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15:41:02 From Yesim Nazlar : Welcome to the At-Large Capacity Building Webinar on the topic: DNS Abuse: “An End User Perspective” taking place on Wednesday 10 June 2020 at 13:00 UTC.
15:46:49 From Peters Omoragbon to All panelists : Hi everyone
15:55:03 From Priyatosh Jana to All panelists : hi everyone..
15:57:44 From Joanna Kulesza : Hi everyone, welcome, thank you for joining.
15:57:56 From Priyatosh Jana to All panelists : no audio....Yasim is it started
16:00:56 From Joanna Kulesza : We have not started yet Priyatosh
16:01:23 From Priyatosh Jana to All panelists : thanks Joanna
16:01:38 From Priyatosh Jana to All panelists : now clearly audible
16:02:31 From Javier Rua-Jovet to All panelists : Hi to all!; ¡Hola a todos!
16:02:39 From Yesim Nazlar : We will be starting shortly
16:02:50 From Javier Rua-Jovet : Hi to all!; ¡Hola a todos!
16:03:04 From Laxmi Prasad Yadav to All panelists : hi everyone
16:03:04 From Joanna Kulesza : Hi Javier, welcome!
16:03:09 From LILIAN IVETTE to All panelists : Hello to all
16:03:15 From Joanna Kulesza : Welcome Laxmi and Lilian!
16:03:19 From Olga Cavalli to All panelists : hello all from Argentina
16:03:27 From Yesim Nazlar to All panelists : Hi all - we’re waiting for Jonathan
16:03:29 From Michel TCHONANG to All panelists : Hi everyone
16:03:35 From Joanna Kulesza : Welcome Olga, thank you for joining.
16:03:35 From denisehochbaum to All panelists : Hello to all!
16:03:38 From LILIAN IVETTE to All panelists : thanks dear joanna
16:03:39 From Yesim Nazlar to All panelists : tried his line but goes to voicemail
16:03:57 From Laxmi Prasad Yadav to All panelists : thank you Joanna
16:04:12 From Yesim Nazlar to All panelists : shall we start without him, as we have a video from his side to display
16:04:29 From Joanna Kulesza to All panelists : Let's do that Yesim, if that's ok with Drew?
16:04:31 From K Mohan Raidu to All panelists : Greetings to all, -K Mohan Raidu Hyderabad, India
16:04:50 From Joanna Kulesza to All panelists : We'd start with the recording and then move to Drew, hoping Jonathan will join us when possible.
16:05:10 From Joanna Kulesza to All panelists : @Drew, would that work?
16:06:12 From Dave Kissoondoyal - ALAC to All panelists : Hello everyone
16:07:04 From Lillian Achom : Hi all..Greetings
16:07:39 From Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong : Hello all from Chad
16:07:43 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : Good morning everyone
16:07:54 From Daniel to All panelists : Hi everyone. Greetings!
16:08:01 From Hadia Elminiawi : Hello all
16:08:15 From Syuzan Marukhyan : Greetings from Armenia
16:08:30 From Wafa Dahmani Ep Zaafouri to All panelists : hello all
16:08:30 From BukkieO : Hello All, Greetings
16:13:53 From Maxim Alzoba : DDoS could be any service, not just DNS
16:13:58 From Michele Neylon (Blacknight) : +1 Maxim
16:14:09 From Michele Neylon (Blacknight) : we see plenty attacking IPs
16:14:18 From Jonathan Zuck to All panelists : True @Maxim
16:15:31 From Maxim Alzoba : the issue of ASCII 1 and i and I , zero and 0 is not resolved even in English
16:15:38 From Maxim Alzoba : so it is not just IDNs
16:16:53 From Claudia Ruiz to All panelists : Please write your questions in the Q & A Pod, thank you
16:17:10 From Javier Rua-Jovet : this quiz interface is great
16:17:37 From K Mohan Raidu : Very true Javier
16:17:59 From Maxim Alzoba : it is horrible - opening windows without a user asking
16:18:19 From Claudia Ruiz to All panelists : Real time transcription (RTT) available at : https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net] [streamtext.net]
16:18:31 From Claudia Ruiz : Real time transcription (RTT) available at : https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=ICANN [streamtext.net] [streamtext.net]
16:18:39 From Claudia Ruiz : Please write your questions in the Q & A Pod, thank you
16:21:34 From Maxim Alzoba : rain is not DNS Abuse
16:21:58 From Claudia Ruiz to ppoblete, All Panelists : Hi Patricio, we will take your question after the video, thank you
16:22:38 From Maxim Alzoba : ICANN is about factually based policy, so without proper facts it might not work
16:22:41 From Michele Neylon (Blacknight) : ridiculous
16:23:33 From Joanna Kulesza : Thank you for joining us Michele! Would be really great to have your views heard here.
