17:40:20 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org to Everyone:
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17:40:39 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong to Everyone:
Hello All
17:42:15 From Natalia Filina (EURALO) to Everyone:
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17:43:06 From gisella.gruber to Everyone:
Welcome Abdeldjalil!
17:43:34 From Setondji Hounzandji to Everyone:
Greetings to everyone
17:49:48 From Harold Arcos_LacraloChair to Everyone:
Dear Michelle and Heidi,, our CIP members completed the chart during the first CIP exercise for this purpose
17:50:51 From Natalia Filina (EURALO) to Everyone:
Dear all, we also will work on the detailed information from Euralo
17:51:15 From Karen Enriquez to Everyone:
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17:51:54 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org to Everyone:
https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Continuous+Improvements+Program+Community+Group+%28CIP-CCG%29+Workspace
17:52:26 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong to Everyone:
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Thanks Gisella
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17:55:05 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Thank you, Harold. We have noted this.
17:55:51 From Natalia Filina (EURALO) to Everyone:
Adore this very artistic way to explain-)
17:56:43 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
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17:57:15 From avri doria to Everyone:
Do you track non member participation as well member participation
17:58:24 From Natalia Filina (EURALO) to Everyone:
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we would track it for sure, dear Avri. Nice fresh way to see engagement
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17:59:50 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
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We need to do it more
17:59:59 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
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There is no mandate or requirement to do so, BUT there is also no reason why at least attendance and activity of 'non members' can not be credited/recorded/preserved in a fair and reasonable way as long as it was Opt In
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18:00:40 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
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the balance with privacy is always an interesting one
18:02:18 From Gerardo Martínez Hernández to Everyone:
Saludos a todos
18:02:39 From Gerardo Martínez Hernández to Everyone:
Saludos Sergio
18:03:11 From avri doria to Everyone:
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Think it is useful when considering future leadership &c
Also measure of outreach success and wider interest.
Glad it is being considered.
18:05:13 From Natalia Filina (EURALO) to Everyone:
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18:08:54 From Jenna Fung to Everyone:
Well said
18:09:42 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
To Segios point ( well part of it) the Regions also need to know what performance or otherwise the representatives they send are contributing otherwise how do the Regions know who should be doing what and when...
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18:12:10 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Two hands up in zoom, Abdulkarim then Natalia
18:12:20 From Moustapha Abakar Abdramane to Everyone:
Hello everyone, Moustapha Abakar from Chad.
18:12:32 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
Is there even a process by which a RALO can change their representative, before the end of term, if they are notified that the representative is not participating actively?
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18:12:58 From Natalia Filina (EURALO) to Everyone:
Very agree with Amrita
18:13:18 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
++ Amrita
18:13:20 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong to Everyone:
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18:13:33 From Setondji Hounzandji to Everyone:
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18:13:44 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
I don't think there is such a process @Bill Jouris
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18:14:39 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
If there is no such process, what is the purpose of having a metric?
18:15:14 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Do remember the Metrics are not just about travel etc.,
18:15:14 From Seun S. Ojedeji to Everyone:
Someone is making the similar comments i made on the draft document. its important to improve participation of non active leaders but we have to avoid a situation of top down, a situation where diversity is impacted negatively. Well Said Sergios, Amrita and Sebastien
18:15:49 From Setondji Hounzandji to Everyone:
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18:16:44 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong to Everyone:
+1 Seb l’impact communautaire est le Top des approches
18:17:04 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Actually to SeBs point the Regions best check exactly what their Leaders are charged with doing
18:17:07 From Jenna Fung to Everyone:
NetMission, as a youth initiative predominantly operated by student volunteers, encounters hurdles in fully committing to "be actively contributing" due to limited resources and support. Recently, we established a working group within our organization to facilitate greater involvement of our members in the ICANN community. While I am optimistic about the potential for process enhancement to boost efficiency within At-Large, I also aspire for broader comprehension and empathy towards ALS, particularly those led by youth, who may face similar dilemmas to our organization.
