Gisella Gruber-White:Welcome the the New gTLD Review Group on Monday 21 January 2013 at 1900 UTC
Gisella Gruber-White:Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/DwJlAg
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Hello, everyone
Carlton Samuels:Hiay all
Carlton Samuels:Hope this is a short meeting. I have to get on the road for a 2-hr drive
Adela Danciu:Hello everybody!
Adela Danciu:if the call isn't working I can follow on audio bridge
Gisella Gruber-White:Welcome Adela - do you have another number we can call you on?
Gisella Gruber-White:We are not getting through on the one you sent us
Adela Danciu:a mobile if the land line is not working
Gisella Gruber-White:Please send to me privately
Adela Danciu:i'm in, thank you!
Gisella Gruber-White:WelcomeAdela
Gisella Gruber-White:@ Adela - we have muted your phone line as there was an echo. As you are the phone and the Adobe COnnect, please mute your computer speakers and microphone
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:https://community.icann.org/display/newgtldrg/.amazon_OG
Adela Danciu:@Gisela - I did, but I lost the connection. Leave it - I'll follow on audio bridge
Gisella Gruber-White:ok Adela - let me know if you need another dial-out
Gisella Gruber-White:Heidi has joined the calll
Adela Danciu:(the sound is better on computer than on mobile)
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:https://community.icann.org/display/newgtldrg/Limited+Public+Interest+Objection+Grounds
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:https://community.icann.org/display/newgtldrg/community+objection+grounds
seth:I am not sure my mike is working. Is there a dial-in?
seth:thanks.
Heidi Ullrich:18005506865
Heidi Ullrich:then 1638# passcode
seth:OK, in
Heidi Ullrich:thanks
Gisella Gruber-White:Seth Reiss hsa joined the audio bridge
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:https://community.icann.org/display/newgtldrg/.amazon_OG
Gisella Gruber-White:Aziz has joined the AC room - Welcome Aziz!
Carlton Samuels:@Seth: My concern is how to objectively decide what objections/objectors to embrace
Adela Danciu:+1
seth:You said that in the negative, so we are agreeing in the negative
Carlton Samuels:+1: I cannot see a Limited Public Interest unless we are prepared to disallow 'amazon' at 2nd level.
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:https://community.icann.org/display/newgtldrg/community+objection+grounds
Carlton Samuels:When I measure all strings so far commented in terms of Community Grounds, I am prepared to say I can see ONLY PARTIAL satisfaction - and very weak - under Community Objection for .amazon and .patagonia.
Adela Danciu:there'a a problem to prove the 2nd point: Community opposition to the application is substantial;
Carlton Samuels:In fact, validation of 'substantial' community objection and the targeting of a community are the hardest to find!
seth:Guidebooks says "may be excplicityly or implicitly targeted." Implicit may be what others feel.
Adela Danciu:i'm on mute, but I was thinking of the description of substantial oposition
Adela Danciu:like Number of expressions of opposition relative to the composition of the community - we only have 1
seth:I agree that we do not have substantial, but I am wondering at what point one measures substantial.
Heidi Ullrich:Adela, are you saying that this comments on Amazon does or does NOT have substantial opposition?
Adela Danciu:it's true there are more criteria - alternative - but still each of them is hard to sustain
seth:Maybe the ALAC needs to condition its objection on there being substantial opposition. I am not sure our dashboard is the right measuring tool
Adela Danciu:does NOT have susbtantial opposition
Heidi Ullrich:Thanks, Adela.
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:GAC warning : https://gacweb.icann.org/download/attachments/22938690/Amazon-BR-PE-58086.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1353452622000
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:https://community.icann.org/display/newgtldrg/.cba_OG
Aziz:thnak you Gisella, sorry for the delay
seth:Similar but less compelling - the community is less finite
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Sorry I had no internet access earlier.
seth:I also agree with Carlton on the acronym point
seth:It is not the fact that it is acronym that is determinative but that the acronym has multiple significance
Aziz:yes I agree
Adela Danciu:(no offence to Cordoba, but I had no idea the acronym has that significance :))
Heidi Ullrich:@Seth, thanks for the clarification. I have noted that point.
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:https://community.icann.org/display/newgtldrg/.nyc_OG
Aziz:What is the acronym of cba?
seth:I think NYC falls int he same general category as Amazon
Carlton Samuels:@Seth: +1
Heidi Ullrich:Aziz, 'could be anything' is one
Seth:Community
Heidi Ullrich:Aziz, here is a larger list: http://www.acronymfinder.com/CBA.html
Aziz:Thnak you Heidi
Heidi Ullrich:You're welcome.
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:https://community.icann.org/display/newgtldrg/.patagonia_OG
Seth:Yes. We have a discrete community vs. a commercial enterprise with no relationship to the cumminty
Seth:Olivier, I think we are considering them separately but drawing analogies perhaps.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:I would not. Process - wise it is not a good idea
Adela Danciu:it's rather an issue of applying similar consideration criteria to all and each case
Seth:Or perhaps trying to be consistent in our approach
Adela Danciu:@seth - +1
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:but the way Dev worded it on the call was ambiguous
Seth:understood
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:https://community.icann.org/display/newgtldrg/multiple-strings-by-RJ-Glass
Adela Danciu:our mandate is restricted to specific objections, if that will be the case
Yrjö Länsipuro:Adela +1
Seth:Perhaps we can acknowledge Randall
Seth:s comments with appreciation
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/newgtldrg/2013-January/000205.html
Seth:Me, I got rid of it; sorry. I was trying to figure out how to use my microphone
Seth:Dev, it seems to me that we need to consider how we are going to determine whether the objections are "substantial"
Seth:YEs, forgot to take it down
Yrjö Länsipuro:Sorry, I have to leave the call now. Bye.
Thomas Lowenhaupt:substantial is not necessarily numerical
Seth:It seems to me that it must be more than looking at our dashboard. Also, I am not sure our process is limited to putting forward objections that have proven to have substantial opposition, but that "may
Seth: have substantial opposition
Adela Danciu:agree with Carlton - the criteria are quite broad for "substantial": it's number / representativity (also related to number to some extent) / "authority" ...
Adela Danciu:doodle? to consult with the other WG memebrs?
Seth:Either is OK, but shoudl be a different time zone for those whoe could not attend today?
Carlton Samuels:Make the doodle
Heidi Ullrich:Thanks, All.
Seth:Thanks for all your work Dev
Thomas Lowenhaupt:Thank you for your efforts.
Adela Danciu:thank you all ! have a nice evening / day :)
Carlton Samuels:Thanks guys. Many thanks to Gisela for reminding me of this call.
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Thanks everyone
Gisella Gruber-White:Thank you all!
