Terri Agnew:Welcome to the At-Large Briefing on the draft ALAC Statement on the 2nd Draft CCWG-Accountability Proposal on Thursday, 27 August 2015 at 19:00 UTC
Terri Agnew:meeting page: https://community.icann.org/x/-4FYAw
Murray McKercher NARALO:Good Day everyone
Terri Agnew:Welcome Murray, we will begin in 17 minutes
Murray McKercher NARALO:OK, perhaps you can dial-out to me as I will have to change locations mid-meeting and prefer to keep the audio connected on my mobile +1.416.803.3183
Terri Agnew:@Murray, will have the op dial out to you shortly.
Murray McKercher NARALO:@Terri Thank you standing by..
Garth Gaham:If I'm the only one on here who needs to be briefed, my profound thanks to the rest of you!
Alan Greenberg:No Garth, there are a number of people who have not actively participated in the document drafting, but we hope to gather a few more.
Alan Greenberg:We are waiting a few more minutes for people to gather.
Cheryl LangdonOrr:sorry to be late he last calljstwrapped
Alberto Soto -IIISI:Hola a todos, hello everyone!!
Siranush Vardanyan:hi all , joined just after another call
Siranush Vardanyan:sounds scaring, Alan;))
Terri Agnew:At-Large Cross Community Working Group on Enhancing ICANN Accountability 2nd Draft Report Work Stream 1) Workspace https://community.icann.org/x/a45CAw
Cheryl LangdonOrr:somehow it seems so much l. o. n. g. e. r. than that Alan :-)
Terri Agnew:CCWG-Accountability Proposal documents: https://community.icann.org/x/pKs0Aw
Loris Taylor:Do the core value work if the language "where feasible and appropriate" is added at the end in Core Value 4? I hope I have the correct slide. The one before 5.
Wolf Ludwig:What is a "healthy" competitive environment? This "specification" offers room for multiple and controversial interpretations ...
Loris Taylor:Agree on thresholds
Wolf Ludwig:75% is not much for changing *fundamental* Bylaws.
Avri Doria:Wolf: like the words reasonable and apprpriate, the word healthy is a meaningless word added to emphasise either agreement or caution in the thing being modified.
Avri Doria:The null words do have a purpose in that they can be used as wild cards to reverse the meaning of any statement.
Wolf Ludwig:Thanks Avri -- it reminds me somehow to church rhethorics ;-)
Cheryl LangdonOrr::-) :-) :-)
Wolf Ludwig:But see and understand the purpose behind ...
Avri Doria:And they can alwasy change their minds about using their votes up to once a year.
Wolf Ludwig:In the context of such serious efforts like "transparency" or "accountability" I would prefer some clear language -- but this is very or too German probalby ;-)
Julie Hammer:Terri, is this slide deck available to be downloaded? Or emailed out to us? I have looked on the workspace and can't see it there. Many thanks.
Terri Agnew:@Julie, the slide deck is on the wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/-4FYAw
Julie Hammer:Many thanks!
Terri Agnew:named as: Webinar Presentation Slide Deck
Julie Hammer:Got it...thanks! :-)
Terri Agnew:most welcome
Avri Doria:I think it is unfortunate that the ALAC comment may denigrate the capabilities of the ATRT. I think that would be a bad thing.
vanda:sorry to be late
Terri Agnew:ALAC Statement Wiki: https://community.icann.org/x/a45CAw
Terri Agnew:IANA-Issues Mailing list: https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/iana-issues
Terri Agnew:CCWG Document Wiki: https://community.icann.org/x/pKs0Aw
Alberto Soto -IIISI:Yes Alan
Garth Gaham:Where does the CCWG draft deine "community?'
Julie Hammer:Great presentation, Alan!
Garth Gaham:Thats define
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Very impressive presentation
Loris Taylor:Excellent Alan!
Wolf Ludwig:@Avri: Can you further explain HOW the ALAC comment "may denigrate the capabilities of the ATRT"? -- Please
Alberto Soto -IIISI:We are also the usual ....
Loris Taylor:Making systemic reforms that has to consider so many parties is difficult. Thank you for making the complexity of such a process easy for us to receive.
Garth Gaham:I'll ask again! Where does the CCWG draft define "community?"
Wolf Ludwig:Thanks Avri for this explanation!
vanda:thank you Avri WAS quite colear
Garth Gaham:Can somebody nudge Alan re my question above?
Terri Agnew:@Garth, I will ask it for you
Avri Doria:it is shorthand for ICANN multstakeholder community.
Avri Doria:e.g. To organize the mechanism along the same lines as the community – that is, in line and compatible with the current SO and AC structures (without making it impossible to change these in future).
Avri Doria:in a pragrapgh that starts with: In developing a mechanism to empower the ICANN multistakeholder community, the CCWG-Accountability agreed on the following:
Avri Doria:page 47
Garth Gaham:@Avri: my thanks
Sebastien:I am back
Avri Doria:there are place in the draft where a narrower us is such as ccTLD Community. There are also a few refrences to Broader community this is the reference you find in some of the stress tests.
Wolf Ludwig:That's THE question, Alan!
Garth Gaham:In Ostrom’s terms, it’s a community that manages a common pool resource (i.e. the DNS). Key principles = 1. Community self organizes 2. Ever member has ability to change the rules.
Avri Doria:in fact that notion of community accountabity may be on the table for Monday's discussion with the CCWG Advisers
Garth Gaham:Thanks Alan, ok for now.
Avri Doria:at the UNGA the issue is renewal of the IGF, not its funding. though funding would be a good thing.
Wolf Ludwig:Hopefully we will get the *renewal*, Avri -- the rest will be difficult enough, as we know ;-)
Heidi Ullrich:Thank you, Alan, and All.
vanda:thank you all, always relevante
Cheryl LangdonOrr:good call ... Thanks everyone and especially Thanks Alan. :-) :-) :-) bye for now then
Alberto Soto -IIISI:Thanks Alan!! Bye all!!
Wolf Ludwig:Thanks Alan and all
Gordon Chillcott:Thank you, Alan.
Julie Hammer:Thanks, Alan. Excellent briefing.
Loris Taylor:Thank you and goodbye for now
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Thanks Alan this was a great presentation
Gordon Chillcott:Bye for now.
Garth Gaham:Would it be fair to say that an empowered community makes the board accountable to it?
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Garth: that is, I believe, the plan.