07:45:03 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org To Everyone:
Welcome to APRALO ROP Review WG Call taking place on Tuesday, 28 November 2023 at 05:00 UTC.
07:45:20 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org To Everyone:
Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/MYDdE
07:52:28 From NAZMUL HASAN MAJUMDER To Everyone:
Greetings! Dear APRALO Members!
07:52:53 From Yeşim Saglam - ICANN Org To Everyone:
Welcome Nazmul
07:56:16 From Faheem Soomro To Everyone:
Hi Everybody, hope you are doing very well.
07:57:36 From Amrita Choudhury To Everyone:
Hello all
07:58:45 From Gisella Gruber’s iPhone (2) To Everyone:
Welcome to the APRALO ROP WG call
08:01:16 From Nabeel Yasin - www.nabeelyasin.net To Everyone:
Good morning everyone
08:01:27 From Abhishek Gautam To Everyone:
Hi Good Morning
08:01:29 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
You can take the helm today @Justine Chew
08:02:03 From Justine Chew To Everyone:
I don't need to @Cheryl Langdon-Orr you can lead us
08:02:31 From Gopal Tadepalli To Everyone:
Greetings.
08:07:21 From Amrita Choudhury To Everyone:
I am quite opne to this
08:07:23 From Amrita Choudhury To Everyone:
open
08:07:49 From Gopal Tadepalli To Everyone:
@Justine Chew Thank you very much for responding to my earlier comments. As of now, your responses are fine with me. However, in case need arises, I would refer to you for more creditworthy purposes than merely mentioning "at that time my good friend and colleague Justine Chew said..." - Dr. T V Gopal
08:09:06 From Maureen Hilyard To Everyone:
I think that if you are representative/voter from an ALS the you should not be an individual member (indiv members do not have voting rights)
08:09:10 From Amrita Choudhury To Everyone:
Agree with going with the recommendations of the mobilisation gr
08:10:58 From Maureen Hilyard To Everyone:
I go with the working party rec.
08:11:10 From Ashirwad Tripathy To Everyone:
I think the recommendation is good and well thought.
08:11:14 From Gopal Tadepalli To Everyone:
I agree with the recommendations of the mobilization working party.
08:12:10 From NAZMUL HASAN MAJUMDER To Everyone:
I applied as individual member recently.
08:12:29 From Priyatosh Jana To Everyone:
Replying to "I think that if you ..."
Individual members have voting rights but only one vote is counted from IM.
08:13:36 From Amrita Choudhury To Everyone:
Reacted to "I think that if you ..." with
08:16:39 From Maureen Hilyard To Everyone:
Is there a definition of Full Member just before this Member in Good Standing?
08:17:15 From NAZMUL HASAN MAJUMDER To Everyone:
Replying to "I think that if you ..."
I have already appli...
08:17:45 From Justine Chew To Everyone:
Replying to "Is there a definitio..."
No. Which is what I'm trying to clarify
08:18:15 From Maureen Hilyard To Everyone:
@NAZMUL HASAN MAJUMDER - not unless you are chosen by the other IMs to be their voting representative. There is only ONE vote from all the IMs (just as for an ALS)
08:19:24 From Maureen Hilyard To Everyone:
So there should be separate definitions for "Full Member" and "Member in Good Standing"
08:19:45 From Ashirwad Tripathy To Everyone:
Reacted to "So there should be s..." with
08:20:06 From Gopal Tadepalli To Everyone:
I agree to the usage of "Member in Good Standing". - Dr. T V Gopal
08:20:13 From NAZMUL HASAN MAJUMDER To Everyone:
Reacted to So there should be s... with
08:20:15 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
Quite possibly @Maureen Hilyard but we need to weave this all together
08:20:27 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
make sure we have any loopholes
08:22:19 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
A member in good standing may not be a Full Member at this point that's the issue as well, this is a chance to tidy up a lot of unclear terms
08:22:44 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
this is wordsmithing but important sordsmithing
08:23:45 From Amrita Choudhury To Everyone:
For clarity sake clear definitions would help
08:24:06 From Faheem Soomro To Everyone:
Reacted to "For clarity sake cle…" with
08:24:10 From Maureen Hilyard To Everyone:
Please let us know if you understand these two membership catagories.
