 From ali almeshal : 4 from APRALO
12:01:37 From Amrita : Hi everyone
12:01:53 From ali almeshal : we have Amrita
12:13:22 From silvia.vivanco : ICANN by laws say “ (viii) Each RALO shall be comprised of self-supporting At-Large Structures within its Geographic Region that have been certified to meet the requirements of the RALO's Memorandum of Understanding with ICANN according to Section 12.2(d)(ix). If so provided by its Memorandum of Understanding with ICANN, a RALO may also include individual Internet users who are citizens or residents of countries within the RALO's Geographic Region."
12:13:34 From silvia.vivanco : https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance/bylaws-en/#article13
12:13:38 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : But that doesn't effect their criteria rather than the RALO or ICANN Geo Region they belog to
12:13:58 From silvia.vivanco : Kindly see article posted above
12:15:07 From David Mackey : “ICANN Geographic Region” sounds right
12:16:57 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : let's stick to ICANN Geographical regions
12:18:28 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : @Cheryl. ALSes which have members from outside of the region, must cater for their geographic region is an important criteria as our some of our newer ALSes have members who are more geographically dispersed.
12:18:40 From Amrita : agree
12:19:00 From Amrita : Maureen I think place of ALS could be on geography not members
12:19:03 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : Most ALSes have 2 representatives on record
12:19:21 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : One voting member
12:19:29 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : Many don't, Daniel
12:20:16 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : probably need to ask staff for metrics of ALS reps
12:21:25 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : I think every ALSes has its process of Leadership
12:21:44 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : The report every two years should cover this
12:21:57 From David Mackey : yes, in the biennial report
12:22:05 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : Yes, the report should cover it
12:22:14 From Amrita : agree with you Allan and Cheryl
12:22:23 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : The report must include Leadership with reps
12:22:46 From Roberto : I am missing something - but shouldn’t an ALS application be signed by the leadership?
12:23:14 From Roberto : So the ALS leadership must be aware
12:23:37 From Bastiaan Goslings : +1 Roberto - you’d assume the leadership are the ones who can speak ‘on behalf of’ the ALS
12:23:42 From David Mackey : it’s not bad to be ahead of the game! :-)
12:23:58 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : Yes, but the most important thing is ALS Leadership must have interest in At-Large or ICANN activities
12:24:11 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : A declaration that the ALS Leadership is aware of the ALS being accredited by ICANN in its regular reporting is also required
12:24:58 From Peters Omoragbon Peters : Is there any way you will lead a group without interest in its activities
12:25:18 From Roberto : @daniel however, it is not necessary the primary purpose of the organization
12:25:37 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : Indeed, Roberto
12:25:40 From Peters Omoragbon Peters : ICANN cannot disregard the constitutional structure of any ALS
12:26:01 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : All alses
12:26:21 From Peters Omoragbon Peters : Daniel I cannot understand your argument here
12:26:31 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : it's an ongoing reporting matter... Yes
12:27:03 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : some ALS leaders have no or limited Engagement in At-large
12:27:05 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : there has to be some trust in declarations and certifications made
12:27:17 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : some names are just there on record
12:27:39 From Peters Omoragbon Peters : That is a wrong assumption which you have no proof or mandate to speak
12:27:40 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : however if someone challenges 'the facts'(so many need to be public) then it can be investigated and proof required
12:27:44 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : yet input is minimal or even zero input
12:27:55 From Roberto : +1 CLO
12:28:04 From Peters Omoragbon Peters : We cannot sit here and assume roles for groups we do not belong to
12:28:36 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : why would we have an ALS rep who has or never attends meetings even RALO meetings
12:29:29 From Peters Omoragbon Peters : The fact that we are reviewing the rules of engagement does not give ICANN the authority to change the structure of any ALS different from their constitutional structure or hierarchy
12:29:59 From Peters Omoragbon Peters : Do you have an example of any such ALS
12:30:00 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : @Daniel - ALS leadership is different from ALS representatives - ALS leadership may not care about At-large but have a member or members that do - at least, ALS leadership needs to be aware of ICANN and At-Large and some idea of its responsibilities as an ICANN ALS
12:30:29 From Peters Omoragbon Peters : And by the way, why would it be your business who represents the organization as long as the organization represented
12:30:39 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : The size of ALS membership may just be an administrative number but we should have the names of those members who are or want to be active and receive notices from ICANN.
12:30:41 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : @Dev, what if they are not aware?
12:31:29 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : @Daniel - ALS leadership isn't aware, then the report every two years would inform them
12:32:48 From Peters Omoragbon Peters : I am worried at the insistence of WANTING TO DEAL with INDIVIDUALS within an ALS to the detriment of the structure. Every organization have their rules of procedure. If I do not attend an ICANN meeting and designate a member to represent the org, how do u know we do not get briefing or feedbacks?
12:33:04 From David Mackey : “challenge then proof” can we find/add language for that process?