16:24:23 From Javier Rua-Jovet : Michele, hey! what are you referring to?
16:24:36 From Michele Neylon (Blacknight) : Javier - the ridiculous statement about volume registrations
16:25:03 From Maxim Alzoba : Registries and Registrars have contracts with clients, and violating those is a bad idea
16:25:39 From Javier Rua-Jovet : ok thxxx Michele
16:25:49 From Dave Kissoondoyal - ALAC to All panelists : Thanks Jonathan
16:25:49 From Bill Jouris to All panelists : But those contracts do little to make them responsible for DNS abuse
16:26:01 From Michele Neylon (Blacknight) : I didn’t have a question
16:26:08 From Olga Cavalli to All panelists : nice video! challenging for not English speakers :)
16:26:11 From Priyatosh Jana to All panelists : share this video with us
16:26:19 From Claudia Ruiz to All panelists : @Jonathan - there is a question in the Q&A pod
16:26:27 From Priyatosh Jana to All panelists : it's very interesting and useful
16:26:29 From Maxim Alzoba : QUESTION Is it possible to provide facts on which numbers were based?
16:27:00 From Joanna Kulesza : @Maxim, it would be great if you could use the Q&A pod?
16:27:05 From Olévié Kouami / Sénégal to All panelists : Thanks for the présentations. Please, We need them available for end users.
16:27:21 From Maxim Alzoba : For the sake of transparency the chat was used
16:27:35 From Joanna Kulesza : We're trying out the webinar feature and this would help us to keep the queue. Thanks @Maxim!
16:28:51 From Olga Cavalli to All panelists : can we get the presentation of the video?
16:28:55 From Alan Woods (Donuts) : https://donuts.news/homograph-domain-protection
16:29:14 From Syuzan Marukhyan to All panelists : Thank you for the presentation
16:29:45 From Jonathan Zuck to All panelists : Michele, the correlation between volume registrations and dns abuse is well established. You know that Michele.
16:30:07 From Joanna Kulesza : @Olga, all presentations will be linked to our agenda on the CBWG wiki.
16:31:33 From Olga Cavalli to All panelists : thanks
16:32:12 From Hadia Elminiawi : @Alan W thanks
16:32:30 From Olga Cavalli to All panelists : @Alan thanks for the link
16:36:12 From David McAuley to All panelists : Joanna, is that wiki the one Jonathan mentioned? If not can you give the link? Thank you
16:36:16 From Jonathan Zuck to All panelists : @Maxim, MY references are all in the video. Which numbers were you after?
16:36:31 From Bill Jouris to All panelists : The Q`&A says it has an option to see all questions. But while it shows how many questions there are, it doesn't show the questions.
16:36:34 From Joanna Kulesza : @all you will find all resources from today on the At-Large Capacity Building and Resources Dashboard: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Capacity+Building+and+Resources+Dashboard
16:36:47 From Jonathan Zuck to All panelists : atlarge.wiki/dnsabuase
16:37:31 From Joanna Kulesza : @Bill, thank you for flagging this. Does clicking on the "answered" section of the pod not help?
16:37:55 From David McAuley to All panelists : Thanks for link
16:40:27 From Olévié Kouami / Sénégal to All panelists : thanks @joanna
16:40:30 From Bill Jouris to All panelists : Don't see an "answered", except a note on my question that it was answered live.
16:41:18 From Claudia Ruiz to Bill Jouris, All Panelists : Hi Bill, I made a change to the settings, not sure if it worked, can you see all the questions now?
16:41:31 From Joanna Kulesza : Thank you @Bill, that is noted.
