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LACRALO November Monthly Meeting

Date: Monday, 17 November 2014

Time: 23:00 UTC (for the time in various timezones click here)

Meeting Number: AL.LAC/MT.1114/1

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English Conference ID = 1638

Spanish Conference ID = 1738

Portuguese Conference ID = 5393

Adobe Connect room: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/lacralo

Action Items:  EN and ES       

Interpretation: EN, ES, PT

Recording: EN, ES, PT

 Adobe connect recording : ES

Adobe Connect Chat Transcript: EN   

Transcription:   EN, ES, PT      

ES:  Cristian Casas, Raitme Citterio, Alberto Soto,  Jose Arce, Antonio Medina Gomez, Tati Toculescu, Carlos Aguiree, Aida Noblia, Vanda Scartezini, Maritza Aguero, Alfredo Lopez, Humberto Carrasco, Rodrigo Saucedo, Yuyuqui Loqui, Alfredo Lopez

EN: Roosevelt King, Carlton Samuels, Dev Anand Teelucksingh

PT:  Alyne Andrade

Apologies: Sylvia Herlein Leite, Fatima Cambronero, Leon Sanchez, Gilberto Lara, Natalia Enciso, Sergio Salinas Porto, Javier Chandía Rojas, Oscar Garcia, Adrian Carballo, Alejandro Pisanty , Alan Greenberg, Johnny Laureano, Carlos Vera, Olivier Crepin-Leblond 

Staff:  Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Terri Agnew

Call management: Terri Agnew

Interpreters:  ES: Veronica and David

                        PT: Esperanza

AGENDA  ES    

1.   Bienvenida. Alberto Soto  1’
2.      Staff  2´
3.      Adopción de agenda. Humberto Carrasco,  2´
4.      Capacitación:     IANA Transition. Alberto Soto 20´.
5.      Revisión de consultas públicas
•        ALAC Policy Development Activities - Alan Greenberg 10’

a. Recently adopted ALAC Statements, Documents or Groups:

b. Statements or Endorsements currently being developed, reviewed or voted on by the ALAC

c. Currently Open Public Comments

6.      Revisión Ítems de acción:   Alberto Soto  5
•        Webinar sobre estrategia Latinoamericana.
•        Encuesta para evaluar el expertise profesional de los miembros de Lacralo.
•        Mapa regional de eventos.
•        Informe con los resultados del grupo de gobernanza con fechas específicas para finalizar el informe final.
•        PPT sobre el proceso de transición de IANA Stewardship Function
7.      Votaciones en curso. Humberto Carrasco 2’
a.-https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=48344587
b.-https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=48344577
8.      Tareas que se desprenden de la Estrategia de ICANN para nuestra Región   Alberto Soto  5´
9.      Informes grupos de trabajo:
a.      Grupo Gobernanza: Sergio Salinas Porto 10’
b.      Grupo CCTLD: Sergio Salinas Porto 5’
c.      IANA Transition. Alberto Soto 2’
10.   Problemas respecto a la capacitación en Lacralo Humberto - Carrasco

11        Otros asuntos

 

AGENDA  EN     

1.   Welcome  Alberto Soto  1’
2.      Staff  roll call 2´
3.      Agenda Adoption . Humberto Carrasco,  2´
4.      Capacity Building :     IANA Transition. Alberto Soto 20´.
5.      Public consultation Review
•        ALAC Policy Development Activities - Alan Greenberg 10’

a. Recently adopted ALAC Statements, Documents or Groups:

b. Statements or Endorsements currently being developed, reviewed or voted on by the ALAC

c. Currently Open Public Comments


6.      Review Action Items :   Alberto Soto  5
•        Webinar about the Regional Latin American Strategy 
•        Survey to evaluate professional expertise of LACRALO members .
•        Regional Events Maps.
•        Report about the results of Governance Working group with specific dares to finalize the final report.
•        PPT about the process of  transition of  the IANA Stewardship Function
7.      Ongoing Votes . Humberto Carrasco 2’
a.-https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=48344587
b.-https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=48344577
8.      Outcomes and work for the Region originating from the Latin American Strategy -   Alberto Soto  5´
9.      Working Groups Reports :
a.      Governance working group : Sergio Salinas Porto 10’
b.      CCTLD working group: Sergio Salinas Porto 5’
c.      IANA Transition. Alberto Soto 2’
10.   Problems  about capacity building group in Lacralo - Humberto Carrasco

11,       Any other business








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  1. Dev Anand Teelucksingh

    Here's the email I had sent regarding my concerns regarding the lack of timely notifications regarding the proposals.


