Sub-group Members: Amal Al-saqqaf, Dalila Rahmouni, Fiona Asonga, Greg Shatan, Herb Waye, Julie Hammer, Lito Ibarra, Olévié Kouami, Rafik Dammak, Renata Aquino Ribeiro, Sebastien Bachollet
Observers/Guests: Bruna Santos, Judith Hellerstein
Staff: Bernard Turcotte, Brenda Brewer, Elizabeth Andrews, Meghan Healy, Mike Brennan, Sabrina Mosquera
Apologies: Pam Little, Cheryl Langdon-Orr
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1- Roll Call
2- Action Item reviews: To integrate edited recommendations into draft report V5 and publish as a Google doc.
3- Review of the updated draft report (pdf)
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- Similarly to the SOAC report that was published for public consultation and noted the non-consensus on the subject of a Mutual Accountability Round Table the Diversity group will include a segment on the proposal for a Diversiy Office in its report to the WS2 plenary.
Brenda Brewer: (8/18/2017 07:26) Good day and welcome to WS2 Diversity Subgroup Meeting #30 on 18 August 2017 @ 13:00 UTC!
Brenda Brewer: (07:26) If you are not speaking, please mute your phone by pressing *6 (star 6). To unmute, *7. This call is recorded.
Brenda Brewer: (07:26) Reminder to all, please speak slowly and state your name before speaking for the Captioner. Thank you!
Rafik: (07:59) hi all
Rafik: (08:00) we will start in one minute
Herb Waye Ombuds: (08:02) Greetings all
Sebastien (ALAC): (08:02) Can we have hte link to the last document?
Rafik: (08:03) https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1UQJMzeYH4FlrsOmPag9SLuewLQiO-2Dy-5FMDedVpjljGRs_edit&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=kbiQDH54980u4nTPfwdloDLY6-6F24x0ArAvhdeDvvc&m=MGTz974ZhbaxBw15L9Aac7A_lonV1x9COvwiz4xVCZg&s=qr6yo82JDxALHj1-y-C6TehMoCXzLwJ2WsCOUhusqlQ&e=
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (08:05) Next WS2 Plenary is 30 August documents due 23 August which is Wednesday next week.
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (08:07) @Dalila - hand?
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: (08:10) it wasn't a recommendation but it was a whole section
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: (08:12) yes the implementation details were discussed to be left out
Fiona Asonga: (08:13) Ergy talked to us before the survey
Fiona Asonga: (08:14) We were even sent the questionnaire before it went out
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: (08:17) we want to have diversity, improve it
Fiona Asonga: (08:17) A diversity Office is not the only way to improve diversity
Fiona Asonga: (08:18) We may have an office but with a non-perfroming staff since the expectations will not be clear
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: (08:19) the concern is that non independent diversity monitoring and evaluation may hinder the progress of recommendations
Fiona Asonga: (08:20) How will the office will create non-independence?
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: (08:21) Fiona, that is the dilemma. once we get to this point, the idea of independent assessement gets dismissed as implememntation detail
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: (08:22) certainly staff has constraints that won't create independence
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: (08:22) so maybe we can compromise on just asserting on an extra recommendation about independent monitoring and assessing of recommendations
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: (08:26) Staff has been helpful and is great
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: (08:27) But just like ombudsman work, diversity work also needs a degree of dettachment from organization
judith hellerstein: (08:28) @Fiona you are correct. We are trying to change the culture of the organization and that is hard to do
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: (08:30) maybe a mechanism of staff and community
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: (08:31) truly it is the beginhing of a journey of 1000 steps
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (08:31) Time check - 30 minutes left in call
Fiona Asonga: (08:34) @Dalila we have capture it in a manner that doesn't allow for micro-managing
Fiona Asonga: (08:35) You seem not to appreciate how we hvae captured it
Fiona Asonga: (08:35) You want only your exact wording which is the problem.
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: (08:36) Rec 5 has the word review
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: (08:36) maybe build up on that
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: (08:36) ?
Fiona Asonga: (08:36) Thanks Renata for pointing that out
Fiona Asonga: (08:37) Yes it does
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: (08:37) "independently review and update"
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: (08:37) just add "independently"
Herb Waye Ombuds: (08:38) I must leave the call... have a nice weekend everyone
Fiona Asonga: (08:39) Thanks Herb
Fiona Asonga: (08:40) I am in agreement with your proposed approach Julie
Fiona Asonga: (08:40) What doe Sabastein and Dalila think
Lito Ibarra: (08:40) I also agree with Julie
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: (08:42) maybe the text could bring in this idea of independent assessment
Fiona Asonga: (08:46) Ok Renata we shall try and reword it to capture the idea of independent assessment
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: (08:46) fine rafik
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: (08:46) rks fiona
Dalila RAHMOUNI: (08:46) Yes I do
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: (08:46) *tks
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: (08:47) and thanks rapporteurs for striving to achieve consensus
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: (08:47) y
Fiona Asonga: (08:48) Thank Bernard
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: (08:51) sounds good
Fiona Asonga: (08:51) Dalila?
Fiona Asonga: (08:51) Sebastien
Dalila RAHMOUNI: (08:53) Thank you fiona
Fiona Asonga: (08:55) Yes next Monday on the mailing list
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: (08:55) y
Dalila RAHMOUNI: (08:55) ok
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: (08:55) d'accord :)
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: (08:57) suggestion: maybe talk about commonalities of findings on gender survey and report here next call
Dalila RAHMOUNI: (08:57) congratulation Julie!
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: (08:57) congrats Julie
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: (08:57) bye
Fiona Asonga: (08:57) Thanks bye
Dalila RAHMOUNI: (08:57) bye
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (08:58) bye all