Gisella Gruber-White:Welcome to the LACRALO Governance WG call on Monday 14 April 2014 at 2100 UTC
Gisella Gruber-White:Agenda: https://community.icann.org/x/XDjRAg
Gisella Gruber-White:Hola a todos
sergio salinas porto:Hola a todos
Alberto Soto:Hola a todos!
vanda:hola a todos
Leon Sanchez:Hola a tod@s
Silvia Vivanco:Gisella please start roll call and recording
Silvia Vivanco:interpretes por favor hablen mas fuerte
Silvia Vivanco:a mas cerca al microfono
Humberto:gracias Sergio
Silvia Vivanco:https://community.icann.org/display/LACRALO/Gobernanza+-+Governance+WG
Silvia Vivanco:Aqui estan los Principios Operativos de LACRALO
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:I was not aware of any WGs setup
Silvia Vivanco:https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/2264378/Operating%2520Principles%2520of%2520the%2520LACRALO%2520Rev1%2520-%2520EN.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1283972734000
Silvia Vivanco:Operating Principles in En
Leon Sanchez:Escucho mucha estática en la interpretación. Alguien más?
vanda:si yo tambien
vanda:sergio, creo que DE. entonces esta involucrado en metricas y no en reglas de procedimiento?
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:At-Large Metrics : https://www.dropbox.com/s/h517rzqsb86t66l/At-Large-Metrics-Presentation-Simplifying-metrics-recording-and-tabulation-final.pdf
vanda:creo que era exatactamente esto que esperavamos del grupo de metricas , que colocasen en la linea la propuesta de metricas para que nosotros lo analisemos.
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:https://community.icann.org/display/LACRALO/Motion+to+update+Rule+7.3+of+Spanish+version+of+RoP+to+conform+with+wording+of+Rule+7.3+of+English+version+of+RoP+by+Dev+Anand+Teelucksingh
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:https://community.icann.org/display/LACRALO/Motion+to+update+numbering+of+Rule+8.1+of+RoP+by+Dev+Anand+Teelucksingh
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:https://community.icann.org/display/LACRALO/Motion+to+update+Rule+8.2+in+Spanish+version+of+RoP+to+conform+with+wording+of+Rule+8.2+in+English+version+of+RoP+by+Dev+Anand+Teelucksingh
Silvia Vivanco 2:Con relacion a las reglas de Procedimiento, les recuerdo que en Londres todas las ALses estaran presentes por lo cual seria muy interesante aprovechar esta reunion para discutir las nuevas reglas de procedimiento
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Motion to update Rule 11.2 in Spanish version of RoP to conform with Rule 11.2 in English version of RoP and update numbering of Rule 11.2 by Dev Anand Teelucksingh https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=31172093
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:https://community.icann.org/display/LACRALO/Motion+to+update+Rule+14.4+of+RoP+by+Dev+Anand+Teelucksingh
Humberto:lo que señala Dev también está en el informe del grupo de traducción
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:https://community.icann.org/display/LACRALO/Motion+to+modify+Rule+12.9+of+Rules+of+Procedure+by+Dev+Anand+Teelicksingh
Alberto Soto:Silvia, tenemos intención de que estas modifiaciones avancen anges e Londres, a fin de que solo sean apro adas o tengan detalles de forma, y que no suceda lo que sucedió en Costa Rica
sergio salinas porto:estoy de nuevo en liena
Humberto:Silvia
Alberto Soto:Sergio, lo que etá diciendo Dev, no está ya encarado??
Humberto:es nuestra idea aprobar la uniformidad de la reglas
Alberto Soto:Vanda tiene levantada la mano...
Silvia Vivanco 2:Dev I will put this as an AI
Alberto Soto:Exacto Vanda!!!
Silvia Vivanco 2:Asi es Vanda Londres es un momento en que TODAS las ALses estan presentes
Silvia Vivanco 2:es urgente que se produzca una discusion online
Silvia Vivanco 2:para que en Junio se puedan aprobar
vanda:perfecto Silvia. aprovechemos lo que tenemos ya listo
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Disagree with Vanda re: OP
vanda:i did not understood which is your disagreement Dev, can you be more clear please?
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:I would like to speak re: the Operating Principles since there is significant disagreement re: OP
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:since it removes consensus, creates a Board, etc
vanda:ok! please do so that what we expect from the groups
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:but my point is instead of massive changes,
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:start with small steps
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:its the reason why we haven't progressed
Silvia Vivanco 2:Could a table with the major items of disagreements be done
vanda:please put your points to our group to make it more clear to all
Silvia Vivanco 2:so that we could identify clearly and then see a way to reach a compromise Dev?
