Gisella Gruber-White:Welcome to the Program Committee call on Thursday 26 January 2012
Gisella Gruber-White:Please note that the whole WG Doodle is being prepared (I was waiting for 2 other Doodle polls to close). Thank you
Sandra Hoferichter:Thank you Gisella
Heidi Ullrich:Agenda for today's call is: https://community.icann.org/display/Improve/At-Large+ICANN+Academy+Program+Committee++26-01-2012
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Good Morning from Fiji!
Heidi Ullrich:REvised budget: https://community.icann.org/display/Improve/At-Large+ICANN+Academy+Budget+-+Revised+January+2012
Wolf Ludwig:We were all there at the last ALAC call :-)
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Awesome Sandra
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:What is the place called?
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Off site option is better and before ICANN meets
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:The European Summer School model is proof that for face to face off site option works perfectly
Wolf Ludwig:+ 1 for the offsite option.
Wolf Ludwig:Agree with Sala's reasoning ...
avri:i think being rtemporary displaced is as good as off site, so i am relatively indifferent to the difference.
avri:i.e. displaced in time is as good as displaced in place.
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I agree with te Budget Proposal to be sent to the ICANN Finance
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Preference for Offsite please
Wolf Ludwig:I think it's a good idea to offer alternative options!
avri:yes
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Yes, it is always wise, if resource toolkits are prepared early they can be translated even
avri:off site invovles packing and moving for the attenddees. this is a drag. and some may have to leave early etc...
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:if transportation is provided, it is a small price to pay compared to the overwhelming benefits from full engagement with faculty and each other
avri:leaving early is especially possible when planning this for before.
Wolf Ludwig:My prefernce would be a) Toronto as a pilote, b) before the Toronto meeting and c) Offside ...
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I agree with Wolf +1 and very excited
avri:mine is for torono, onsite, before
Tijani BEN JEMAA:Avri, I hardly hear you
Heidi Ullrich:Tijani, Avri is making the case why the Academy should be onsite
Tijani BEN JEMAA:I really don't understand what you r saying
Heidi Ullrich:and before the start of the meeting
Tijani BEN JEMAA:too low
Wolf Ludwig:Stong arguments, Avri, but offside strengthens community building -- as EurSSIG proofed.
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I agree with Wolf
avri:but the community we are building is ICANN not the ISSIG class.
Heidi Ullrich:This includes that the experts who might be lecturing will be onsite., that in the days prior to the meeting, there is hardly anyone at the meeting venue.
Wolf Ludwig:@Avri: good argument when there is a follow-up during the subsequent ICANN week ...
avri:i do not understand anything lost by doing in onsite before. just do not see it.
avri:@Heidi, i know some of the staff does go a good part of the week before
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I think it depends on how we map it, identification of faculty, liaising with ICANN Policy (David and Team)
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:For eg. for IDN's Bart etc
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Until we map these and liaise with the ICANN staff we will not know and from how David runs his Team, he will ensure that adequate resources are given
Wolf Ludwig:Sounds reasonable, Olivier, such a pilot woulnd
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:It really depends on the quality of preparation
avri:i think the costs comparison is a wash.
Wolf Ludwig:sorry - wouldn't set onside forever ;-)
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:and Carlos is in the queue after Tijani
Heidi Ullrich:Tijani, please speak loudly
Heidi Ullrich:yes, we here you now
Heidi Ullrich:hear!
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Please speak into the mouthpiece Tijani
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I did not hear very well
Gisella Gruber-White:@ Tijani - we are muting your line
avri:yes before has to mean Wed-Fri
Wolf Ludwig:The "before" exact timing can be sorted out ...
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:My first preference is off site but will be content with whatever decision gets handed down
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:The main thing is to have the Academy
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Can it be from Tuesday to Friday
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:?
Wolf Ludwig:Agree strongly, Sandra!
avri:does it change the night count on the budget?
avri:i agree with it though.
avri:if it is onesite you can do a whole Firday becasue you don't need to move.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:$$$$$$$ for one more day:
Heidi Ullrich:Please keep in mind Friday's schedule - Board reports in the morning, the Board meeting and then the new Board is seated on Friday afternoon.
Wolf Ludwig:Wednesday to Friday and onside might work -- in the given budget?
Heidi Ullrich:@Sala, Tuesday through Friday would mean people would need to be away two weeks from work. Also the budget for another day would be significant as support staff/ experts would also need to arrive earlier
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Yes OCL this is why we should consider parallel sustainable options through other mediums where we harness the Internet for this purpose
Heidi Ullrich:We could have a follow up call post meeting as an option
Wolf Ludwig:@Sala: Can we discuss possible complementary options after the Toronto pilot?
avri:i think the price shows that the most economical is by fractions. I do NOT think this shuld be the overriding issue if the prioces are close.
avri:for leadership postions English is a required language.
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:@Wolf Yes we can but it would be great to start developing them in parallel now even if we roll out after Toronto the complimentary options
Wolf Ludwig:From any Swiss -- multi-langual -- Experience I can tell you that any translation creates enourmous additional costs -- mostly a major part of a budget!
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Not if we get volunteers from the RALOs
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Volunteer translators
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:to help offset costs
avri:Volunteer professional translators? amateur translators often make the tower of babble wobbly.
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:This is why I was pushing for the Human Resource Matrix to see the HR available to us to harness
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:APRALO has linguistic experts and professors in language
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:web based learning is academy stuff
avri:agree with Olivier re capacity building
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Translation is critical (Language diversity)
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:UN 6 languages
avri:it isn't critical for leadership traning.
