Terri Agnew: (11/25/2014 13:50) Welcome to the ALAC Monthly meeting on Tuesday 25 November 2014 at 20:00 UTC.
Terri Agnew: (13:50) meeting page: https://community.icann.org/x/QDTxAg
Heidi Ullrich: (13:51) Welcome, All!
Eduardo Diaz: (13:54) ¡hola a todos!
Vanda Scartezini: (13:55) hi everyone
Vanda Scartezini: (13:55) hola a todos!!
Gisella Gruber: (13:55) Hola Vanda - are you going to be on English or Spanish today?
Vanda Scartezini: (13:57) I am in the English already entered
Gisella Gruber: (13:57) Thank you Vanda
Hadja: (13:57) Hello everyone !
Holly Raiche: (13:57) Good morning everyone
Raf Fatani: (13:58) Hello all!
Raf Fatani: (13:58) Alan I may only be able to do a part of this call due to timing
Vanda Scartezini: (13:58) good night Holly
Alberto Soto: (13:59) Hello everyone!
Wolf Ludwig: (14:00) Interesting comment ;-)
Gisella Gruber: (14:00) Beran has joined the audio bridge
Vanda Scartezini: (14:00) what an ecco...
Leon Sanchez: (14:00) Hello everyone!
Glenn McKnight: (14:00) sound quality on adigo was odd
Wolf Ludwig: (14:01) There is still one dial-out missing to me!
Fatima Cambronero: (14:01) hello everyone
Wolf Ludwig: (14:01) Will check with Sandra and Jimmy!
Beran Gillen: (14:01) hello everyone
Vanda Scartezini: (14:02) hola Fatima
Alan Greenberg: (14:02) Please MUTE!!!
Glenn McKnight: (14:02) Ed and Glenn are here from NARALO
Fatima Cambronero: (14:03) hola Vanda!
Fatima Cambronero: (14:03) in the Spanish channel the audio is very low
Glenn McKnight: (14:04) Aggenda looks good
Glenn McKnight: (14:06) It shows alot of work
sandra hoferichter: (14:06) hi all!
Terri Agnew: (14:06) Welcome Sandra Hoferichter
Glenn McKnight: (14:06) Hi Sandra
Glenn McKnight: (14:07) Olivier has a question
Alan Greenberg: (14:08) Yes, I see,
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (14:09) I just wanted to flag that I needed 1 minute in Any Other business to provide an update about the call for expressions of interest for the ICANN Accountability track. My AC was to slow to put the hand up
Terri Agnew: (14:10) Welcome Yubelkys Montalvo
Yubelkys Montalvo: (14:10) thanks!
Terri Agnew: (14:11) Policy Advice Development Page: https://community.icann.org/x/bwFO
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (14:12) Sorry I did not see if in "CCWG Selection"
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (14:12) too many CCWGs :-)
Glenn McKnight: (14:12) When did this call go out, only to ALAC?
Raf Fatani: (14:12) I am happy to do it in conjunction with others
Glenn McKnight: (14:13) I will comment too
Glenn McKnight: (14:13) Please provide the link
Holly Raiche: (14:13) I
Holly Raiche: (14:13) I was also going to put my hand up
Glenn McKnight: (14:13) Also Holly
Ariel Liang: (14:14) Here is the Public Comment that we are discussing: https://community.icann.org/x/izTxAg
Glenn McKnight: (14:14) Thanks Ariel
Ariel Liang: (14:14) my pleasure
Vanda Scartezini: (14:14) I can work with leon
Heidi Ullrich: (14:15) Thanks, Vanda. We have noted your request.
Holly Raiche: (14:16) This is bizarre!
Beran Gillen: (14:17) huh?
Leon Sanchez: (14:17) I'm not sure I'm following
Wolf Ludwig: (14:17) So do I ;-)
Terri Agnew: (14:17) Welcome Berry Cobb
Beran Gillen: (14:17) am lost!!
