Sub-group Members: Alain Bidron, Anne Rachel-Inne, Avri Doria, Beran Gillen, Carolina Aguerre, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Dalila Rahmouni, Finn Petersen, Fiona Asonga, Jorge Cancio, Laena Rahim, Lousewies van Der Laan, Mark Carvell, Mathieu Weill, Meghan Healy, Olivier Muron, Rachel Pollack, Rafik Dammak, Sebastien Bachollet. (19)
Observers: Taylor RW Bentley.
Staff: Brenda Brewer, Bernard Turcotte, Karen Mulberry, Laena Rahim, Larisa Gurnick, Lars Hoffman, Yvette Guigneaux.
Apologies:
** If your name is missing from attendance or apology, please send note to acct-staff@icann.org **
Transcript
Word Doc
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Recording
The Adobe Connect recording is available here: https://participate.icann.org/p4q5909x0me/
The audio recording is available here:
Agenda
1. Introductions
2. Review of previous meeting action items
3. Strawman document discussion:
• a. presentation AFNIC study & datasets by Mathieu
• b. Going through the comments and questions
4. Hyderabad Planning: status report for CCWG meeting
5. AOB (5min)
Notes
Documents Presented
WS2 Diversity- Strawman V1-DRI.pdf
Chat Transcript
Yvette Guigneaux: Welcome to the Diversity Subgroup | Meeting #4_ 21 October 2016 @ 13: 00 UTC!
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): good afternoon!
avri doria: i really hate the symbolism of the new AC system having tuend us all into guests in our own meetings.
Mathieu Weill: Hello
Yvette Guigneaux: Good day everyone - if you find your phone on mute it is only to keep disturbing noise out of the Adobe room
RAHMOUNI Dalila: Helllo
Lousewies van der Laan: not hearing anything
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): ARE WE STARTING???/
Yvette Guigneaux: Rapporteurs - feel free to go ahead and begin speaking to start the meeting
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): Hi
Lousewies van der Laan: hi all
Yvette Guigneaux: You can all now scroll through the document if you'd like
FIONA ASONGA 2: Can hear you?
Yvette Guigneaux: We hear you Mathieu
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): he's got his french beret on...
Rafik: vive la france , vive la diversite
Yvette Guigneaux: The 202 and 331#'s if you can see the chat, would you kindly identify yourself for the record?
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): Do we know if there is any international standard for such diversity rules?
RAHMOUNI Dalila: we can use the experience of other institutions ?
Rafik: yes Dalila and it will be great to bring some concrete examples
Finn Petersen, GAC - DK: Importent to keep it simple
Yvette Guigneaux: Mathieu - you can now move slides if you need to for the strawman doc
RAHMOUNI Dalila: For gender for example, UN Women implement very interesting actions.
FIONA ASONGA 2: That's so true Sabastein
Rafik: @Dalila any link?
RAHMOUNI Dalila: Exactly Sebastien
avri doria: i agree with Sebastíen on the defintion. does our current CEO believe there is just one ICANN.
FIONA ASONGA 2: Good question Avri
avri doria: i have not seen the evidence of that yet.
avri doria: does our Board beleive that?
Lousewies van Der Laan: it's the opposite: Goran I trying, with support of the board, to cut through the confusion, by differentiation between ICANN org and ICANN community
avri doria: so the CEO and Board see the various ICANN as different and not part of the same thing?
Lousewies van Der Laan: The name ICANN covers the Community and the organisation (Staal,
Lousewies van Der Laan: staff, board)
avri doria: i guess in this group then we need for both to be diverse. or are we saying icann.org is non f icann.community's business?
Lousewies van Der Laan: it's important to know what we mean
Lousewies van Der Laan: it's totally everyone's business imo
Lousewies van Der Laan: yes, I think both need to be diverse and inclusive
avri doria: i can understand 3 interconnected bubble with one organization, but cannot accept that they are not very interconnected and part of a single entity.