18:17:28 From GBADAMASSI Raihanath - ALAC to Everyone:
Hello everyone.
Thank you Seb
18:17:50 From Setondji Hounzandji to Everyone:
+1 @Sébastien Bachollet Déjà c'est toujours les anglophones ou ceux qui parlent Anglais qui parlent tout le temps
18:18:28 From GBADAMASSI Raihanath - ALAC to Everyone:
+ Seb, totalement d'accord avec toi.
18:19:18 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong to Everyone:
Performance ALS vS performance Membre
18:19:45 From #GregShatan to Everyone:
It should not be so difficult to define and measure "participation" with enough nuance to capture various aspects of participation, including those mentioned by Sebastien. The basic concept that those who come to ICANN meetings should be contribute to the meetings should not be controversial.
18:20:18 From sergio salinas porto to Everyone:
+ sebastien
18:20:25 From sergio salinas porto to Everyone:
+ azis
18:20:30 From Natalia Filina (EURALO) to Everyone:
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18:20:41 From Setondji Hounzandji to Everyone:
bravo @Aziz Hilali +1
18:21:04 From Seun S. Ojedeji to Everyone:
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Who are the "they" that does the notification? the region that elected/nominated them should be in the best position to determine the participation level of their selectees
18:21:04 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong to Everyone:
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18:21:22 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
I just sanity checked with Roberto who WAS absolutely involved in the evolution of ALAC as we know it and the emergence of At-Large via the constructs known as At-Large Structures.. ALAC was formed with a specific Advisory Committee purpose and the At-Large movement via it's ALSes as new constructs way back when are complementary but not derivative
18:23:14 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
ALAC is the Advisory Committee 15 people
18:24:29 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
+++ Claire it all HAS to be equitable fair and transparent as well as accountable for the right reasons
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18:25:25 From Seun S. Ojedeji to Everyone
Alan it depends on how you put this, i agree with you on policy side but not on administrative side which is the point of discussion; RALOs have independent MoUs with ICANN hence they have their rules of procedure (operating principles in afralo). RALO rops are not subject to approval of ALAC hence that distinction needs to be made.
18:26:06 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
Well said Claire, if we are going to be in contentious discussions with other groups, we must be able to have such discussion inside our own group
18:26:18 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
S.M.A.R.T = Specific; Measurable; Achievable; Relevant and Time based/bound
18:26:58 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
+1 AK
18:27:19 From Claire Craig to Everyone:
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Thanks CLO
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18:28:14 From Joanna Kulesza to Everyone:
Do I understand correctly that the alternative to the current metrics proposal is the status quo? Implicitly indicating that the status quo is the desired status of the community? Or is there an alternative we can look into?
18:28:15 From GBADAMASSI Raihanath - ALAC to Everyone:
+++ Abdelkerim
18:28:32 From Shah Rahman to Everyone:
+1AK
18:28:38 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
If someone offers yhemselves as a volunteer they need to review their own abilities to offer what, and match those personal resources to whatever roles THEY offer themselves for
18:28:48 From Natalia Filina (EURALO) to Everyone:
Agree Abdulkarim
18:29:04 From Joanna Kulesza to Everyone:
Correction: it is a volunteering opportunity.
18:29:27 From Setondji Hounzandji to Everyone:
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18:29:30 From Jenna Fung to Everyone:
Can we take some questions or comments from online please
18:29:37 From Joanna Kulesza to Everyone:
Does that mean we go back to the incentives discussion? I'd love that!
18:30:17 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Jonathan did say this is the *beginning* of a conversation.
18:30:45 From gisella.gruber to Everyone:
Please state your names when speaking and please don’t speak at the same time. We are not able to interpret accurately
18:31:15 From Joanna Kulesza to Everyone:
My concern is we might run out of active volunteers. Maybe the status quo is then indeed the desired end effect.
18:31:27 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
None of this is easy people we are already in the weeds...
18:31:35 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
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18:31:52 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
IMO we have to work out to find a middle path
18:31:59 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
its a difficult task
18:32:00 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
I would say we need, first of all, to try to articulate what this "responsibility" is.