Glenn McKnight: (14:17) Its not a burning issue for me either
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (14:17) This indirect contention thing shows the big gaping holes of the Applicant Guidebook
Vanda Scartezini: (14:17) not me. oher issues more relevant
Glenn McKnight: (14:17) Bigger issues need our attention
Zahra: (14:18) Hello every body
Wolf Ludwig: (14:18) Agree with Olivier's point!
Wolf Ludwig: (14:20) I recall: Openness as a rule and whenever possible -- closed in exceptional cases only?
Vanda Scartezini: (14:21) @ wolf. for me could the best option
Glenn McKnight: (14:21) I think Open and Transparent voting is preferred. I am sure good arguments were made for a secret votes. My preference should be known
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (14:21) is this a vote? :-)
Glenn McKnight: (14:21) Ha ha Olivier
Fatima Cambronero: (14:21) +1 @Glenn. Open and transparent
Vanda Scartezini: (14:22) i am infavor of open but understanding the option ALan is stating
Leon Sanchez: (14:22) I too agree that if the default used to be open, we should go back to open as a default unless there is no recommendation from RALOs
Glenn McKnight: (14:22) Click on ticks
Jimmy Schulz: (14:23) I don´t know enough yet about the former discussions. But it sounds reasonable.
Fatima Cambronero: (14:25) can you repeat the question?
Holly Raiche: (14:25) My tick is an approval
Raf Fatani: (14:26) who will be prevy to this information exactly?
Raf Fatani: (14:26) OK - thank you
Fatima Cambronero: (14:26) thanks. I wanted to know if the question was in positive or negative sense
Fatima Cambronero: (14:27) yes, I put my tick. I agree :)
Wolf Ludwig: (14:30) This was *always* confusing in the past!
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (14:30) Indeed, the wording was confusing
Holly Raiche: (14:31) That makes no sense -
Vanda Scartezini: (14:31) we need to change this for sure!
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (14:31) It was not being followed in order to work. Following the rules doesn't work. :-)
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (14:33) The information that is shared includes personal information that breaks data protection laws in Europe, they said
Vanda Scartezini: (14:34) remember that...
Otunte Otueneh: (14:34) my internet connection is not too good and it is not allowing me to follow the meeting well
Vanda Scartezini: (14:34) Jimmi can you clean up your green?
Vanda Scartezini: (14:35) or this is about what?
Jimmy Schulz: (14:35) @Vanda: done
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (14:36) the due diligence could be on a password protected page on the wiki that only the ALAC members and RALO chairs could view
Fatima Cambronero: (14:36) I like Leon suggestion
Terri Agnew: (14:36) @Otunte Otueneh, please let us know if you would like us to dial out to you on telephone
Holly Raiche: (14:38) Just a thought - is this an issue that should be part of the larger review of ALAC?
Garth Graham: (14:40) "monitoring" the involvement of and ALS implies a parent child relationship with ALAC. If so, that's weird .
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (14:41) @Dev: I agree with you. I see two problems with Due Diligence: 1. it does not go deep enough so any information in due diligence can be faked and 2. it is then shown to everyone and therefore is a privacy risk
Otunte Otueneh: (14:43) @Terri, it is better now. but I can't see the presentation
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (14:43) @Olivier, indeed.
Glenn McKnight: (14:43) Due Diligence procedures should be consistent
Glenn McKnight: (14:44) Perhaps some of the existing ALS wouldn't pass the mustard
Glenn McKnight: (14:45) @ Fatima is right it requires more intensive evaluation
Raf Fatani: (14:45) I agree with Fatima on this
Beran Gillen: (14:46) just to let you know we are also working on some of these issues in AFRALO ROP Working Group
Beran Gillen: (14:46) +1 Fatima
Garth Graham: (14:47) Do I understand that metrics are a question of expectations for invovlement, not for certification/
Leon Sanchez: (14:48) +1 to Fatima
Wolf Ludwig: (14:48) Plus 1, Garth!