Rachel Pollack: Could we say something like "all levels within ICANN, throughout the organization, community and Board"
Lousewies van Der Laan: sounds clear Rachel
FIONA ASONGA 2: Good suggestion Racheal makes it very clear
Sebastien (ALAC): Sorry but icann.org is all - staff / Board / community -
Sebastien (ALAC): all level of the organization (including staff/Board/community)
Rachel Pollack: In the phrase I suggested, we could replace "organization" with "staff"
Rachel Pollack: sure
avri doria: for sure the community is but a ghost.
Lousewies van Der Laan: they are totally interconnected , but the staff and board serve the community, not the other way around
Sebastien (ALAC): You Rafik
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): some info about EU initiatives: https: //urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ec.europa.eu_justice_discrimination_diversity_charters_index-5Fen.htm&d=DQIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=xjNMRR-fjlgBx7tqUEv8lZv2O9RJyMyqWkymcecegCUuwDxFVsW6VBuvkqKnS_lk&m=lNJHyc4dMC-nr7moSAqs8s-En7RALPo9_O1NuqMeT90&s=Cw-tPrAIXt2puIqVGYrgzENvj4cpiLO7gyn9wU3w_hs&e=
avri doria: Lousewies, would that that was the case!
Lousewies van Der Laan: Goran is trying to make us use organisation instead of staff, but if the community has a problem with that we will have to think of clear words
Lousewies van Der Laan: just let me know how I can help Avri
avri doria: i agree that organization is all. to say that only the staff is the organizzation is exclusionary, at least sounding.
Carolina Aguerre: +1 avri
Lousewies van Der Laan 2: we are trying to do the opposite
FIONA ASONGA 2: I have previously understood organization to be all: staff, community and board
Lousewies van Der Laan 2: be clear and inclusive
avri doria: have we done a diversity picture of the staff?
Mathieu Weill: @Avri: Icann HR has some stats
Lousewies van Der Laan 2: I'll flag the concerns to the board and I agree that any change in definition has to be community driven/supported
RAHMOUNI Dalila: The statement of interest can be an efficient way to collect the information
avri doria: i sometime wonder wherrhter diversity stats should be done on two levels, both citizenship and residence.
avri doria: both affect POV
Rachel Pollack: I agree with Avri it would be important to include both citizenship and residence
avri doria: at the same time
Larisa Gurnick: @avri - ATRT2 gathered some data about staff diversity - i will post the link shortlyl.
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): more from the EU: https: //urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ec.europa.eu_justice_discrimination_document_index-5Fen.htm-23Business-5FCase-5FDiversity&d=DQIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=xjNMRR-fjlgBx7tqUEv8lZv2O9RJyMyqWkymcecegCUuwDxFVsW6VBuvkqKnS_lk&m=lNJHyc4dMC-nr7moSAqs8s-En7RALPo9_O1NuqMeT90&s=yYK_wFYveTixoJMOT_N5XAoODYuQtGHcoIDJOW1gl-U&e=
avri doria: the board is both of the community and servant of the community.
Carolina Aguerre: I certainly agree with Sebastien's categorization. Traditonal authors in the organizational science world raise similar dimensions (eg: Henry MIntzberg).
avri doria: and staff mebers are both employees and members of the community or a different sort.
Rachel Pollack: I think gathering data through existing registration and statement of interests could be efficient. are there aspects of diversity that we would be considered sensitive to collect or publicly display?
avri doria: ... of a different sort.
avri doria: well if we want to measure diversity of various compnents, it is importn to understand what we are talking about.
Lousewies van Der Laan 2: and to confuse things some people may hold a passport of a country they have never lived in and may culturally and linguistically be a diversity asset without having either the passport or residence
Mathieu Weill: Thanks Rafik, hope that is going to be helpful
Rachel Pollack: very helpful presentation, mathieu. merci !
