20:36:09 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Welcome to ALAC Monthly Call taking place on Wednesday, 20 April 2022 at 18:00 UTC.
20:36:38 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/vRV1Cw
20:50:45 From Barrack Otieno to Everyone:
Hello everyone, good to be here.
20:57:31 From Priyatosh Jana to Everyone:
hi everyone.... greetings from India
20:58:44 From Carlos Dionisio Aguirre to Everyone:
hi all.
20:59:01 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
Hello everyone!
20:59:21 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
Hi everyone from NZ
21:00:12 From Carlos Dionisio Aguirre to Everyone:
dear Staff, please call me at +54 9 351 5 526909 ES channel. thanks
21:00:22 From Dave Kissoondoyal (ICANN ALAC) to Everyone:
Hello everyone
21:00:27 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Welcome, All.
21:00:30 From Michelle DeSmyter - ICANN Org to Everyone:
@Carlos - noted, we will dial out to you momentarily
21:00:32 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
All good
21:01:02 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
Is it weather issues for you again, Cheryl
21:01:10 From Claudia Ruiz - ICANN Org to Everyone:
@Carlos, dialing out to you
21:01:57 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Not today @Maureen is your internet poor again?
21:02:12 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
No Im in NZ so no issues here.
21:02:31 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
:-)
21:02:32 From vandascartezini to Everyone:
hi everyone !!
21:03:20 From Herb Waye Ombuds to Everyone:
Greetings from the Office of the Ombudsman, always nice to see familiar names and faces. ombudsman@icann.org
21:03:32 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Alan will join shortly.
21:03:42 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Welcome, Herb.
21:03:46 From Roberto Gaetano - NextGen Mentor to Everyone:
Hi - sorry to be late
21:03:58 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
g'day @Herb
21:04:27 From Herb Waye Ombuds to Everyone:
Hi Heidi and Cheryl great to be here
21:04:43 From vandascartezini to Everyone:
vanda scartezini is here too
21:04:45 From Mouloud Khelif - ICANN73 Fellow to Everyone:
Hello everyone
21:04:50 From Siranush Vardanyan - ICANN Org to Everyone:
welcome to all, great to be here
21:05:15 From vandascartezini to Everyone:
refurbishing mac so my name is not shown yet
21:05:22 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Miss you @Siranush it has been *way too long!*
21:05:52 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Real time transcription (RTT) link: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN
21:06:19 From Siranush Vardanyan - ICANN Org to Everyone:
miss you indeed, Cheryl, toooo long, agree
21:06:53 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
Lovely to se you Sirik
21:06:54 From Raymond Mamattah to Everyone:
I didn't hear my name. Good evening
21:08:45 From Gisella Gruber - ICANN Org to Everyone:
@Raymond - your name will be noted on the attendance
21:09:23 From Siranush Vardanyan - ICANN Org to Everyone:
my dear Holly, likewise
21:10:17 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
@Siranush.. Roll on The Hague
21:11:58 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
GNSO Small Group on DNS Abuse Letter to the ALAC Chair with three questions: https://community.icann.org/display/alacpolicydev/At-Large+Workspace%3A+ALAC+Response+to+the+GNSO+Questions+on+DNS+Abuse?preview=/192223042/192223074/gnso-council-small-team-et-al-to-hilyard-06mar22-en%5B4%5D.pdf
21:15:18 From Joshua Ayayi to Everyone:
Joshua Ayayi (He/Him) from Ghana
21:17:46 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
They often spend most of their time either "parked" or redirected to a legitimate site.
21:21:11 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
If on a microcosmic or minuscule level, we can have a RegistrANT accreditation, some form of Registrant authentication, not quite like KYC, then it becomes easier to tag malicious bulk registrations
21:21:49 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
(in response to "currently there are no tools to predict bulk registrations)
21:22:34 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
Such an accreditation ( a big word ) process would also deter malicious registrations
21:22:36 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Remember, the purpose of this exercise is to suggest topics for discussion by the GNSO, not to propose solutions, per se
21:22:55 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@Jonathan Thanks
21:24:17 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
One of the most maddening challenges is a disconnect between the contracted parties and ICANN contract compliance on the tools in place to deal with so-called "bad actors."
21:24:37 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong to Everyone:
Hello Staff , ISSac Maposa would like to have a dial out on 00263772479231 . thanks
21:25:20 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
@ JZ - Is it the actual tools are partly the apparent reluctance on the part of Compliance to use them?
21:25:41 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@Jonathan It is not only of interest for Contracted parties and compliance, what do the other stakeholders have to say on the tools>
21:25:44 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
?
21:26:53 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
@Holly or the reverse? a reluctance on the part of Contracted parties to develop / make use of the tools as available as the Compliance sees them?