16:41:43 From Maxim Alzoba to All panelists : RDAP is the next thing, WHOIS is going down
16:41:51 From Yesim Nazlar to Bill Jouris, All Panelists : Hi Bill - it’s because your question was answered live by Jonathan Zuck
16:41:54 From Bill Jouris to All panelists : Nope, both tabs (at the top) just show my question.
16:42:07 From Joanna Kulesza to All panelists : Do let me know if I could help in picking up Javier's question.
16:42:25 From Bill Jouris to All panelists : Yasim, yes, I understood that part
16:42:55 From Bill Jouris to All panelists : Just noting that I can't see other people's questions
16:43:04 From Jonathan Zuck to All panelists : Actually, @Maxim, WHOIS still exists with reduced information although the truly useful data WILL require RDAP
16:43:15 From Pablo Rodriguez ([.pr] ccNSO Council) : @Drew Excellent presentation and tips!!
16:43:35 From Priyatosh Jana to All panelists : nice tips
16:44:03 From Maxim Alzoba to All panelists : At-Large should educate users about RDAP to protect their interests better
16:44:41 From Michele Neylon (Blacknight) : I don’t think the average user is going to go to that trouble for every new link they see
16:44:51 From Claudia Ruiz to Bill Jouris, All Panelists : @Bill - Thank you for confirming and pointing this out, I think the changes did not take effect because the Webinar already started, this is noted for future webinars, thank you.
16:45:25 From Jonathan Zuck to All panelists : @Maxim, why would end users care about RDAP? Won’t there be more end user friendly UIs for requesting information?
16:45:27 From Maxim Alzoba to All panelists : proactive is a punishment without the crime and it violates contracts
16:46:06 From Jonathan Zuck to All panelists : @Maxim, .EU has worked it out. They just slow the process down. There’s no punishment.
16:46:16 From Bill Jouris to All panelists : @Claudia, there are always glitches the first few times out
16:46:46 From Maxim Alzoba to All panelists : high number is not a number, it is just words
16:48:48 From Michele Neylon (Blacknight) : ICANN contracts DO NOT cover ccTLDs
16:49:32 From Maxim Alzoba to All panelists : very few of ccTLDs have contracts with ICANN for various reasons, including tax requirements
16:52:03 From Maxim Alzoba to All panelists : DNS affected
16:54:01 From Maxim Alzoba to All panelists : only abusing party can prevent all abuse
16:54:42 From Maxim Alzoba : RDAP is the next thing, WHOIS is going down
. At-Large should educate users about RDAP to protect their interests better
16:55:20 From Jonathan Zuck to All panelists : @Maxim, why would end users care about RDAP? Won’t there be more end user friendly UIs for requesting information?
16:55:23 From Jeff Bedser to All panelists : +1 Maxim
16:55:44 From Joanna Kulesza to All panelists : @Maxim, your suggestion for a RDAP webinar is noted.
16:55:54 From Joanna Kulesza : @Maxim, your suggestion for a RDAP webinar is noted.
16:57:08 From Olga Cavalli to All panelists : Hi colleagues excellent webinar thanks for the invitation, I must attend another call now. Be safe and best regards
16:57:44 From Maxim Alzoba : some of us providing such training, so the quiz in not full
16:57:59 From Joanna Kulesza : Thanks for joining us @Olga!
16:58:20 From Olévié Kouami / Sénégal to All panelists : +1
16:58:24 From David McAuley to All panelists : Thanks panelists for presentations
16:58:27 From Maxim Alzoba : thanks all
16:58:45 From Olévié Kouami / Sénégal to All panelists : organizations need trainings
16:58:48 From Betty Fausta : thanks very much. Betty
16:58:49 From Michel TCHONANG to All panelists : thank all
16:58:51 From Hadia Elminiawi : Thank you so much Drew and Jonathan
16:58:53 From Dave Kissoondoyal - ALAC to All panelists : Thanks @Drew
16:58:57 From Syuzan Marukhyan to All panelists : Thank you very much!
16:59:02 From Michele Neylon (Blacknight) : The bulk of Covid related domains we handled were 100% legit
16:59:21 From Laxmi Prasad Yadav to All panelists : thank everyone
16:59:38 From Michele Neylon (Blacknight) : making broad sweeping statements about abuse without any hard facts is just hyperbolic and a waste of time - great for grabbing headlines - nothing else
16:59:39 From Jeff Bedser to All panelists : @Michele - i had the same experience.
