Gisella Gruber-White:Welcome to the At-Large Briefing Session: Enhancing ICANN Accountability on Thursday 5 June 2014 at 2000 UTC

  Gisella Gruber-White:Agenda:

  CW:Sorry. Wrong call. Come back later

  Holly Raiche:Morning everyone

  Oksana Prykhodko:hi everyone

  Siranush Vardanyan:good night from Armenia to all

  Holly Raiche:Hi Siranush

  Silvia Vivanco:Hello all

  Siranush Vardanyan:hi, Holly

  Leon Sanchez:hello everyone

  Jordi Iparraguirre:hello!

  cristiancasas-cetic-ajb-:buenas tardes para todos

  Allan Skuce:Greetings

  Mark (ISOC DSN):Greetings

  Heidi Ullrich:Welcome, All !

  Ali AlMeshal:Hello everone

  Mark (ISOC DSN):Mark Urban

  Ellen Strickland:HI all

  Winthrop Yu:Hello All, Winthrop here

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:hi Mark :-) :-)

  Fatima Cambronero:hello everyone

  Terri Agnew:Allan Greenberg has joined

  Evan Leibovitch:Hi all

  Alan Greenberg:Is there an Adigo bridge? I am getting the message "Please wait for the subscriber"

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:yes @alan there is

  Terri Agnew:Please state names for the interpreters and speak at a reasonable speed to allow for accurate interpretation

  Ariel Liang:This is the At-large workspace for the PC:

  Alan Greenberg:My problem. My mouse slipped and I clicked on the wrong meeting!

  Terri Agnew:Welcome Dev

  Terri Agnew:Welcome CW

  Terri Agnew:Welcome Alejandro

  Sebastien:If you do thepage by page it is OK

  Alejandro Pisanty:Hi!

  Holly Raiche:Suggest that there be a link in the wiki to both presentations

  Alan Greenberg:Our leader is getting mighty aggressive!

  Heidi Ullrich:@Evan, I've made you a presenter, so you also have control of the slides.

  Mark (ISOC DSN):Point 1 - Should we create a short hierarchy of the three overarching requirements  (transparency, accountability, and Internet user community) and then build a list of issues?  the ARTS-2 report is labrynthine at best.

  CW:Oh! some transition: 16 years. CW

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:good points and good plan IMO@Mark U

  Mark (ISOC DSN):spent a week reading it last night...

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr::-) :-) :-)

  Holly Raiche:@ Mark - do you mean you spend a week reading it, or you read it all last night?

  Mark (ISOC DSN):I read it last night.  It just FELT like a week... :-)

  Holly Raiche:Not good news for those who plan to go through it!

  Terri Agnew:Welcome Darlene

  Darlene Thompson:Sorry to be late!

  Mark (ISOC DSN):Point 2:  a short list of principles  as a summary for non-technical/policy wonks is essential.  ICANN suffers from an image problem: that it is an engineering/technical group, not an open community-directed governance body.  short, simple resources can help alleviate that and allow us to communicate ICANN's values effectively.

  Alan Greenberg:@Evan, where is indication that Board is not going to follow ATRT2 Recs? They will only report back for the first time in London

  Darlene Thompson:Nicely explained, Evan

  Evan Leibovitch:alan, maybe you're right. But the Board could have better embraced the whole of the ATRT2 by now.

  CW:not muted

  Evan Leibovitch:at very least we need to resolve how the ATRT2 reults are handled before starting up something new

  Alan Greenberg:@Evan. SInce we willl have a reply in London, I think that is exactly what we will be doing. For clarity, the process as planned is for ICANN to both evaluate recs AND scope out how they will be implemented along with the time-line they are comitting to. Then make the entire announcement.

  Heidi Ullrich:@Christopher, would you like a dial out?

  Alan Greenberg:Perhaps not the best way to do it, but that was the plan and announced intent.

  CW:I believe that I am back on line with the meeting. OK?

  Terri Agnew:@CW, please activate your mic again to be heard

  CW:I think I have done that OK.

  Terri Agnew:Welcome Mwendwa

  Mark (ISOC DSN):agree, Cheryl!

  Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya:I had challenges with internet access :(

  Terri Agnew:as a reminder, please mute mics/telephone when not speaking

  Mark (ISOC DSN):I envision a statement of principles, a list of issues/challenges that currently exist re; the principle, and then a list a "to-do"s - WHAT not HOW.  

  Leon Sanchez:it's very loud

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:yes @Mark that woulybe most useful indeed and facilitate better and increased engagement... IMO

  Winthrop Yu:ok, better now

  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:speak a little further out from your mic

  CW:Let us try a dial-out: 34965793693

  Mark (ISOC DSN):CW you are not muted

  Terri Agnew:@CW will do

  Mark (ISOC DSN):agree, Alejandro - Polysci experience is needed.

  Holly Raiche:I still think  we need to be very clear about accountability for what, to whom and how - and  the NTIA role is larger than just one function - so principles, yes, but targetted

  Mark (ISOC DSN):I like the for what, and to whom.  the HOW can be a pointer to applicable ATRTs recommendations.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Transparancy is key here also

  Mark (ISOC DSN):@Holly

  Mark (ISOC DSN):oooo ... good point cristian.  need to have a metric that define RESULTS

  Oksana Prykhodko:dropped

  Holly Raiche:@ Mark - yes, the how, butI"ll have to reread ATRT2 and the AoC tosee for what before the how - and in theend, themetric for results must include what happens if metrics are not met

  Evan Leibovitch:The ALAC position has been clear: Implement the ATRT2. I'm not sure that any interim steps are possible untlil we know the extent to which ICANN chooses to follow its own RT's advice.

  Mark (ISOC DSN):@Holly.  agree.  as CW and Cheryl pointed out, the environs have changed

  Oksana Prykhodko:thank you!

  Holly Raiche:@ Mark Yes, the spotllight is shining - which is not a bad thing

  Holly Raiche:@ Mark - have you signed up for the Transparency and accountability session?

  Evan Leibovitch:ICANN has faced the spotlight before, but it has done so with great words but little action underneath.

  Mark (ISOC DSN):@Holly - not seen that one.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr:to @CW's points. again Transparency is key at the component parts of ICANN level as well

  Evan Leibovitch:This is why the reaction to the very specific recommendations of the ATRT2 are so critical to wath.

  Holly Raiche:From what I have heard, already some countries are walking away from the NETMucdial statement

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:apologies all, have to leave the call, I'll read the transcript of this informative call

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh:take care all

  Holly Raiche:Thanks Dav

  Darlene Thompson:Can't hear

  Oksana Prykhodko:Great point! @cristiancasas! Would be happy to discuss with you my European IG ecosystem dashboard!

  Maureen Hilyard:Hi all.. I am not connected to the mike. Cheryl has it covered :)

  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:@understood Maureen - apologies for not seeing you

  Terri Agnew:Welcome Peter

  Oksana Prykhodko:dropped again(

  cristiancasas-cetic-ajb-:disculpen me tengo que retirar a clases en la universidad

  Terri Agnew:@Oksana, we are dialing back out to you

  Holly Raiche:@ Alan - agree.  I like the call for higher level principles

  Mark (ISOC DSN):agree!  the priciples drive everything you do.  otherwise you have to fight the same battle everytime anything new happens.

  Alan Greenberg:#mark - yes, very true.

  Garth Graham:To account is to answer.  In a global context, who get sthe answer?

  Heidi Ullrich:Alejandro is on AC only.

  Holly Raiche:@Garth - that is the big question

  Heidi Ullrich:@Alejandro, we've lost you

  Heidi Ullrich:could we call out to you ?

  Sebastien:for me a new

  Terri Agnew:Welcome Inam

  inam:tha k

  Alejandro Pisanty:At Large must be exemplary in its accountability and transparency. E.g. ALAC-elected Directors must have the highest accountability and transparency obligations - think "innkeepers wife"

  Alejandro Pisanty:A weakly accountable At Large engenders suspicion against the whole of ICANN.

  Holly Raiche:Hear Hear!