21:26:55 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
@Holly, that is certainly the position of the contracted parties, that what we're seeing is a reluctance on the part of ICANN to deal with bad actors, not a lack of tools.
21:27:01 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
(sorry - should read tools OR)
21:27:03 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Holly some of the tools like the algorithm based approaches are based on WHOIS data. (The Eurid/DNS.be approach). They don't scale to a global/gTLD level because of the lack of WHOIS data.
21:27:04 From Gisella Gruber - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Abdeldjalil - de suite pour le canal francais. Merci!
21:27:15 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
Thans JZ
21:28:38 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Other actors, such as the IPC, have done deep dives into the contracts and believe that compliance has more power than it uses, including some powers of "interpretation," of vague language. In the end, we really need clarity on the perspective of Contract Compliance.
21:29:47 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
@JM, the lack of whois data has certainly changed the game somewhat. That said, there are some enormous registrars that have quite a bit of data that could be brought to the table.
21:30:21 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
we need a "working definition" but perhaps not a final definition to find things to be done
21:30:42 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@JZ Yep but getting a standard approach to handling DA across all registrars will be important. A unified approach and even a checklist will help.
21:31:03 From vandascartezini to Everyone:
thanks alan.
21:31:30 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Nice tight specific scoping is essential YES!
21:33:55 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Not broaden the definition. It needs precision and the ability to adapt to DA as it evolves. The EU paper was heavily criticized by CENTR and the over-broad definition was one of the issues.
21:34:44 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Indeed @John
21:35:21 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
but we need to find a progressable point
21:35:44 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
so we all agree ;)
21:35:50 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
:)
21:36:05 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
so the definition needed excuse" is not a tool for distraction and non progress
21:36:15 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
indeed
21:37:07 From Bill Jouris to Everyone:
If necessary to get agreement, we can take a narrow (and generally agreed) definition, and explicitly label it as "initial"
21:37:36 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
The problem with a definition is that without the precision of the contracted parties one is that it blurs the line between DA and content abuse. That would have everyone trying to solve multiple problems at once.
21:38:02 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
@Bill, even doing that would lead to a debate about the definition. We can simply call it a working a definition. To Alan's point, we can just stop talking about the definition and talk about the problems.
21:38:58 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
back to the essential need for *tight* PDP scoping importance perhaps then @John
21:39:01 From Justine Chew to Everyone:
I will just report that the GNSO Council Small Team on DNS Abuse are still waiting on responses to that questionnaire from the GNSO SG/Cs/ So, that small team is in early stages of its work still.
21:39:04 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
definitions can last forever to write specially as there are real differing views on the defition
21:39:07 From Sivasubramanian M to Everyone:
if we go by a limited definition as Greg proposes, how are those aspects of abuse that fall beyond the present definition to be addressed? by whom?
21:39:09 From Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond to Everyone:
definition
21:39:37 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Noted @Justine
21:39:38 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@JZ @Cheryl Split what can be solved technically away from what can be solved with legal methods hence the multiple PDPs.
21:39:54 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía to Everyone:
Indeed Olivier. The wordsmith effort can be endless and when we all agree, something changes and sends us back to the blackboard to wordsmith again
21:40:04 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
May as well @John...
21:40:21 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
small manageable time bound ones preferably
21:41:13 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Cheryl Yep. And hope that the characteristics of DA don't change while they are all going on. :)
21:41:40 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
:-)
21:42:38 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
Very helpful comments on ALAC presence in that WG
21:43:26 From Samuel Danso to Everyone:
Good evening to everyone. my name is Samuel Kwasi Danso from Ghana
21:44:42 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
In keeping with the Recs from ATRT3... Appreciated indeed
21:46:31 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
A sensible initiative in troubled times now and ongoing again appreciated.
21:47:01 From Dave Kissoondoyal (ICANN ALAC) to Everyone:
+1 CLO and Leon
21:49:33 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Thx león
21:49:45 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía to Everyone:
Thank you Cheryl and all!
21:50:07 From Dave Kissoondoyal (ICANN ALAC) to Everyone:
Thank-you Leon
21:50:13 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía to Everyone:
Thank you Dave!
21:50:24 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía to Everyone:
And thank you for accommodating my speaking slot
21:51:20 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
@ OCL - under liaison report, do you want a brief report on the CSC? I will also report briefly on the OFB WG
21:51:49 From vandascartezini to Everyone:
GREAT LEON !!
21:51:59 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía to Everyone:
Obridago Vanda!
21:53:39 From León Felipe Sánchez Ambía to Everyone:
Thanks everyone! I will now leave
21:53:51 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
Bye Leon
21:54:00 From Lianna Galstyan to Everyone:
Thanks Leon
21:54:09 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
Apparently African Union cannot register au.africa despite it being an IGO (I think).
21:54:36 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Hanks to both of you!
