sandra hoferichtetr:Hello Hosts, what is the conference ID?
Nathalie Peregrine:1638
Nathalie Peregrine:followed by the # sign
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Hi everyone!
Heidi Ullrich:I've contacted Wolf via Skype
Heidi Ullrich:Hi Sala!
Heidi Ullrich:Welcome, Wolf!
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Hi Heidi! Welome Wolf!
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:i can try and contact Avri
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Thanks Sandra :)
Wolf Ludwig:Strongly agreed.
Wolf Ludwig:I have a question of "principle" regarding composition of this WG?
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Question: Will we engage in a survey?
Wolf Ludwig:A survey normally needs much preparations -- don't know whether we have a time frame for this?
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:quick one
Wolf Ludwig:I think these differences can be discussed on the WG Working list ...
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I agree that it can be discussed on the WG list
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:just a comment: I think we need to fix in a very clear way what is our scope first.
Wolf Ludwig:Yes, Carlos, you are right.
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Yes I agree at least the scope is clear from what Sandra has just described
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:so we will leave the Task Force within ALAC to look at the Survey
Avri Doria:url please?
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Tijani has his hands raised
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I can't quite hear what Tijani is saying
Heidi Ullrich:https://community.icann.org/display/Improve/ICANN+Academy+Proposal
Olivier Crepin-Leblond 2:The budget should be passed by the ALAC Finance & Budget Sub-committee before submitting.
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:We are working a bit back to front
Olivier Crepin-Leblond 2:In fact, a special template needs to be used for al budget requests
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:because if the Task force is responsible for setting the mandate, then....
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:something to think about OCL
Olivier Crepin-Leblond 2:So I would suggest a deadline for the this group to have a budget ready, so be several days before the 20th Jan deadline, as Tijani has mentioned
Wolf Ludwig 2:This approach to include ALL ICANN communities BUT being specified on officers is included!
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:our budget is very related with our WG scope & and of course with what we want , whta is our goal
Avri Doria:let not rename it just yet.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond 2:I cannot hear anything. Have I been dropped?
Avri Doria:let figure out what it is, and then see if the name is the right name.
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Carlos I think it's on the wiki
Avri Doria:Olivier, i can still heare
Heidi Ullrich:OCL, can you hear now?
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:@sala, yes I saw but I think we need to ratify this
Nathalie Peregrine:@Olivier, we're dialling out to you
Heidi Ullrich:Thanks, Nathalie!
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Is the ICANN Academy a physical meeting or otherwise?
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:This will also have an implication on the budget
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:of course!
Avri Doria:can we also include new staff in the training? they need it too.
Heidi Ullrich:A physical meeting - but with e-learning tools I believe, Sala.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond 2:back
Olivier Crepin-Leblond 2:thanks!
Heidi Ullrich:b) an enhanced 20 hours lecture programme for new appointed ICANN officers for the board, councils and advisory committees (financed by ICANN)
Wolf Ludwig:@Avri -- new Staff members were mentioned as pot. target group as well.
Avri Doria:i think they need it equally with the new volunteer officers.
Avri Doria:epsecially those who work intimately with WGs etc.
Wolf Ludwig:At THIS stage it's oriented towards the officer level -- what makes a difference to general capacity building programs. It's based on an EuroSSIG level and NOT on the introductory Diplo courses ...
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:I think we need to build our capacity building program, taking in account differents models
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I agree with Carlos
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:We need to find out what method is conducive and beneficial for ICANN
sandra hoferichtetr:@Sala: this is not what this WG wat set up
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:@ Sandra, to jump to the 20 hour training, we are choosing a methodology without going through the process
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:of discussions of methodology
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:we can make some changes to improve our work, I believe
sandra hoferichtetr:goog point olivier
Wolf Ludwig:Agree, Olivier.
Avri Doria:ok, so we don't call it phred.
Avri Doria:it can be ICANN Academy program for occiffers
Avri Doria:and there can be an ICANN Academy program for new particpants later.
Avri Doria:and an ICANN Academy program for new staff if that is wanted.
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:@Olivier Agree
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Keep the name
Wolf Ludwig:I think the *purpose* and focus is clearly described in the proposal ...
Olivier Crepin-Leblond 2:For discussion notes: OCL echoed what Avri said, ICANN Academy, the term has gained recognition within ICANN. There is a demand for capacity building, for example in Africa, as seen in Dakar. ----> but capacity building of communities is a totally different animal that is currently being performed by RALOs
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Which is why having the electronic learning will be cheaper
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I agree Sandra about the volunteers
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:cheaper
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:something to subsidise their accomodation for arriving early
Wolf Ludwig 2:If we reduce these two posts we can save 30'000 $ at least ...
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I agree
Olivier Crepin-Leblond 2:Sala: how much time would it take to do 20 hours of electronic learning? NomCom appointees have 1 month from the moment they are told they are appointed to the time the next ICANN meeting takes place
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:@ Olivier you just answered your question
Wolf Ludwig 2:50 to 60'000 $ for such a project sounds reasonable but seems *essential* ...
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:2o hours training online can benefit 5000 people at any one time
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:prescribed course material online etc
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:specific to ICANN issues
Wolf Ludwig 2:@ Sala: Having been on several Diplo courses, you don't have this immediate community building effects you have at the Summer Schools -- and community building for incoming offers - and cross-constituancies -- is crucial!
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:experts can tutor from the comfort of their homes
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:cheaper
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:i agree to incorporate both
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:let it culminate in the physical meeting
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:just a thought
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:anyway my views are raised and on record
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:at the end of the day it's consensus
Olivier Crepin-Leblond 2:Sala: I remain skeptical that anyone would have 20 hours that they could devote to electronically in a month, at short notice
Heidi Ullrich:Having staff or ICANN AC/SO and regional leaders as lecturers might also help with mentoring of the new leaders.
