Yesim Nazlar:Welcome to the EURALO Bylaws Taskforce Call on Wednesday, 10 May 2017 at 16:00 UTC
Florian Hule:hi everyone
Matthieu Camus:Thank you! Good evening everyone!
Oksana Prykhodko:Hi everyone!
Silvia Vivanco:Hello everyone!
Erich Schweighofer:Hi everyone.
JJS (Jean-Jacques Subrenat):Hello All!
Oksana Prykhodko:bad sound(
JJS (Jean-Jacques Subrenat):Florian, your audio is coming and going: could you speak closer to the mic.?
Yesim Nazlar:@Florian: can we dial-out to you for a better audio please?
JJS (Jean-Jacques Subrenat):better
Oksana Prykhodko:better
Oksana Prykhodko:I am for ICANN Ombudsman
JJS (Jean-Jacques Subrenat):Thanks Florian. Quick remarks: under Dispute Settlement, Swiss litigation is EXPENSIVE; under Quorum, the usual expression is "simple majority".
JJS (Jean-Jacques Subrenat):@Olivier +1, escalation: EURALO Board, then ICANN Ombudsman.
Oksana Prykhodko:Does EURALO Board decision or ICANN Ombudsman will have obligatory mandate?
JJS (Jean-Jacques Subrenat):@Florian: 3 months seems reasonable.
Wolf Ludwig:let's call it "in due time" ...
Florian Hule:Due-time can vary very much.
Erich Schweighofer:We should have a clear term, maybe a possibility of extension by the EURALO Board.
JJS (Jean-Jacques Subrenat):@Oksana: I don't think it would be mandatory, but "advice" which it would be in our interest to follow.
Silvia Vivanco:Ombudsman Article 5 By Laws: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_governance_bylaws-2Den_-23article5&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mrDeztziKLa7gZqGADzxcnHA3QXmXYsnChWYBR4NElI&m=Pu6GBGCt-kiqGDQZSuuP_TjqWVPNBYlCZkglhnPDZI8&s=1LU8e3qrTVxcKN5fOEUPiiANczxohCWadtiqWljxwFA&e=
Oksana Prykhodko:I will not go to Swiss court, but I would be happy to have any dispute-resolution mechanisms in EURALO/ICANN
Oksana Prykhodko:Besides, ICANN Ombudsman's decisions are confidential, am I rigft?
JJS (Jean-Jacques Subrenat):@Olivier: as far as I know, the Ombudsman cannot enforce any resolution; he/she advises the party having brought the case to him/her, but reports only to the Board.
Wolf Ludwig:Just BTW: The upper authority of the EURALO Association is the General Assembly = total of members!
JJS (Jean-Jacques Subrenat):Florian: bad audio.
Silvia Vivanco:@ Oksana : Complaints to the ombudsman are completely confidential. The fact that you have made a complaint is never disclosed unless you expressly waive confidentiality. This is very important for those who are concerned about an imbalance of power and consequences if a complaint is made.
JJS (Jean-Jacques Subrenat):@Silvia reminds us of an important point. And, as indicated above, as far as I know the Ombudsman CANNOT ENFORCE.
Oksana Prykhodko:@Silvia Thank you. I am asking about Ombudsman's decision
Silvia Vivanco:The ICANN Ombudsman has jurisdiction over complaints which arise from things which happen in the communityThe Ombudsman cannot make, change or set aside a policy, administrative or Board decision, act, or omission, but may investigate these events, and to use ADR technique to resolve them and make recommendations as to changes.
Oksana Prykhodko:So, for can be the role of Ombudsman?
Erich Schweighofer:So, then why not go for arbitration?
Yesim Nazlar:Florian is now on the bridge
JJS (Jean-Jacques Subrenat):@Oksana: his role would be that of honest arbitration.
Silvia Vivanco:More info on Ombudsman scope of action : https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_system_files_files_ombudsman-2Dtrifold-2Dv02-2Dletter-2D04oct16-2Den.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mrDeztziKLa7gZqGADzxcnHA3QXmXYsnChWYBR4NElI&m=Pu6GBGCt-kiqGDQZSuuP_TjqWVPNBYlCZkglhnPDZI8&s=SRPEClawErOF4WuPmkshZKUKJvE3IR746RxEksoiqfk&e=
Oksana Prykhodko:@JJS We are talking about willing to reach consensus - even with the help of Ombudsman. If there is no will for such consensus?
Oksana Prykhodko:GA by mayority?
JJS (Jean-Jacques Subrenat):@Oksana: Wolf is just replying to that question.
Oksana Prykhodko:@JJS I posted another one)
JJS (Jean-Jacques Subrenat):Erich, please speak more loudly!
Wolf Ludwig:We are talking about hypothtical scenarios ... but finally you cannot circumvent the upper to final authority of the GA!
JJS (Jean-Jacques Subrenat):@Staff: under Action Items #3, I suppose you should make clear that it would be EURALO General Assembly?...