21:54:42 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Many thanks for your outstanding dedication, Yrjo and Justine!!
21:54:42 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Thanks
21:54:44 From vandascartezini to Everyone:
Aa information to all, we, from the NOMCOM, met in Washington during one week as a pilot face to face and I am glad to share that everything worked very well. we have been tested every day before entering the room , used masks and the result was good- none got sick, the process was comfortable and worked quite well.
21:55:01 From Maureen Hilyard to Everyone:
Many thanks to Yrjo and Justine for this effort
21:55:20 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
Thanks Vanda for the report
21:55:38 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone:
Really great efforts Justin thanks
21:55:38 From vandascartezini to Everyone:
thank you Yrjo and Justine for the outcome !!
21:56:25 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
A point we seem to have to remind people of regularly @AG
21:56:50 From vandascartezini to Everyone:
@Holly , thanks . as a pilot being positive in all aspects is a good news fro next F2F meetings
21:58:12 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
That's got to have been one of the fastest discussions of DA and definitions that I've ever seen. :)
22:00:47 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
A very good thing ...Agreed @JZ
22:01:12 From Greg Shatan to Everyone:
@John, maybe people are getting tired of talking about talking about DNA and definitions....
22:02:01 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
@Greg Possibly.
22:02:20 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
These tabs are updated weekly on the CPWG agenda.
22:03:00 From Holly Raiche to Everyone:
@ Maureen - do you want a brief report on liaisons and OFB WG?
22:04:24 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
That is the next AGenda Item @Holly
22:06:20 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Excellent Lianna
22:07:25 From Lianna Galstyan to Everyone:
Thanks, Cheryl
22:07:56 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Tabs to topics makes sense in the GNSO context IMO
22:13:14 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Agree on that inclusion of ALAC point @Justine!
22:13:14 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
given the main issue is confusion of individual end users
22:15:45 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Thanks Maureen not seeing a huge issue with this small refractory period in O&E as long as we get back on track
22:15:57 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
Do we know when CROP will be re-established
22:16:50 From vandascartezini to Everyone:
thanks justine. always clear and efficient presentation!
22:18:59 From Alberto Soto to Everyone:
Sorry, I have to go. Bye!
22:20:15 From Alan Greenberg to Everyone:
A very short AOB please.
22:20:36 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
the SG has recently updated everyone anyway
22:23:53 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Thx @Joanna intersessional ALAC:GAC 'program' planning is very beneficial IMO...good going forward in your important liaison role.
22:25:21 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
@Alan, Maureen has seen your request for a brief AOB.
22:25:58 From Gisella Gruber - ICANN Org to Everyone:
https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/ICANN74+-+June+2022%3A+Policy+Forum
22:27:13 From Judith Hellerstein to Everyone:
I will be in Nomcom most of the time but will see what I can attend
22:29:36 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Thanks @G...
22:29:38 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong to Everyone:
Thanks Gisella for that update.
22:30:19 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
2022 ALAC and RALO Elections, Selections workspace: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/2022+ALAC+and+RALO+Elections%2C+Selections+and+Appointments
22:32:56 From Joanna Kulesza to Everyone:
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/hilyard-et-al-to-botterman-sanchez-22mar22-en.pdf
22:35:59 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
More to come on this important issue
22:36:36 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone:
Thank you Joanna
22:36:44 From Sébastien Bachollet to Everyone:
I did’nt received any mail about nomination
22:37:02 From Sarah Kiden to Everyone:
Thank you everyone!
22:37:05 From Lianna Galstyan to Everyone:
Thanks everyone and bye.
22:37:05 From Herb Waye Ombuds to Everyone:
Take care everyone, stay safe and be kind.
22:37:07 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr to Everyone:
Bye for now
22:37:10 From Ricardo Holmquist to Everyone:
I do receive the one for LACRALO, but not for EURALO
22:37:13 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong to Everyone:
thanks bye
22:37:14 From Joanna Kulesza to Everyone:
thanks all!
22:37:15 From Heidi Ullrich - ICANN Org to Everyone:
Will send again to you, Sebastien.
22:37:20 From Roberto Gaetano - NextGen Mentor to Everyone:
Bye all
22:37:26 From Siranush Vardanyan - ICANN Org to Everyone:
bye all
22:37:28 From Jonathan Zuck to Everyone:
Thanks all
22:37:29 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
Bye all!
22:37:31 From Laura Margolis to Everyone:
Thank you!
22:37:31 From Samuel Danso to Everyone:
bye
22:37:33 From Obed.Sindy to Everyone:
Thank you
22:37:33 From Chokri Ben Romdhane to Everyone:
Thank you
22:37:36 From Hadia’s iPhone to Everyone:
Bye
22:37:41 From John McCormac - HosterStats.com to Everyone:
later all
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