Hadja: (14:49) yes +1 Fatima
Raf Fatani: (14:49) which RALO?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:50) best resend the call for EOI's out with the deadline reminder...
Ariel Liang: (14:51) Hi Cheryl, Olivier and I have sent two rounds of reminders. I am planning to send out a couple of more rounds
Raf Fatani: (14:51) I think we should be regionaly balanced if possible
Holly Raiche: (14:51) I'd like to at least try for the 5 regions
Alberto Soto: (14:52) that regions have presented?
Jimmy Schulz: (14:52) which region is missing?
Beran Gillen: (14:52) i believe we should try to get a rep from the 5 different regions unless when there are no applicants from a region
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:52) descretion or no
Leon Sanchez: (14:53) It would be better to have one representative per region
Holly Raiche: (14:53) I'd like to at least try for regional representation
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:53) I think a best effort TO get the Regional Diversity if humanly possible...
Leon Sanchez: (14:53) +1 Holly
Fatima Cambronero: (14:53) +1 Leon & Holly
Alan Greenberg: (14:55) @Cheryl, but if they cannot fill them now (and with only 3 EoIs, they will not!) should they re-open as a first option?
Alan Greenberg: (14:56) Charter gives EVERY min or 2 and max of 5 selected according to their own rules.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:57) you have not hit ypur deadline yet@alan you need tontrybto get more EOI's of course...
Fatima Cambronero: (14:58) agree Cheryl, In some cases people maybe understand that a lof of people of their region could be apply. Now they have the oportunity to do
Terri Agnew: (15:00) Welcome Judith Hellerstein
judith hellerstein: (15:02) HI All.
judith hellerstein: (15:02) HI Zahra
Fatima Cambronero: (15:02) if this group is similar than the CWG on IANA, it demands a lot of time!
Vanda Scartezini: (15:05) that is the main issue . I could apply but this time my days are totally occupied till march and can not commit with travel around if demanded... my main concern
Leon Sanchez: (15:05) That seems reasonable
Fatima Cambronero: (15:05) agree @Alan
Vanda Scartezini: (15:05) + 1 Alan
Wolf Ludwig: (15:05) Agree with Alan!
Leon Sanchez: (15:05) Agree with Alan
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (15:05) the tick was my agree @alan
Glenn McKnight: (15:05) fine with me
Jimmy Schulz: (15:06) agree
Raf Fatani: (15:06) Fine with me
Hadja: (15:06) agree
Yubelkys Montalvo: (15:06) ok
Terri Agnew: (15:06) FBSC Workspace: https://community.icann.org/x/n4XT
Terri Agnew: (15:08) Olivier has been disconnected and we are dialing back out to him
Terri Agnew: (15:09) Olivier is back
Glenn McKnight: (15:09) We have Darlene and Alan Skuce reps from NARALO
Glenn McKnight: (15:10) Makes sense Alan
Beran Gillen: (15:11) when will the new sub committee be constituted?
Fatima Cambronero: (15:11) ;)
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (15:11) The proposal for the FBSC composition appears reasonable. There is an impact to the CROPP RT which I'm sure would be discussed later
Yubelkys Montalvo: (15:11) everything is clear
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (15:12) I truxtbyou will BD CA
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (15:13) long for Members and Participants not just the Members as described
Beran Gillen: (15:13) if two ALAC members volunteer for the sub committee from the same region, how will the final choice be made
Alan Greenberg: (15:17) @Beran, I would suggest that they decide among themselves. In youcase, it is a bit more difficult because I have already asked Tijani to participate. Let's talk about this privately.
Beran Gillen: (15:17) ok
Heidi Ullrich: (15:19) Please keep in mind that many of the RALO requests are for travel which could be covered by the CROPP or for support activities which are part of normal ICANN support activities.
judith hellerstein: (15:20) What about support for Captioning of meetings? Would that be under support activiities or something else
judith hellerstein: (15:20) i am talking about the adobe connect meetings
Garth Graham: (15:21) + Olivier. We are advocates for the end user!
judith hellerstein: (15:21) also captioning of videos produced
Wolf Ludwig: (15:22) Totally agree with Olivier's points -- even if the process over the last years was completely frustrating, we should *insist* on the bottom-up principle!