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:trust me
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Olivier new officers are doing inter skypes and training themselves
Wolf Ludwig 2:The physical approach was THE basis of this proposal at least!
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:yes Wolf
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:back to the physical meeting
Olivier Crepin-Leblond 2:Sala: I am all for a capacity buiklding programme that will be run by RALOs for the At-Large that can be done using e-learning, and 100% for the expanding of our communities in this way, but the project we are speaking about here, is specifically one where everyone meets everyone else F2F
Heidi Ullrich:Yes, that is possible, Sandra
Wolf Ludwig 2:Don't like Google spaces prefer ours ;-)
Avri Doria:@wolf: polical preference of tool based preference?
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I will be on record for raising reservations on methodology in terms of competition on the capacity building budget but recognise the limitations of this Working Group
Olivier Crepin-Leblond 2:matrix ---> Table?
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I agree with Sandra's proposal about the google document etc
Wolf Ludwig 2:@Avri: Yes, political ;-)
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:now is clear thanks olivier
Avri Doria:ah, well then etherpads work better than our wiki. wiki only allow one person to edit at a time, which etherpads of various types don't limit. (i have sold my life to Android and thus find that google is like the government to me, a necessary evil)
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:lol @ Avri's comment
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:We will receive your Table
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Yes, I agree
Wolf Ludwig 2:@Avri: have still difficulties to accept "necessary evils ;-)
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I agree there will be a need for more conference calls or skype calls for the Working Committee
Olivier Crepin-Leblond 2:You need more
Avri Doria:@wolf i understand, i surrendered to the politics of the possible a while back. though i do not think of it as accepting, merely using when it is to my advantgae. but seriously there are freeware etherpads that are not google docs. but i am comfortable with the wiki.
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:This time is perfect
Wolf Ludwig 2:@Avri: Will continue this tool discussion around a good wine ...
Avri Doria:@wolf works for me.
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Thanks Sandra, this has been very clear, the scope and limitations etc so we can focus specifically on the physical 20 hour meetings
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:lecture
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I am happy to attend the calls every week if it is this time
Wolf Ludwig 2:Let's envisage a tough schedule and relax when we don't need it!
Olivier Crepin-Leblond 2:yes
Olivier Crepin-Leblond 2::-)
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I have been on holiday since November
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:happy to work through the holidays
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:sorry I cant unmuted
Nathalie Peregrine:you'e unmuted Carlos
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Can Carlos have a proxy?
Olivier Crepin-Leblond 2:Carlos -- you can also contribute online! :-)
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:of course
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:sadly Carlos, we don't have much time
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:thanks
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:because we have a deadline on 20th January
Wolf Ludwig 2:@ the note taker: I didn't suggest to reduce the costs of the pilot phase down to 20'000. I suggested to reduce 30'000 from the existing budget aligning the pilot costs to 50 - 60'000 $
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Thanks Heidi
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:we would like to continue
Avri Doria:i can stay
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:I have 15 minutes more
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I am cut off
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:what was Wolf saying about Olga?
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:can somebody dial out to me please
Heidi Ullrich:We'll dial out to you
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:the transcripts have stopped
Nathalie Peregrine:@ Sala we're dialling out to you
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:the last I heard was that he has a concern
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:can someone update me please?
Olivier Crepin-Leblond 2:I appear to have been cut off the call again
Wolf Ludwig 2:I don't doubt on her capacities, Carlos BUT on her present function!
Wolf Ludwig 2:Her present function being a GAC member st THIS moment!
Nathalie Peregrine:we're dialling out to you Olivier
Heidi Ullrich:I've been disconnected twice....
Wolf Ludwig 2:@Avri: You and Bill etc. are RALO members since a long time!
Avri Doria:yes, i know. but so is Olga in LACRALO. so unless they kick her out, she is also a ALO/ALS
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:There are many people in ICANN who wear many hats
Avri Doria:and the question was not about Bill, a dI , was just checking as to to whether this was only opne to At-Large members.
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:MY opinion is we need to respect the ALAC bylaws , if ALAC bylws allowd all is ok
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Actually her appointment to the GAC is as proxy for Government
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:if she is a member of LACRALO, you can't exclude her
Wolf Ludwig 2:Come on, we are also discussing questions of *conflicts of interests*!
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:precisely if we take this stand, then we have to be uniform everywhere else within At Large
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:the question is are we ready?
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:I strongly support the idea an Open WG
Wolf Ludwig 2:@Sala: I disagree! I cannot be member of GAC and ALAC the same time as I like!
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:She can't be in ALAC
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:but can be part of At Large
Heidi Ullrich:Should this Group vote or the larger WG?
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:by virtue of her membership in an accredited ALS
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:we should not vote
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:i agree
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:non voting rights
Wolf Ludwig 2:Observer is acceptable ...
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:but can participate
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:maybe as GAC Liaison officer
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:lol
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:hahaha
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:kidding
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:Olga is the Best - Academicaly talking, no doubt.
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:We understand Wolf and appreciate you raising it, I agree that there is some conflict but it is resolved with the non voting aspects
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Thanks Sandra, Wolf, Tijani, OCL, Avri, Carlos
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Merry Christmas and Sandra you have our full support :)
Wolf Ludwig 2:Wish you all splendid holidays!
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:merry christmas for all
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Thank you Heidi, Matt and Natalie
Nathalie Peregrine:Thank you Sala!
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Thank you Silvia
Silvia Vivanco:You are welcome Sala