16:59:49 From Maxim Alzoba : proactive actions are going to be like ‘minority report’
17:00:06 From Laxmi Prasad Yadav to All panelists : how to check valid domain name
17:00:29 From David McAuley to All panelists : I need to leave, but thanks again for all who put this presentation together
17:01:27 From Jonathan Zuck to All panelists : @Michele, which data are you missing? Happy to track it down.
17:02:58 From Hadia Elminiawi : Thank you Olivier for this comment
17:03:23 From Olévié Kouami / Sénégal to All panelists : you are welcome
17:03:59 From Michele Neylon (Blacknight) : +1 Pablo
17:04:05 From Michele Neylon (Blacknight) : it’s a slippery slope
17:04:12 From Jothan Frakes to All panelists : +1 pablo
17:04:44 From Michele Neylon (Blacknight) : Pre-crime
17:04:55 From Maxim Alzoba : IP addresses are used in all Abuse on the Internet, it does not mean IANA , as a largest Registry is responcible
17:06:27 From Dave Kissoondoyal - ALAC : whois.com
17:07:15 From Michele Neylon (Blacknight) : the “report” was written by two people
17:07:19 From ISOC Chapter-Support to All panelists : Never mind. I was going to say something about bulk registration which is being addressed
17:07:22 From Michele Neylon (Blacknight) : hardly scientific
17:07:23 From Jonathan Zuck to All panelists : There are MANY studies that show that correlation, not just Dave’s
17:07:28 From Michele Neylon (Blacknight) : or a bed rock of data
17:08:11 From Michele Neylon (Blacknight) : these broad sweeping statements are dangerous and terribly misinformed
17:08:23 From Jonathan Zuck to All panelists : Which statements, Michele?
17:08:26 From Michele Neylon (Blacknight) : What constitutes “bulk”?
17:08:29 From Michele Neylon (Blacknight) : 5 domains?
17:08:32 From Michele Neylon (Blacknight) : 50?
17:08:34 From Michele Neylon (Blacknight) : 500?
17:09:05 From Jonathan Zuck to All panelists : Even if we say 500, it would make a difference
17:09:52 From Jothan Frakes to All panelists : false positive takedown in bulk can be oppressive. data is often ham-fisted and developed absent the consequences and costs
17:10:23 From Michele Neylon (Blacknight) : The .eu system was “tweaked” for COVID as demanded by the EC and the impact was horrible
17:11:21 From Pablo Rodriguez ([.pr] ccNSO Council) : Can you imagine forcing hardware stores to identify the intent of those who are trying to by a hammer or ax?
17:11:30 From Maxim Alzoba : Is it possible to know if those experts worked for ICANN accredited ROs or RRs?
17:12:08 From Jonathan Zuck to All panelists : Which experts, @Maxim?
17:12:18 From Michele Neylon (Blacknight) : @pablo - exactly
17:12:24 From Bill Jouris to All panelists : But I can imagine those hardware stores being expected to know that those trying to buy lock picks have malign intent
17:13:38 From Rubens Kuhl : We tried to hire pre-cogs to fight DNS abuse, but there is a shortage of those in the labor market.
17:14:00 From Jothan Frakes to All panelists : like toilet paper is restricted in quantity currently
17:14:05 From Michele Neylon (Blacknight) : In Ireland you’re limited to the number of paracetamol you can buy in a single transaction
17:14:13 From Joanna Kulesza : Not sure we want to get to gun laws in this particular webinar.
17:14:14 From Maxim Alzoba : electricity is used by almost all hackers, so it might not help
17:14:16 From Michele Neylon (Blacknight) : Of course you can easily go to multiple shops
17:14:26 From Michele Neylon (Blacknight) : or just go to a different checkout each time
17:15:27 From Michele Neylon (Blacknight) : All this focusses on the negative - you’re forgetting that all of these “solutions” have massive negative impact on the innocent businesses trying to setup their online presence
17:15:44 From Michele Neylon (Blacknight) : Especially at a time when economies are collapsing
17:15:58 From Jonathan Zuck to All panelists : Michele, can you share your data on that?