18:32:16 From Joanna Kulesza to Everyone:
It's good we're having the discussion nonetheless.
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18:32:33 From Seun S. Ojedeji to Everyone:
But on a more serious note are there really people who are not participating in the roles assigned to them? if there are, have we tried to engage them to understand the challenge? can we frantly have the RALO leadership call those persons to order if they exist? why should travel look like a reward?
18:32:47 From Phyo to Everyone:
Hello everyone. This is Phyo representative of ALS from APAC region. My question is why ALS should not be at At-Large even though we are a part of APRALO. Even we are now trying to engage more at APRALO while starting our NetMission APRALO Study Group. “We are young people” and allocating the time for the community works are always challenging to us while navigating our works, school and professional development. Just my opinion.
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18:33:35 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
Phyo Netmission is an ALS member
18:33:57 From Natalia Filina (EURALO) to Everyone:
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we can and we can`t Seun... At same time
18:34:11 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
Any entity can be an ALS, all they have to do is apply and after due dillegnece can be accredated
18:34:28 From Claire Craig to Everyone:
What gets measured gets done!
18:34:38 From Natalia Filina (EURALO) to Everyone:
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In my POV it needs to set up additional rules inside of RALOs
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18:34:46 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
limit is difficult to stablish
18:34:51 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
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I would say that reporting back to the RALO about what happened, both in meetings and in discussions outside the formal meetings, *is* a form of participation. We will need to consider that when we are devising our metrics
18:34:52 From Seun S. Ojedeji to Everyone:
Jonathan you are Chair of ALAC, when you voice your opinion it carries more weight hence its important not to compare your voice with that of other members in the room....saying this especially if you need feedback on matters from the room
18:35:01 From Jenna Fung to Everyone:
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I think the issue is on how these metrics are going to measure their “participation”
18:35:05 From Joanna Kulesza to Everyone:
I would say we need, first of all, to try to articulate what this "responsibility" is. I'd argue this is relatively clear in the description of the post one applies for. What's missing would be convincing incentives to increase the number of those willing to take it in a voluntary capacity.
18:35:39 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
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So Jenna when we are talking of ALS, there are O&E engagement plan where you can share what you want to do
18:36:30 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
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We recognise your activities, but we do not make it mandatory. However the new Rules of Procedure has responsibility on all. We would be sharing that too
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18:36:53 From Phyo to Everyone:
Personally, I feel like outreach strategies are having the issues with the engagement of ALS for empowering and encouraging them while building their capacities for their meaningful participation there if the metrics include “Active Status” of ALS.
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18:37:10 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
@Hadia - the new RoP has responsibilities assigned to all including LT and ALAC reps
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18:38:24 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
@ Joanna -- if the description of the responsibility is clear, I agree that some incentives should be there to make sure the role responsibility is fulfilled, and if it is not, there should be a way to address that.
18:38:28 From Jenna Fung to Everyone:
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Glad Phyo is now representing us to follow all these, though not all ALS has this privilege to appoint someone to actively follow. Perhaps some other type of outreach may be needed. For example, they should at least be aware of the newsletter of RALOs of their region to keep themselves updated even if they cannot “contribute” actively.
18:38:37 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org to Everyone:
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18:38:48 From Jenna Fung to Everyone:
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Can’t speak for everyone, but APAC is in good place with our leadership
18:39:02 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Just a reminder Rec 16 (see link below is about => Performance Metrics, as relevant to each activity in which At-Large participants are involved in order to measure the effectiveness of our processes as well as the actual involvement of active participants. https://community.icann.org/display/ALRW/Issue+16+Dashboard+and+Progress+Chart
18:39:21 From Jenna Fung to Everyone:
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@Amrita Choudhury
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18:41:04 From Phyo to Everyone:
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+1 to Jenna..