Fatima Cambronero: (15:23) +1 Wolf
Leon Sanchez: (15:23) bottom up should be the line to follow
Glenn McKnight: (15:24) What was funded in last round?
Glenn McKnight: (15:24) None of our NARALO submissioins were funded
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (15:24) Do proposals for IGF overlap the CROPP?
Glenn McKnight: (15:25) Our submissioin was for new PR literature based upon Mailcard format with QR code
Fatima Cambronero: (15:25) are those proposal for outreach? I understand that CROPP is for outreach...
Terri Agnew: (15:25) At-Large ICANN 52 - February 2015 Workspace: https://community.icann.org/x/kiTxAg
Glenn McKnight: (15:25) Naralo proposals were not overlapping with CROPP
Heidi Ullrich: (15:25) @Judith, this type of support should be requested to IT. If there is no budget for that now, then a Special request might be considered.
Glenn McKnight: (15:26) Judith and I have been advocating for Captioning
Alan Greenberg: (15:27) @Glenn. Nothing was ultimately funded. One IGF proposal was approved (after a lot of discussion with finance), but the MAG did not approve it so we got nothing.
Glenn McKnight: (15:27) @ Alan that is sad
judith hellerstein: (15:27) Thanks Heidi will follow up with this. WE ahve been working with Laura from icann on this as well
Fatima Cambronero: (15:28) Glen, we receive a lot of proposal to Worshop; we have to decide among them. If this year you send a new proposal of Workshop, please, let me know. I can guide you in the requirements
Fatima Cambronero: (15:28) sorry Glenn
Glenn McKnight: (15:28) Thanks
Heidi Ullrich: (15:28) @Glenn, several of the NARALO proposals were for printing. We will be reaching out to the Outreach Group and RALOs to update the RALO brochures - including QR codes if requested
Eduardo Diaz: (15:29) What is an ALP meeting?
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (15:29) @Indeed, also the At-Large brochure may need to be updated, as well as RALO brochures
Glenn McKnight: (15:29) Our brochure is sadly out of date and not attractive
Fatima Cambronero: (15:30) agree @Dev
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (15:30) It is worth noting that the IGF proposal which was approved was not approved by the MAG but another proposal from an ALS and that could have been supporting our Accessibility Issues WG was accepted by the MAG but ICANN Finance refused to finance this, saying that approvals were directly linked to workshops and non transferable; I found that to be very unhelpful, showing disdain to the At-Large volunteer community
Heidi Ullrich: (15:30) @Olivierr - two proposals for IGF workshops were accepted, albeit at a reduced level than requested. However, neither workshop were approved by the MAG/IGF.
Beran Gillen: (15:30) @Eduardo At Large Leadership Team meeting (ALT)
Heidi Ullrich: (15:30) @Dev, I'll e reaching out to Murray and you shortly to begin the process
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (15:30) @Eduardo - its ALT
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (15:31) @Heidi: a workshop is a workshop & flexibility should have been shown if there had been real intent to support the community
Heidi Ullrich: (15:31) There are two ALT meetings in Singapore - 1) Saturday, 7 Feb 16:00-18:00 and Friday, 13 Feb 9:00-13:00.
Raf Fatani: (15:31) Can we do a doodle poll every month?
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (15:31) but thisis old news & we'll see if next year we fare any better
Vanda Scartezini: (15:31) we need to be fair with the people and not leave them all the time in bad hours
Raf Fatani: (15:32) preffrences change depening on diffrent weeks
Glenn McKnight: (15:32) its never fair for APRALO
Vanda Scartezini: (15:32) reason why we need to change
Holly Raiche: (15:32) Actually - this call is TERRIFIC
Eduardo Diaz: (15:32) ok
Fatima Cambronero: (15:32) what time is for you Holly?