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:sure, the other issue, the OP proposals haven't been translated
vanda:not yet?
Silvia Vivanco 2:yes they have
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:where are they on the wiki ?
Silvia Vivanco 2:see the posted document
Alberto Soto:Sergio, de acuerdo
Silvia Vivanco 2:I need to post this
Silvia Vivanco 2:but that what you see on screen is the latest translation
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:All i see : https://community.icann.org/display/LACRALO/PROPUESTA+DE+ENMIENDA+DE+PRINCIPIOS+OPERATIVOS+DE+LACRALO
Silvia Vivanco 2:I will post
Humberto:https://community.icann.org/display/LACRALO/INFORME+FINAL+GRUPO+TRADUCCION+LACRALO
Silvia Vivanco 2:yes that's from 2000
Silvia Vivanco 2:2009
Humberto:este es el informe del grupo de traducción
Humberto:donde aparecen las soluciones a las divergencias
Silvia Vivanco 2:Dev I will post the translation on screen
Silvia Vivanco 2:so you can review it
Silvia Vivanco 2:and comment
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Re: metrics, it would be up to the secretariat to put together the metrics
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:I can assist with that
vanda:silvia, the page posted here has lots of reference as 2010, from my understanding the final document Fatima has done is another document, not this one... can you clarify please?
Silvia Vivanco:this is the latest sent from translation
Silvia Vivanco:services
Silvia Vivanco:but if you are identifying 2010 references then I will have to compare Fatima's with this translation
Silvia Vivanco:it may not be the same
Silvia Vivanco:apologies if this is not the case
vanda:yes, will check with Fatima since i am not totally recognizing this one as the one we, from the group had done....
Leon Sanchez:no se escucha el audio de los intérpretes
Leon Sanchez:sólo estática
Alberto Soto:tengo solo ruido en la linea
Humberto:no se escucha nada
vanda:but i may be wrong.. let's check first
Silvia Vivanco:Sergio tu linea causa interferencia
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:did you hear me ?
Leon Sanchez:@Dev no, you cut at some point
Silvia Vivanco:Please Gisella call Sergio back
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:darn, I can summarise when Sergio reconnects
vanda:still not having DEv sound
Leon Sanchez:ahora sólo se escucha estática
Leon Sanchez:regresó el audio
Leon Sanchez:Now we hear you Dev
vanda:yes we are hearing you
Silvia Vivanco:Dev Sergio is back but please complete your idea
Silvia Vivanco:@ all we have 8 minutes left
Silvia Vivanco:@ all 6 mins left
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:- we have never taken small steps. Too many conditions and additions attached by different groups in LACRALO meant no progress could be made. So the motions to harmonise differences in languages versions
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:never goes forward.
Alberto Soto:yo en métricas
Alberto Soto:Creo que procedimientos ya están trabajando...
Silvia Vivanco:deadlines
Silvia Vivanco:must be set
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Could the metrics presentation be done in London ?
Silvia Vivanco:1 month seems reasonable
Humberto:debemos investigar como sacar las estadísticas
Humberto:de acuerdo con Alberto
vanda:creo que puede ser automatica
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Re: metrics, I suggest 3-4 years
Humberto:para qué funcione
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:of records
Humberto:debe ser una medición automática
Silvia Vivanco:si 2 minutos
Silvia Vivanco:asi es
Silvia Vivanco:tenemos que cerrar
vanda:gracias a todos y buenas pascuas a todos
Humberto:no hay manos levantadas
vanda:happy Easter to all
Humberto:igualmente vanda
Alberto Soto:Gracias a todos, excelente reunión!!!
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Please put the English version of the proposals so that it can be commented on fully
Humberto:the same for everybody
Alberto Soto:Bye, bye!!!
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:There are significant problems with the OP
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:as drafted by Fatima
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:But put the proposals on the wiki
vanda:ok Dev would be good to hear your complains, please do!
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:the items contained in Fatima's proposal are overly broad and sweeping, will change the entire character of the LACRALO, and not for the better. They seem designed to create a massive bureaucratic organisation in which there are almost 30% chiefs, with few workers, and also seem designed to discard both the diverse nature of LACRALO and any pretense of democracy that remains in the organisation.
Humberto:bye bye
Silvia Vivanco:Yes Gisella has created the mailist
Silvia Vivanco:and Fatima has been added
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:thanks all
Leon Sanchez:sludos a todos
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:take care all
Sylvia Herlein:lista para la prox reunion
Alberto Soto:yo tmabién!!
Alberto Soto:también!
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