08:24:35 From Gopal Tadepalli To Everyone:
@Cheryl Langdon-Orr Should we include a line "at the discretion of the Nominations Committee" and leave it at that on the semantics of "Good Standing". - Dr. T V Gopal
08:25:45 From Maureen Hilyard To Everyone:
Full member does not consider talents and character - but Member of Good standing does
08:27:06 From Maureen Hilyard To Everyone:
That's why we have to be clear when we are advertising a leadership position, then Full member AND of Goof standing would be important
08:27:21 From Maureen Hilyard To Everyone:
GOOD Standing
08:28:10 From Amrita Choudhury To Everyone:
Agree
08:29:43 From Gopal Tadepalli To Everyone:
I agree for "Member in GOOD Standing"
08:30:55 From Amrita Choudhury To Everyone:
8 looks good and realistic actually
08:32:04 From Abhishek Gautam To Everyone:
Need to drop off due to an urgent call.
08:32:18 From Abhishek Gautam To Everyone:
I will give my inputs in the shared document
08:32:32 From Maureen Hilyard To Everyone:
Should we say "eligible full members"? There may be several members from one ALS present at a meeting. Are they each "full members"?
08:33:09 From Justine Chew To Everyone:
Replying to "Should we say "eligi..."
It will be ALS not the reps
08:33:41 From Justine Chew To Everyone:
Replying to "Should we say "eligi..."
Without considering UIMs or IMs
08:35:17 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
Remember Quora levels are floors not ceilings but they can also look to aspects of diversity
08:35:39 From Maureen Hilyard To Everyone:
@Justine - is it "eligible representative of an ALS"
08:36:02 From Maureen Hilyard To Everyone:
PICISOC covers a region.. is that ONE person representative?
08:36:15 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
Yes Germany once had a HIUNGE number of ALSes as well (and not with the same population aspects to be considered
08:36:37 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
Hiunge should read HUGE
08:36:41 From Justine Chew To Everyone:
Replying to "@Justine - is it "el..."
It is ALS that counted for quorum
08:36:55 From Cheryl Langdon-Orr To Everyone:
Well noted Maureen
08:37:00 From Justine Chew To Everyone:
Replying to "@Justine - is it "el..."
*that is
08:38:39 From Maureen Hilyard To Everyone:
NARALO lists the ALS of the participants that attend their meetings.. And a quorum can be seen if there are 8 ALSes present.. if that's the way we go.
08:39:00 From Amrita Choudhury To Everyone:
yes
08:39:09 From Maureen Hilyard To Everyone:
Even if several members of an ALS are present
08:40:02 From Maureen Hilyard To Everyone:
We should be like the GAC and name our ALS rather then our personal names... just saying.
08:40:15 From Gopal Tadepalli To Everyone:
Quorum is essential in safeguarding the integrity of the decision-making process. Having a number included helps before the question on Trust or other ideologies come in for discussion. The number may prima facie appear random...but that is essential. - Dr. T V Gopal
08:41:05 From Maureen Hilyard To Everyone:
@Justine.. agree when you add IMs
08:42:06 From Maureen Hilyard To Everyone:
Yes this is only important for decisions
08:42:32 From Ashirwad Tripathy To Everyone:
Extremely sorry to take early leave from this important discussion. I will go through the recording and the document. I have to join another meeting.
08:42:45 From Maureen Hilyard To Everyone:
But we still need to have it in our ROPs for that eventuality
08:42:58 From Maureen Hilyard To Everyone:
Reacted to "Extremely sorry to t..." with
08:43:36 From Gopal Tadepalli To Everyone:
It is useful to note that Quorum is derived from Latin, which means “of whom”.