Larisa Gurnick: ATRT2 Final Report https: //urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_system_files_files_final-2Drecommendations-2D31dec13-2Den.pdf&d=DQIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=xjNMRR-fjlgBx7tqUEv8lZv2O9RJyMyqWkymcecegCUuwDxFVsW6VBuvkqKnS_lk&m=lNJHyc4dMC-nr7moSAqs8s-En7RALPo9_O1NuqMeT90&s=wPqg0SIW9TZ1nWwPAL9uYIG1Afw9TkP15a9UTXUuxZE&e= , p 53/277 has data about languages spoken by icann staff
avri doria: that is skill set diversity
Lousewies van Der Laan 2: merci Mathieu
RAHMOUNI Dalila: merci Mathieu
RAHMOUNI Dalila: yes
Lousewies van Der Laan 2: good one Avri
Rachel Pollack: I like adding the title. Could we say simply "Strengthening ICANN through diversity", since we are saying that it in fact leads to richer discussions, more effective policy, etc. and not only legitimacy?
Lousewies van Der Laan 2: yes
Carolina Aguerre: yes
RAHMOUNI Dalila: yes googd title Rachel
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): I feel there is indeed a link
Lousewies van Der Laan 2: good suggestion - it's always good to remind people why diversity is an asset
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): diversity is key to global accountability and therefore to legitimacy...
FIONA ASONGA 2: I am more comforatble with Strenthening ICANN Accounatbility through Diversity
Rachel Pollack: How about having simply "Strengthening ICANN through diversity", followed by the the list of the five points given?
Mathieu Weill: This list of benefits came from several "advisers" BTW. And I think that is absolutely key to highlight
FIONA ASONGA 2: +1 Racheal
Yvette Guigneaux: Hi All - Time check - 15 minute warning
Sebastien (ALAC): I suggest the following tittle
Sebastien (ALAC): Enhancing diversity to strengthen ICANN accountability
Carolina Aguerre: Good suggestion Sebastien
Lousewies van Der Laan 2: +1
Rachel Pollack: no, I made the point in the chat
Rachel Pollack: sounds good to me, as this subgroup is part of the ccwg-accountability
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): The new Bylaws also make a key link between diversity and the global public interest - probably useful to stress in the titles
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): ho[it to finish most of thee points in this calll
Carolina Aguerre: This was more than addressed before ;)
Lousewies van Der Laan 2: +1 Jorge
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): ahreed
Rachel Pollack: Diversity within ICANN refers to the ability of ICANN to facilitate variations in different aspects of stakeholder representation and engagement at all levels within ICANN, throughout the staff, community and Board
Rachel Pollack: + 1 on adding the concept of inclusion
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): so true!
Carolina Aguerre: I totally agree with this suggestion on inclusion
avri doria: well feelng your opinion is not valued may cross all diversity lines at icann.
Yvette Guigneaux: Time check - 5 min warning to the top of hour
FIONA ASONGA 2: Am back
BERNARD TURCOTTE: All please note that there will be a CCWG plenary Tuesday next week
BERNARD TURCOTTE: 1300 UTC
Yvette Guigneaux: Ok Fiona - I did let them know we were getting your audio back - so feel free to let Rafik know you would like to speak
BERNARD TURCOTTE: iT CAN BE FOR MONDAY
BERNARD TURCOTTE: ;-)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): all goodfrom me
avri doria: was origninall told end of business today (soroprate headquarters time), now we hear it is logical friday. hurah.
avri doria: ... ( corporate headquarters time)
Carolina Aguerre: Thanks!! Have a great weekend.
BERNARD TURCOTTE: BYE ALL
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): bye all...
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): Thank you so much all, especially Fiona and Rafik, for taking this good work forward!
RAHMOUNI Dalila: thank you!
avri doria: bye
Rachel Pollack: thanks, rafik and fiona!
Rachel Pollack: bon week-end à tous : )
FIONA ASONGA 2: Thanks all