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:otherwise you marginalise some
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I know Sergio would object
avri:it is critical for capacity building outside the current leadership. leadership is required to be proficient in English already.
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:And others whose first language is not English but want to learn in the ICANN Academy etc
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Sala, English is a bylaw mandated skill required for leadership positions at ICANN
Wolf Ludwig:Most IG "capacity building", training etc. courses at Diplo or EuroSSIG are in English (or uni-langual) because translation is taking budget and time and makes communication more difficult ... And we are talking about a target group of new ICANN leadership ...
avri:and this rev of the academcy is leadership only - those already required to be proficiant in English language.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:and the Academy is only for those people who have been selected to leadership positions at ICANN
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:So is this coming out of the various constituency budgets or is it the At large Budget?
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Our priority is not the rest of ICANN, it should be the At Large, and that is why we were elected to look out for their interests
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Diplo is in all UN 6 languages
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:We are putting the point to ICANN that the budget would be requested as a Special cross-SO/AC project and would not be At-Large only, if there is such a thing as "At-Large only"
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Diplo is not solely for people who will take specific leadership positions.
Wolf Ludwig:@Sala: there are regionally specified courses at Diplo in different languages BUT the "global" ones are in English ... at least all those, I attended.
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Are they leaders from the At Large?
Wolf Ludwig:No Sala -- incl. ALL ICANN¨!
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Why are we focussing our attention on all of ICANN when we should be diverting our resources to look after our people
avri:Sala becasue that is what this group was chartered to do?
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:We have gone outside Recommendation 4 which was discussed in Dakar
Wolf Ludwig:Let's concentrade on the project presently at the table what is called ICANN and not "At-Large" Academy ... the target group are selected ICANN leaders from all constituancies ... therefore, I think, we should count on a command of English ...
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:These are material deviations from the essence of what was put to the At Large community
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Question: Does our mandate come from here? https://community.icann.org/display/Improve/Recommendation+4
Wolf Ludwig:No Sala -- our mandate is not from the link you posted BUT from the ICANN Academy proposal from last August ... which is also on the Workspace ....
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Milestone Report: https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/28902780/ALAC+Improve+Milestone+Rep_rev+15_Intro%2C+text%2C+figs_w+REVISED+C-3_UPDATED+Intro.pdf
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:I want to participate in this SG
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Thank you I apologise everyone for misunderstanding
Tijani BEN JEMAA:no problem Sala
Tijani BEN JEMAA:it's normal
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:It's no worries Sala -- this all happened before you arrived... and had there been an ICANN Academy, you would have been told about it.
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I am happy to hear that we will not wait for Torronto to start work and that is outside this forum, I will read the Milestone report, thanks Olivier
Gisella Gruber-White:Carlos - we can't hear you
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:lost out on the call can someone redial. Again yes i agree that since this is a wider base have it in English and besides its a piolt
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:sorry my line is down
Gisella Gruber-White:H edisconnected
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:My line is down too
Gisella Gruber-White:@ Carlos - do you want a dial-out?
Gisella Gruber-White:@ Sala - we are dialling you now
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:Im here again
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Now that we know that we only have 3 days, this will impact curriculum and I encourage the preparation of a resource toolkit, loaded in USBs maybe (cheaper)
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Thanks Gisella, am back on the call
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:What did they say?
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:(Was'nt clear)
Wolf Ludwig:I was pleased about the first Curriculum proposal from Avri over X-mas!
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:DNSSEC etc
Wolf Ludwig:Who knows ICANN and respective sources like YOU, Avri? :-)
avri:i know nothng about the fellowship
Wolf Ludwig:But all the rst, Avri!
Wolf Ludwig:sorry: rest
avri:is non one on this group a fellowship graduate
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Don't worry -- let's just start with Avri's material, let this group add things, let's see in parallel if Fellowship could add things to it, and then once you've got a first integrated draft, present it to the woder WG
Gisella Gruber-White:Sala - we are dialling you back in
Gisella Gruber-White:Sala - we are getting voice mail for you
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:please call again
Gisella Gruber-White:ok
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:sorry it was a work emergency
Gisella Gruber-White:OK - we are trying again
Gisella Gruber-White:Sala is back
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Thanks Gisella
Wolf Ludwig:All relevant points were said ;-)
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:+1
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Week starting 20th?
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Value is because it will be discussed in Costa Rica
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:and launched in Toronto
Heidi Ullrich:the Policy Webinar is scheduled for 1 March
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Nice looking forward to the Policy Webinar
avri:ok, and i guess it serves as a forcing function..
Heidi Ullrich:I didn't intend to set a time for a webinar, only that it would take two weeks to set it up.
avri:never worry about the accustation if they are not true.
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:also Time Management
avri:but i also feel we are not reporting out enough.
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:Webinar is a good think, but we need a face to face meeting with the newcomers in Costa Rica Meeting
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:for me are important two thinhs
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Webinar is better and residue can be tackled in Costa Rica
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:things
avri:no problem with my time constraints - i love forcing functions
Heidi Ullrich:Sandra, when would you like the next WG call?
Heidi Ullrich:This next week or the following week?
Tijani BEN JEMAA:thanks all
Tijani BEN JEMAA:bye
Wolf Ludwig:Thanks Sandra and all!
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Thanks for the lengthy, but excellent call!