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18:41:33 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
@Amrita Choudhury Does the RALO need to keep an ALAC member not participating in the work for the whole term and denying others the opportunity to take a more effective role
18:41:44 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
Are we not talking of Metrics for everything
18:41:47 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
why just travel
18:42:21 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
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we will share are draft final version of RoP if you want Hadia
18:42:38 From Claire Craig to Everyone:
We should be looking at metrics for everything, that however is a decision for us all to make
18:43:07 From hadia Elminiawi to Everyone:
Metrics are important - who measures what and how do we use the measurements is what we all need get together and agree on.
18:43:14 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
All we need to implement in the beginning is a system that addressed the "quote" 'Absence of Consistent Performance Metrics' this is where we are and the task at hand
18:43:15 From Joanna Kulesza to Everyone:
I struggle with this challenge with my students as well: never confuse the loudest one in the room with the best contributor. Personally I decided against grading my students on participation alone because the substantial but quiet, limited input was often overcrowded by the few loud ones who actually bring little to the debate. Good point @Pari Esfandiari. Setting the metrics is indeed tricky. And balancing them with the *incentives* <couldn't resist>.
18:43:30 From #GregShatan to Everyone:
Remember, we don't know what the metrics are yet.
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indeed @#GregShatan
18:43:52 From #GregShatan to Everyone:
@Satish -- the word "accountability" is key.
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They seem to look a lot like the Holy Grail...
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18:45:24 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
While the regions will decide whether they are being well represented, it might still be useful to pass information (metrics) back to the regions to inform their decisions.
18:46:57 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Nor has it been mine BUT dissolving a RALO takes a simple withdrawal o either side of the MOUs in place... That said ALAC is I believe the funded body and I know I personally fought hard to get any RALO travel slots provided for WAY Back When
18:47:15 From gisella.gruber to Everyone:
@Natalia Filina (EURALO) - we will take your hand shortly
18:47:23 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
IMO The decisions have to be together and not either or. It cannot be just ALAC or the RALO..but both by ALAC and RALO and both has to have equal share equitably
18:47:29 From Natalia Filina (EURALO) to Everyone:
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thank you dear Gisella!
18:48:19 From Seun S. Ojedeji to Everyone:
Alan there is no ALAC without the RALOs(ALSes) both are interdependent, we should not make one more suprior than the other
18:48:50 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
Agree Seun - ALAC is formed by representatives sent from RALOs.
18:49:03 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
and the 1 NomCom rep from each region
18:49:06 From Phyo_NetMission.Asia (ALS) to Everyone:
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18:49:32 From #GregShatan to Everyone:
But ALAC has certain responsibilities that are different from those of the RALOs.
18:49:44 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
All, the alert on your mobiles was an Amber Alert, which is a US emergency system in the case of a child abduction.
18:49:52 From Amrita Choudhury to Everyone:
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off course they do Greg. But they are elected reps from RALOs
18:50:33 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
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Thank You Heidi
18:50:41 From Marita Moll to Everyone:
Let's keep in mind that we are all here to support the ICANN multistakeholder model. We need to make it work and be able to show that it is working on our side.
18:50:59 From #GregShatan to Everyone:
@Alan, your mic is on.
18:52:23 From Seun S. Ojedeji to Everyone:
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thats correct Greg just as RALOs have responsibilities different from ALAC but they are interdependent structure wise
18:52:25 From Natalia Filina (EURALO) to Everyone:
thanks for additional points Jonathan
18:53:14 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
No answers yet but we need to start the conversation with mutual reppect
18:53:18 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
respect
18:53:32 From Seun S. Ojedeji to Everyone:
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+1
18:53:36 From Phyo_NetMission.Asia (ALS) to Everyone:
Agreed with Cheryl…
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18:54:07 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
+++ Marita
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18:55:15 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong to Everyone:
Bye Thanks
18:55:21 From Joanna Kulesza to Everyone:
Great conversation all, thanks!
18:55:25 From Moustapha Abakar Abdramane to Everyone:
Merci à tous bue
18:55:26 From Narayanaswamy Baluswamy to Everyone:
Interesting session.TKU
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