17:16:46 From Michele Neylon (Blacknight) : you can’t know - anything you do is a "guess"
17:17:52 From Jothan Frakes to All panelists : Who subsidizes the costs of all of this?
17:18:09 From Rubens Kuhl : Michele, I can give an example of that. Someone reported a domain with covid to us; the domain was used in a good way for a covid fighting app so we haven't not suspended the domain. But while investing that, we flagged that the registrant was a deceased company. We had no option but to act, registrant couldn't access the company officers and the domain ended up frozen.
17:18:34 From Joanna Kulesza : @Jonathan, I'd encourage you to use the Q&A pod, unless that's a rethorical question.
17:18:59 From Joanna Kulesza : Apologies, @Jothan.
17:19:21 From Michele Neylon (Blacknight) : Rubens - sure - we see that kind of stuff too from time to me
17:19:23 From Michele Neylon (Blacknight) : time
17:19:26 From Michele Neylon (Blacknight) : damn typing
17:22:08 From Maxim Alzoba : upfront actions are not possible - it is punishment without a crime
17:22:36 From Jonathan Zuck to All panelists : @Maxim, friction is not exactly “punishment.”
17:23:25 From Bill Jouris to All panelists : "punishment without crime" or "prevention ala vaccination"?
17:24:20 From Jothan Frakes to All panelists : appreciate the panel. we are not doing nothing in cph
17:27:04 From Jonathan Zuck to All panelists : I’ll get you the other studies. No need to focus on the Interstile Report
17:28:05 From Drew Bagley to All panelists : The focus of this presentation was on DNS abuse related to covid-19, so those examples were consequently highlighted.
17:28:57 From Jonathan Zuck to All panelists : No one is talking about blocking terms, Michele.
17:29:53 From Jonathan Zuck to All panelists : And you KNOW there are those examples but the contracts prevent taking action. We ARE engaged in active dialog, Michele.
17:29:55 From Michele Neylon (Blacknight) : Need to run to another meeting
17:30:43 From Angela Matlapeng- .bw to All panelists : This was a very informative presentation and super engaging.. look forward to more like this
17:31:34 From Jothan Frakes to All panelists : thank you Drew and Jonathan. appreciate you are trying to do good, just like most of the cph, where we can. zoom poll was cool mojo
17:32:45 From Bill Jouris to All panelists : The ability of the contracted parties to take offense and thereby oppose (or at least massively delay) taking any action at all is truly impressive
17:32:47 From Maureen Hilyard (ALAC) : At-Large will be presenting two more sessions on DNS Abuse within the ICANN68 programme, so more opportunities for further dialogue.
17:33:07 From Maxim Alzoba : thanks all, another meeting
17:33:37 From Hanan Khatib to All panelists : thank you all
17:34:16 From Jothan Frakes to All panelists : q1 alac list
17:34:16 From Joanna Kulesza to All panelists : Thank you @Drew and @Jonathan! Would it be possible to give a quick reply to the lingering Q in the pod?
17:35:47 From Rubens Kuhl : You might want to ask about time of the webinar to those that haven't attended it.
17:35:58 From Syuzan Marukhyan to All panelists : thank you all
17:36:52 From Bill Jouris to All panelists : @Rubens, point well take
17:37:06 From Joanna Kulesza : Thank you @Rubens. We tried to target this timing at APRALO. We have held it at other time before.
17:38:07 From Laxmi Prasad Yadav : thank you very much
17:38:34 From Gnanajeyaraman Rajaram to All panelists : Thank you very much
17:38:43 From Dave Kissoondoyal - ALAC : Thanks and bye to all
17:38:50 From Pablo Rodriguez ([.pr] ccNSO Council) : @Jonathan - The video intro was awesome
17:38:58 From Hamdan Hamoda to All panelists : Thanks you
17:38:58 From Jothan Frakes to All panelists : thanks all
17:38:59 From Gisella Gruber : AtLarge ICANN68: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/ICANN68+-+June+2020
17:39:06 From Pablo Rodriguez ([.pr] ccNSO Council) : Keep safe all!
17:39:21 From Kaydian Smith Newton : Keep Safe Bye!