Raf Fatani: (15:33) Can we apply this process to the RALO meeting as well
Glenn McKnight: (15:33) This time works for me
Holly Raiche: (15:33) IT IS 0833 right now - TERRIFIC
Vanda Scartezini: (15:33) for me is great too. I can not complain we are in the middle from LA till Australia...
Fatima Cambronero: (15:33) ouch
Eduardo Diaz: (15:33) It is OK fro me too
Raf Fatani: (15:33) I have NEVER been able to attend a RALO meeting as its usually around 4am my time
Glenn McKnight: (15:33) Sounds good, not too late for Europe either
Holly Raiche: (15:33) @ Raf - try 0200!
Eduardo Diaz: (15:34) @Raf what time is for you now?
Raf Fatani: (15:34) its 9:30 PM and I am still in the offoce
Glenn McKnight: (15:34) Raf alan is asking you to speak
Raf Fatani: (15:36) I mentioned everything on the chat
Raf Fatani: (15:36) it's all in pink
Beran Gillen: (15:37) @raf whats wit the pink
Raf Fatani: (15:37) Can we do a doodle poll every month?
Holly Raiche: (15:38) @Raf - agree either one doodle every month or rotation to share he pain
Fatima Cambronero: (15:38) agree with a Doolde every month
Alan Greenberg: (15:38) @Raf, no, I do not plan to do a Doodle each month. BUt there will be a more general Doodle.
Raf Fatani: (15:39) @alan - can I ask why?
Alan Greenberg: (15:39) @Beran if you look at the pull-down menu at the upper right of the chat box, you can select your colour.
Leon Sanchez: (15:39) I'm orange!
Leon Sanchez: (15:39) yay!
Jimmy Schulz: (15:40) fun with colors
Fatima Cambronero: (15:40) Green?
Fatima Cambronero: (15:40) yeah! ;)
Hadja: (15:40) agree with Alan for general Doodle
Raf Fatani: (15:40) Thank you everyone - I need to go now!
Raf Fatani: (15:40) ciao ciao
Alan Greenberg: (15:41) Why no doodle every month, it takes a lot of effort and staff time to do this, and to get everyone to reply quickly. If we need to do this, we need to have a really strong rationale.
Leon Sanchez: (15:41) I support a general doodle
Leon Sanchez: (15:41) not a monthly
Fatima Cambronero: (15:41) it makes sense Alan..
Jimmy Schulz: (15:41) Doodle is fine with me. Important is that its in the google calendar.
Alan Greenberg: (15:41) And moving the meeting tends to result in less attendance and not more. People have other meetings to schedule (persoanl/business) that are often scheduled further out.
Beran Gillen: (15:42) heyyyy
Beran Gillen: (15:43) am purple!!
Fatima Cambronero: (15:43) ouch on December 3 is the MAG meeting :(
Holly Raiche: (15:44) Agree with Alan - it's easier to have a set time or times that can fit into everyone's calendar rather than wait for the result of doodles each time
Beran Gillen: (15:45) @fatima thought MAG is the 1 december
Eduardo Diaz: (15:45) In any case, the webminar is mostly for the rest of ALAC/ALs that are not as involved in the CWG
Fatima Cambronero: (15:46) @Beran is from 1 December to 3 December
Beran Gillen: (15:46) oh ok cool
Fatima Cambronero: (15:46) thanks @Eduardo
Eduardo Diaz: (15:46) So they will be able to comment on the proposal during the publci comment period
Eduardo Diaz: (15:47) yes and no
Vanda Scartezini: (15:47) I could follow the last meeting and was good participation from ALAN and Olivier qith good points.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (15:47) TheWebinars are there to expalin the issue to our community and to generate comments from our community into this process
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (15:47) you can comment individually and also help the ALAC in drafting a comment
Eduardo Diaz: (15:48) @Olivier +1
Fatima Cambronero: (15:49) no
Fatima Cambronero: (15:49) thanks for the clarification @Olivier
Fatima Cambronero: (15:49) In my case I can listen the record after the meeting
judith hellerstein: (15:49) OK i am orange
Wolf Ludwig: (15:50) Just FYI: I suggested in LA to add a EURALO Review to the ALAC Review.