12:33:24 From David Mackey : or do we need that language in this doc?
12:33:31 From Peters Omoragbon Peters : We should not indirectly begin to create rebellion within an organization all because we want to review ICANN rule of engagements with them
12:33:32 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : even ask ICANN Legal for the best text terms
12:33:57 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Voting rights should go to someone in a leadership role, but unfortunately the person the ALS nominates to vote has often been someone who does not have an active role in our system. However, if leaders have to regularly report then it is more likely they will find out more about us.
12:34:05 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : That was another good reason to STOP that approach of travel slots in ATLS style activities
12:34:17 From Heidi Ullrich : Good solution.
12:34:35 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Yes an OLD issue
12:34:54 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : (same for General Assemblies where travel is offered)
12:35:47 From Peters Omoragbon Peters : Is ICANN interested in just INDIVIDUALS getting involved or the organization. RALOs are organizational membership and not individuals. Since ICANN has created room for individual membership, it should deal with such membership and not use them to create disasffection within the group
12:36:26 From silvia.vivanco : Wording is very good
12:37:02 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Internet governance - Alan has intergovernance
12:38:48 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : I noted that in the Doc @Maureen
12:41:26 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : it means the RALO Rules don't bind decertification etc., requests ALAC has the dicretion
12:42:38 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : Indeed, it certainly has happened before
12:42:44 From silvia.vivanco : yes
12:42:53 From silvia.vivanco : Okay noted and thank you for clarifying
12:43:57 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Great idea to have interests of the organisation with regards to ICANN in the application form..
12:44:34 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : yes, I strongly agree with Maureen
12:45:03 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : I just joined the meeting. It was not published in the At-Large calendar therefore I did not see it in my calendar.
12:45:05 From Roberto : +1 Maureen
12:45:17 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : @Eduardo - had the same problem too
12:46:23 From David Mackey : K, thx. I’m happy with the wording
12:46:33 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : Can someone indicate which line we are discussing at the moment?
12:46:52 From David Mackey : @Eduardo page 9 mid page bullet
12:46:58 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : Rules if ALS is also a member of another ICANN Constituency/SG
12:47:51 From David Mackey : Sorry @Eduardo bottom page bullet … “Rules if ALS is also a member of another ICANN constituency/SG. “
12:48:21 From Eduardo Diaz - NARALO : @Dve & @David Thanks
12:48:23 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : I believe that ALSes should not be members of other groups, but individual members may be members of other groups. My ALS has a member who is a GAC ViceChair
12:49:41 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : In many cases it depends on the ALS entity rules itself
12:50:06 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : some DO require some discussion and support from the ALS to cast a vote
12:50:49 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : I need to Chair another call at the top of the hour so will leave here soon I am afraid...
12:51:09 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : In our ALS, the GAC member is not an executive member of the ALS
12:51:20 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : This is where we need to NOT over do this Rule IMO Dev
12:51:30 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : I agree
12:52:17 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Light touch here
12:52:20 From David Mackey : yes, not a voting member in both
12:52:41 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : I suspect quite a lot of ALSes are members of NCSG
12:52:45 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : One can hold ones Vote
12:53:02 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : abstain because you have voted in the other space etc.,
12:53:41 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : and YES I am personally more a fan of COI, but COI is easier woth Individuals not the entity that is an ALS
12:53:57 From Amrita : agree with Cheryl
12:53:58 From Roberto : What Dev said makes sense to me. How many ALS are in this situation?
12:54:33 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Issues such as membership of other sections of ICANN by individual members of an ALS, should be documented in the ALS report to avoid any conflict of interest
12:54:34 From Roberto : Actually, it was not Dev but David
12:55:04 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : +1 Maureen - as long as its documented, it should be ok
12:55:37 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : They need to perhaps choose where to Domacile
12:55:49 From ali almeshal : +1 Maureen, it should be reported
12:55:50 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : as an ALS
12:56:07 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : so tether to a specific RALO
12:57:02 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr : Sorry Alan I really need to join my next call Bye for now...
12:57:14 From DANIEL K. NANGHAKA : kindly I have to drop to join my next call
12:57:36 From David Mackey : looks good Alan
12:57:43 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : looks good
12:57:46 From Roberto : OK for me
12:57:47 From Heidi Ullrich : Maureen and I need to drop to go into a meeting.
12:57:51 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Currently for cross-region ALSes, we expect that most of the leadership team belong to one particular region.
12:57:53 From Bastiaan Goslings : yep looks good
12:58:00 From ali almeshal : for review
12:58:06 From Amrita : looks good
12:58:14 From Roberto : Bye
12:58:16 From Amrita : thank you
12:58:16 From David Mackey : Thanks Everyone! Bye.
12:58:16 From Dev Anand Teelucksingh (TTCS) : bbye all
12:58:19 From silvia.vivanco : Bye all