08:44:07 From Maureen Hilyard To Everyone:
IMs could be categorised according to geography, to give them more access to a decision making role
08:46:12 From Ashrafur Rahman Piaus To Everyone:
Agree with @Maureen Hilyard-CIIAG on IMs issue
08:48:46 From Gopal Tadepalli To Everyone:
Since ICANN is rooted in US, "Robert’s Rules of Order" may be consulted and duly adapted. The concern in Quorum is that the number counted must be there throughout the meeting.. not only at the start of the meeting. I suppose, we may want to detail any more than a chosen number. I am fine with EIght. - Dr. T V Gopal
08:49:00 From Maureen Hilyard-CIIAG To Everyone:
It would be good to take any new definitions discussed tonight to the APRALO list for others' comments before our next meeting
08:51:10 From Amrita Choudhury To Everyone:
Agree Justine
08:51:15 From Gopal Tadepalli To Everyone:
CORRECTION: Sorry please read: "I suppose, we may NOT want to detail any more than a chosen number. I am fine with Eight. - Dr. T V Gopal
08:53:08 From Maureen Hilyard-CIIAG To Everyone:
Exactly Cheryl.. we don't want to go overboard.. as long as everyone understands our definitions
08:54:37 From Amrita Choudhury To Everyone:
makes sense
08:55:29 From Gopal Tadepalli To Everyone:
Good Documentation such as what we are working on will ensure a Civilized Start for any concern that may happen in the foreseeable future. Thanks for spending time on this important work. - Dr. T V Gopal
08:56:03 From Amrita Choudhury To Everyone:
lol
08:56:12 From Maureen Hilyard-CIIAG To Everyone:
Reacted to "lol" with
08:58:17 From Bibek Silwal, Nepal To Everyone:
Reacted to "lol" with
08:58:18 From Maureen Hilyard-CIIAG To Everyone:
In SOI can we state that no one can apply for a leadership position without one?
08:58:26 From Gopal Tadepalli To Everyone:
For the Discussion: Some time back, I thought APRALO is a large region and 20 should be the quorum. However, on an average the regular meetings at the start just get into double figures. So EIGHT is pragmatic. We can work out on this to make is sound as some calculation as well. - Dr. T V Gopal
08:59:10 From Maureen Hilyard-CIIAG To Everyone:
Agree Cheryl
09:00:04 From Maureen Hilyard-CIIAG To Everyone:
Im OK with keeping it simple.. Justine
09:00:54 From Maureen Hilyard-CIIAG To Everyone:
Ok with that change
09:01:45 From Maureen Hilyard-CIIAG To Everyone:
Just gives more clarity
09:04:01 From Maureen Hilyard-CIIAG To Everyone:
Perhaps a definition for "selection" vs election?
09:05:07 From Maureen Hilyard-CIIAG To Everyone:
selection is specific for APRALO processes so we do need to have it in the definition setion
09:05:33 From Maureen Hilyard-CIIAG To Everyone:
section
09:05:45 From Amrita Choudhury To Everyone:
Agree to Cheryl
09:06:59 From Maureen Hilyard-CIIAG To Everyone:
If "selection" is described as Cheryl stated which could include an election... then it needs to be defined
09:07:34 From Gopal Tadepalli To Everyone:
I prefer "Selection". I gives a chance for more people to look into and decide rather than go by a simple number from the ballot box in learned and well regulated forums such as ICANN. For a large "unorganized / unregulated" society ballot is good i.e election. For ICANN, I prefer "Selection" - Dr. T V Gopal
09:08:28 From Maureen Hilyard-CIIAG To Everyone:
Do you want to use UIM or IM as you have for AP?
09:09:11 From Amrita Choudhury To Everyone:
ok with it personally
09:09:33 From Maureen Hilyard-CIIAG To Everyone:
Makes sense.. that person is representing a large group of our members..
09:10:28 From Maureen Hilyard-CIIAG To Everyone:
It means that the voice of the IMs is included into RALO LT decision making
09:11:37 From Amrita Choudhury To Everyone:
I will not be able to attend the call on 5th Dec. We have the India IGF
09:12:29 From Maureen Hilyard-CIIAG To Everyone:
Sounds good!!\
09:12:55 From Gopal Tadepalli To Everyone:
@Maureen Hilyard-CIIAG If one understands how to "manage control", "unaffiliated" ensures better transparency. One who has this well indicated may please be indicated as such. Justine has responded to my comment on this. - Dr. T V Gopal
09:13:15 From Nabeel Yasin - www.nabeelyasin.net To Everyone:
Thank you all , best regards
09:13:20 From Amrita Choudhury To Everyone:
Thanks everyone. Cheryl and Justine thanks for taking us through
09:13:36 From NAZMUL HASAN MAJUMDER To Everyone:
Thanks all
09:13:37 From Gopal Tadepalli To Everyone:
Thank you all.
09:13:41 From Ashrafur Rahman Piaus To Everyone:
Thanks
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