Beran Gillen: (15:50) welcome aboard @judith
Vanda Scartezini: (15:51) I understood is all at large review
Wolf Ludwig: (15:53) @Vanda: but RALOs in particular were not included so far.
Terri Agnew: (15:53) @Holly, we are dialing back out to you
Vanda Scartezini: (15:53) @Wolf, should be
Glenn McKnight: (15:54) Link to the last review?
Glenn McKnight: (15:55) Not just a focus on problems I hope
Holly Raiche: (15:55) @Glen - no - more a look at where weare and where we are going - I hope
Vanda Scartezini: (15:55) cheryl points shall at least be listed to organize the task. to measure the size of the task we will face
Alan Greenberg: (15:55) At the last review, it was explicitly decided NOT to focus on RALOs and ALSes because that part of At-Large was just barely getting going at the time.
Glenn McKnight: (15:56) @holly i would hope so
Heidi Ullrich: (15:56) @Glenn, the final ALAC/AT-Large Improvements Report is at :https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=34603644
Glenn McKnight: (15:56) A balanced review of the achievements, challenges etc
Glenn McKnight: (15:57) @Olivier it reminds me of the testing for the sake of testing as in the Common Core course in the US.
Vanda Scartezini: (15:57) @ Glenn like the example
Holly Raiche: (15:58) @OCL - that is exactly what I am doing - be very clear what was recommended, what was done before the review. And yes, I also want a look at ATLAS II - as part ofwhere we want to be
sandra hoferichter: (15:58) I agree with Olivier too many reviews. This gives the impression we are just busy with our self.
Glenn McKnight: (15:58) It should be circling the wagons with ATLAS 2 recommendatoins
sandra hoferichter: (15:59) maybe a constant monitoring of our processes is the better approach.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (15:59) looking at one's own navel is distracting us from working with the world around us - our community and the people at-large
Glenn McKnight: (15:59) looking for lint
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (16:00) we don't need to find lint in there, reviews already produce enough fluff
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (16:00) :-)
Holly Raiche: (16:00) @ Alan - will go through the report and implementation first - and then discuss off line
Heidi Ullrich: (16:01) Periodic reviews of the AC/SOs are mandated by the ICANN Bylaws. See the Organizational Review page: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/reviews-2012-02-25-en
Fatima Cambronero: (16:01) my concern is that we don't have people to attend several simultaneous issues. We are involved in various processes at this time...
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (16:02) Is Thanksgiving Thursday and Friday?
Ariel Liang: (16:02) Thursday
judith hellerstein: (16:03) officially it is thursday
Vanda Scartezini: (16:03) HAPPY THANKSGIVING to all from US that respect it.
judith hellerstein: (16:03) but most places are closed friday as well
Holly Raiche: (16:03) Thanksgiving is onlyone day
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: (16:03) aaah -- so a bridge between Thursday & the week end?
Yubelkys Montalvo 2: (16:03) thank you
Leon Sanchez: (16:03) WOW we did it in 2 hours!
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (16:03) Thanks, Alan, all
Heidi Ullrich: (16:03) Thanks!!!
Leon Sanchez: (16:03) Congratulations!
sandra hoferichter: (16:03) bye all!
Alberto Soto: (16:03) Thanks!! Bye bye
Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (16:03) take care all
Leon Sanchez: (16:03) thanks everyone!
Ariel Liang: (16:03) Thank you!!! bye bye
Beran Gillen: (16:03) goodbye and good night
Allan Skuce: (16:03) Bye
Leon Sanchez: (16:03) bye bye
Jimmy Schulz: (16:03) bey
Fatima Cambronero: (16:03) Thanks Alan, all! bye
Hadja: (16:03) bye bye
Wolf Ludwig: (16:04) Thanks and bye