  Alejandro Pisanty:For some important purposes At Large is one more competing party, not the leavening or balance to all others. It competes for resources like translation, travel funds, management overhead, people's time and energy, etc.

  Heidi Ullrich:ATLAS II Thematic Group on Transparency and Accountablity:

  Sivasubramanian M:@Alejandro   That doesn't sound constructive

  Sivasubramanian M:@Alejandro  sounds more like negative propaganda

  Holly Raiche:Have to go - sorry.  A great call

  Mark (ISOC DSN):@ Holly - Thanks

  Ariel Liang:Yes, the agenda page:

  Heidi Ullrich:Agenda:

  Heidi Ullrich:

  Alejandro Pisanty:Siva I don't understand

  Sivasubramanian M:@Alejadro  Your comments about At-Large that "At Large is one more competing party, not the leavening or balance to all others. It competes for resources like translation, travel funds, management overhead, people's time and energy, etc." in a subtle way amounts rather deprecating, so I said it did not appear constructive

  Sivasubramanian M:Too much of negative criticsm in public lists, be it against ISOC Governance or At-Large creates the unintended consequence of a negaive effect and a negative impact.  Certain gaps, if well meant, are better discussed off-list, and in internal mail.

  Ariel Liang:This is the thematic group information:

  Alejandro Pisanty:Siva, the perception exists and if we don't face it we are actually helping it grow

  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:The Thematic WGs will address the points made here

  Sivasubramanian M:@Alejandro  Doesn't help much if it is repeatedly and consistently highlighted

  Sivasubramanian M:@Alejandro  It amounts to branding At-Large as in pursuit of matters petty

  Oksana Prykhodko:@Olivier - which WG? New one?

  Alejandro Pisanty:S, that's exactly the reason I mention "inn-keepers wife"

  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Thematic WGs Oksana. Face to face discussions in London

  Peter Knight:I agree that NETmundial should be a starting point. Also the strategy panel on ICANN’s role in Internet Governance Ecosystem, Chair Vint Cerf and the At-Large Future Challenges WG - R3 White Paper

  Oksana Prykhodko:@CW+100!

  Alejandro Pisanty:S, if, for example, an At Large org leader is speculating with domain names, or facilitating the market, he&she is in conflict

  Alejandro Pisanty:S if this conflict is not stated it hurts everybody's perception of AL accountability

  Sivasubramanian M:please name the AT Large org leader speculating on domain names,  I am curious

  Evan Leibovitch:The problem is not that they are stated, Alejandro.

  Evan Leibovitch:Statements of Interest enable us to see the conflicts, and there are quite a few.

  Evan Leibovitch:The issue is that, having disclosed the conflicts, nothing changes.

  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:

  Alejandro Pisanty:exactly, Evan, so the answerr to Siva is I may have doubts but there is no list of SoI's that keeps people straight

  Evan Leibovitch:In ICANN, you can have as many conflicts as you like so long as you disclose

  Ariel Liang:Yes


  Alejandro Pisanty:Evan, except at some point yo ureally are disqualified from certain discussions and decisions

  Peter Knight:see chat

  Sivasubramanian M:@Alejando  You are exactly adding one accustation on top of another on AT Large

  CW:Thankyou everyone. Good night

  Peter Knight:I was notdialed in, joined late.

  Pedro Veiga:Thank you all for the updated information

  Sivasubramanian M:The deadline is 6th ?

  Evan Leibovitch:This is ICANN. You are never disqualified so long as you disclose.

  Leon Sanchez:I apologize for having to leave the call

  Leon Sanchez:Thanks to all

  Leon Sanchez:Great call

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:bye for now then

  Ali AlMeshal:Thank to all

  Oksana Prykhodko:thank you all, bye!

  Ellen Strickland:Thanks very much

  Winthrop Yu:Thank you All!

  Fatima Cambronero:thanks to everyone, bye

  Sivasubramanian M:Bye everyone

  Ellen Strickland:Bye

  Siranush Vardanyan:thanks and bye

  Ariel Liang:thank you all! bye bey

  Allan Skuce:Thank you.

  Allan Skuce:Bye

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