JJS (Jean-Jacques Subrenat):@Staff: thanks.
Oksana Prykhodko:@Erich extrmely interesting point!
Silvia Vivanco:@ JJS yes I have added EURALO GA
JJS (Jean-Jacques Subrenat):@Silvia, thanks.
Florian Hule:1what about barring members of the GA from voting if they have a conflict of interest? We use that in the Austrian Limited Liability Companies.
Erich Schweighofer:o.k. for optional. It should be also not too time-consuming and too complicated.
JJS (Jean-Jacques Subrenat):Staff: under Action Item on Dispute Settlement, point 3, better put "Arbitration (3 EURALO Members designated randomly, or volunteers)": would this be ok?
Wolf Ludwig:It was always managed via ICANN ...
Silvia Vivanco:Current Articles of Incorporation on Funding : https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_display_EURALO_Articles-2Bof-2BAssociation&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mrDeztziKLa7gZqGADzxcnHA3QXmXYsnChWYBR4NElI&m=Pu6GBGCt-kiqGDQZSuuP_TjqWVPNBYlCZkglhnPDZI8&s=U6-kkv_IvV9oNbbF2HvYWqSKzK2islaHlTYMXjIuTP8&e=
Silvia Vivanco:Part E - FINANCIAL MATTERS 7 Funds of the Association
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond:In pervious discussions, the consensus was to scrap section 7 altogether
Erich Schweighofer:An association without the option for a bank account is not ideal. I
Roberto Gaetano:In the beginning there were also some people who wanted to have EURALO financially independent from ICANN, therefore a financial management was needed.
Roberto Gaetano:(continue) This approach was abandoned
Wolf Ludwig:@Erich: Life as such is never "ideal" :-)!
Oksana Prykhodko:The more I hear you, the more i am becoming convinced, that Ukrainian law is the best just now!
Wolf Ludwig:It's a common standard for all RALOs!
Erich Schweighofer:"Solange" wording - o.k.
Erich Schweighofer:We do not do it NOW but EURALO Board can decide on that later, not requiring a change of By-Laws
Roberto Gaetano:If we have a bank account, we definitively need a Treasurer
Wolf Ludwig:If you start dealing with own budgets and money, then you consequently need Revisoren, auditors etc.
JJS (Jean-Jacques Subrenat):@Olivier: under US law, this step would create huge difficulties, e.g. inconsistency between the status of ICANN as a whole (501(b)) and one of its small parts i.e. EURALO.
Erich Schweighofer:Yes - we need auditors, one of the EURALO members can do this. For very few transactions, that is done very quickely.
JJS (Jean-Jacques Subrenat):... and an Audit Committee!
Wolf Ludwig:And almost NO realistic chance ...
Erich Schweighofer:@JJS - under Austrian law, we all do this we 100.000's of associations - without much problems.
JJS (Jean-Jacques Subrenat):@Erich: well, the US is not yet a member of the EU, and fiscal dispositions are quite different.
Erich Schweighofer:Roles of treasurer, auditor etc. are necessary, but with few transactions, that is a non-brainer
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond:The table of Quorum proposals (Google Doc) that I put together for 2016EURALO GA : https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_2q1ziw4&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mrDeztziKLa7gZqGADzxcnHA3QXmXYsnChWYBR4NElI&m=Pu6GBGCt-kiqGDQZSuuP_TjqWVPNBYlCZkglhnPDZI8&s=qGLYoMPBG2Y28yKZhR8zYbFl6k9WbpbPT6MjasPSSwQ&e=
Roberto Gaetano:Can we have a table that summarizes what are the benefits of having a bank account and what are the obligations that derive from this under Swiss law?
JJS (Jean-Jacques Subrenat):@Quorum: in the very useful draft under our eyes, I suggest we use the common expression "by simple majority" (instead of "single majority").
Erich Schweighofer:Make it more simple - 1/2 quorum; if more are coming - great!
Florian Hule:I am terribley sorry. I am only to write for the last 5 minutes.
Roberto Gaetano:@Erich +1
Oksana Prykhodko:In Copenhagen, as far as I know< even those members, who were in Copenhagen, did not participate in GA
Erich Schweighofer:Quorum 1/2, simple majority, but at least 2/6 members voting
Roberto Gaetano:For non funded F2F meetings we still have the possibility to join remotely
Florian Hule:Sorry everyone. I have to leave now, my next assingement is about to start. Goodbye and until next time!
Silvia Vivanco:Thank you Florian!
Wolf Ludwig:I agree to this suggestion to penalize not attending members when funded.
Roberto Gaetano:@Oksana & Wolf: +1
JJS (Jean-Jacques Subrenat):@Oksana, Wolf, Roberto: +1.
JJS (Jean-Jacques Subrenat):Goodbye All!
Oksana Prykhodko:Thank you all, bye!
Silvia Vivanco:Staff will send a doodle for next call in 2 weeks
Matthieu Camus:Thank you, bye!
Erich Schweighofer:Servus from Vienna
