Terri Agnew:Welcome to the At-Large Briefing on the draft ALAC Statement on the 2nd Draft CCWG-Accountability Proposal on Thursday, 27 August 2015 at 19:00 UTC

  Terri Agnew:meeting page: https://community.icann.org/x/-4FYAw

  Murray McKercher NARALO:Good Day everyone

  Terri Agnew:Welcome Murray, we will begin in 17 minutes

  Murray McKercher NARALO:OK, perhaps you can dial-out to me as I will have to change locations mid-meeting and prefer to keep the audio connected on my mobile +1.416.803.3183

  Terri Agnew:@Murray, will have the op dial out to you shortly.

  Murray McKercher NARALO:@Terri Thank you standing by..

  Garth Gaham:If I'm the only one on here who needs to be briefed, my profound thanks to the rest of you!

  Alan Greenberg:No Garth, there are a number of people who have not actively participated in the document drafting, but we hope to gather a few more.

  Alan Greenberg:We are waiting a few more minutes for people to gather.

  Cheryl LangdonOrr:sorry to be late he last calljstwrapped

  Alberto Soto -IIISI:Hola a todos, hello everyone!!

  Siranush Vardanyan:hi all , joined just after another call

  Siranush Vardanyan:sounds scaring, Alan;))

  Terri Agnew:At-Large Cross Community Working Group on Enhancing ICANN Accountability 2nd Draft Report Work Stream 1) Workspace https://community.icann.org/x/a45CAw

  Cheryl LangdonOrr:somehow it seems so much l. o. n. g. e.  r.  than that Alan :-)

  Terri Agnew:CCWG-Accountability Proposal documents: https://community.icann.org/x/pKs0Aw

  Loris Taylor:Do the core value work if the language "where feasible and appropriate" is added at the end in Core Value 4?  I hope I have the correct slide.  The one before 5.

  Loris Taylor:Does

  Wolf Ludwig:What is a "healthy" competitive environment? This "specification" offers room for multiple and controversial interpretations ...

  Loris Taylor:Agree on thresholds

  Wolf Ludwig:75% is not much for changing *fundamental* Bylaws.

  Avri Doria:Wolf: like the words reasonable and apprpriate, the word healthy is a meaningless word added to emphasise either agreement or caution in the thing being modified.

  Avri Doria:The null words do have a purpose in that they can be used as wild cards to reverse the meaning of any statement.

  Wolf Ludwig:Thanks Avri -- it reminds me somehow to church rhethorics ;-)

  Cheryl LangdonOrr::-) :-) :-)

  Wolf Ludwig:But see and understand the purpose behind ...

  Avri Doria:And they can alwasy change their minds about using their votes  up to once a year.

  Wolf Ludwig:In the context of such serious efforts like "transparency" or "accountability" I would prefer some clear language -- but this is very or too German probalby ;-)

  Julie Hammer:Terri, is this slide deck available to be downloaded?  Or emailed out to us?  I have looked on the workspace and can't see it there.  Many thanks.

  Terri Agnew:@Julie, the slide deck is on the wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/-4FYAw

  Julie Hammer:Many thanks!

  Terri Agnew:named as: Webinar Presentation Slide Deck

  Julie Hammer:Got it...thanks!  :-)

  Terri Agnew:most welcome

  Avri Doria:I think it is unfortunate that the ALAC comment may denigrate the capabilities of the ATRT.  I think that would be a bad thing.

  vanda:sorry to be late

  Terri Agnew:ALAC Statement Wiki: https://community.icann.org/x/a45CAw

  Terri Agnew:IANA-Issues Mailing list:  https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/iana-issues

  Terri Agnew:CCWG Document Wiki:  https://community.icann.org/x/pKs0Aw

  Alberto Soto -IIISI:Yes Alan

  Garth Gaham:Where does the CCWG draft deine "community?'

  Julie Hammer:Great presentation, Alan!

  Garth Gaham:Thats define

  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Very impressive presentation

  Loris Taylor:Excellent Alan!

  Wolf Ludwig:@Avri: Can you further explain HOW the ALAC comment "may denigrate the capabilities of the ATRT"? -- Please

  Alberto Soto -IIISI:We are also the usual ....

  Loris Taylor:Making systemic reforms that has to consider so many parties is difficult.  Thank you for making the complexity of such a process easy for us to receive.

  Garth Gaham:I'll ask again! Where does the CCWG draft define "community?"

  Wolf Ludwig:Thanks Avri for this explanation!

  vanda:thank you Avri WAS quite colear

  Garth Gaham:Can somebody nudge Alan re my question above?

  Terri Agnew:@Garth, I will ask it for you

  Garth Gaham:Thanks!

  Avri Doria:it is shorthand for ICANN multstakeholder community.

  Avri Doria:e.g. To organize the mechanism along the same lines as the community – that is, in line and compatible with the current SO and AC structures (without making it impossible to change these in future).

  Avri Doria:in a pragrapgh that starts with: In developing a mechanism to empower the ICANN multistakeholder community, the CCWG-Accountability agreed on the following:

  Avri Doria:page 47

  Garth Gaham:@Avri: my thanks

  Sebastien:lost cnx

  Sebastien:I am back

  Avri Doria:there are place in the draft where a narrower us is such as ccTLD Community.  There are also a few refrences to Broader community this is the reference you find in some of the stress tests.

  Wolf Ludwig:That's THE question, Alan!

  Garth Gaham:In Ostrom’s terms, it’s a community that manages a common pool resource (i.e. the DNS).  Key principles = 1. Community self organizes 2. Ever member has ability to change the rules.

  Avri Doria:in fact that notion of community accountabity may be on the table for Monday's discussion with the CCWG Advisers

  Garth Gaham:Thanks Alan, ok for now.

  Avri Doria:at the UNGA the issue is renewal of the IGF, not its funding.  though funding would be a good thing.

  Wolf Ludwig:Hopefully we will get the *renewal*, Avri -- the rest will be difficult enough, as we know ;-)

  Heidi Ullrich:Thank you, Alan, and All.

  vanda:thank you all, always relevante

  Cheryl LangdonOrr:good call ... Thanks everyone and especially Thanks Alan. :-) :-) :-)   bye for now then

  Alberto Soto -IIISI:Thanks Alan!! Bye all!!

  Wolf Ludwig:Thanks Alan and all

  vanda:áudios Alberto

  Gordon Chillcott:Thank you, Alan.

  Julie Hammer:Thanks, Alan.  Excellent briefing.

  Loris Taylor:Thank you and goodbye for now

  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Thanks Alan this was a great presentation

  Gordon Chillcott:Bye for now.

  Garth Gaham:Would it be fair to say that an empowered community makes the board accountable to it?

  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@Garth: that is, I believe, the plan.

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