    ---------- Forwarded message ----------
    From: Dev Anand Teelucksingh <admin@ttcsweb.org>
    Date: 18 November 2014 13:50
    Subject: Re: timely notification when proposals were out for comment
    To: "Dr. Alberto Soto" <asoto@ibero-americano.org>, Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob@gmail.com>
    Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org>, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>, Fátima Cambronero <fatimacambronero@gmail.com>


    Dear Alberto, Humberto
    On the LACRALO conference call on November 17, I expressed a concern regarding the lack of timely notifications regarding the proposals being considered by LACRALO. I've done some checking given Humberto's assertion that he posted a call for comments three times.
    • For October 2014  : http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2014-October/thread.html , there are no announcements/ reminders about the proposals are prepared/ready for comment.
    • For September 2014, there were two emails 
      • One http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2014-September/011430.html with subject line

        ????? Q = iso-8859-1 3A_Open_for_comments_New_ALS Fwd = _ = q = iso-8859-1 Engagement_Program_Proposal / Propuesta_de_Programa_de_Reclu = q = iso-8859-1 tamiento_de_nuevas_ALSs Proposal_of_LACRALO_Procedure_fo = _-_ = iso? -8859-1? q? r_the_Preparation = 2C_Issuance_and_Publication_of_Statement? = = iso-8859-1? q? s / Propuesta_de_procedimiento_de_LACRALO_para_la_elaboraci? = = iso-8859-1? q? = F3n = 2C_emisi = F3n_y_publicaci = F3n_de_Declaraciones? ="
         
      • and the 2nd one http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2014-September/011491.html with subject line:

        lac-discuss-en] ??? = Iso-8859-1 Open_for_comments_New_ALS_Engagem q = q = iso-8859-1 ent_Program_Proposal / Propuesta_de_Programa_de_Reclutamient = q = iso-8859-1 o_de_nuevas_ALSs Proposal_of_LACRALO_Procedure_for_the_P = _-_ = iso??? -8859-1? q? reparation = 2C_Issuance_and_Publication_of_Statements / Propu? = = iso-8859-1? q? esta_de_procedimiento_de_LACRALO_para_la_elaboraci = _ = 2C F3n? = = iso-8859-1? q? emission = F3n_y_publicaci = F3n_de_Declaraciones? =
         
    • In August 2014, one email http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2014-August/011361.html with subject line

      lac-discuss-en] ?? = Iso-8859-1 Open_for_comments_New_ALS_Engagem q = q = iso-8859-1 ent_Program_Proposal / Propuesta_de_Programa_de_Reclutamient = q = iso-8859-1 o_de_nuevas_ALSs Proposal_of_LACRALO_Procedure_for_the_P = _-_ = iso-8859???? -1? q? reparation = 2C_Issuance_and_Publication_of_Statements / Propu? = = iso-8859-1? q? esta_de_procedimiento_de_LACRALO_para_la_elaboraci = _ = 2C F3n? = = iso-8859-1? q? emission = F3n_y_publicaci = F3n_de_Declaraciones? =


    So with the mangled subject lines of Humberto's emails, I suspect nobody on the EN list ever saw or read Humberto's emails on the EN list and weren't aware of the proposals until the (VERY clear) "VOTE ANNOUNCEMENT" from Staff on the EN list. 

    A suggestion for the future : write emails with clear subject lines for each list. This would mean 
    - writing and posting an email to the EN list 
    - writing and posting an email to the ES list
     
    It is double work I know, but its the only way to ensure all of LACRALO are informed about proposals that should be reviewed. When I was secretariat, I had asked the chair to post a separate email to the ES list and tried to double check if emails were coherent enough to be read. 
     
    I know the machine translation problems are frustrating (to put it mildly) and I hope the final testing and implementation of the improved machine translation tool can happen soon. 
     
    Still, given the flood of emails, even if the emails were properly formatted, having a email reminder in September and then a vote in November is too large a gap. I do understand and appreciate that Humberto has other critical priorities that required his attention during that time. Also, since there were no indications that anyone commented on the proposals (even expressing support on the wiki),it would have signalled that LACRALO needed to be made more aware. Perhaps giving a presentation on the monthly call about the proposals under consideration and by contacting persons outside the mailing list (via Instant Messaging such as Skype) and asking them if they were aware of the proposals. 
     
    Similarly, there is no mention of these proposals on the LACRALO main page (www.lacralo.org) to call attention for them to be commented on. 
    Notices should have been put on the LACRALO main page whenever proposals are open for comment by LACRALO to alert all visitors to the LACRALO main page of what's being considered. 
     
    Also, there is no mention in the monthly LACRALO secretariat reports that these proposals were even readied for comment for consideration by LACRALO. 
     
    Finally, - ensuring accurate documents/proposals are translated. The reason I asked this was because the logic from the proposals are very contradictory.
      
    For example, in the Proposal of LACRALO Procedure for the Preparation, Issuance and Publication of Statements https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=48344587 ; 3.4.2 says if there is no consensus between the draft text and final text, then the draft will be filed. Which doesn't make sense. So I don't know if its a flaw in the proposer's logic or bad translation. 
     
    Finally, a comment about the proposals themselves, I fear the adds to LACRALO being bureaucratic  ("over concerned with procedure at the expense of efficiency or common sense" as Google helpfully points out at https://www.google.tt/#q=bureaucratic). But I suppose I'll make the comments on the wiki pages accordingly.
     
    By the way, Alberto, I appreciate your efforts in monitoring and informing the region about the IANA stewardship transition discussions in the call yesterday. 
     
    Kind Regards,
    Dev Anand Teelucksingh

  2. Carlton Samuels

    I'm sure Dev has the details right so I fully endorse and support his analysis.  

    My concern is really more fundamental; I question the need for a vote on these matters.  One issue seems to be a rehash of the administrative procedure for accessing CROPP funding for an event.  IMHO, all that is necessary is a discussion and publication.

    By now everyone knows my apprehension of regional working groups. I see the need for ad hoc groups to work LACRALO-specific matters.  But so long as the ALAC is the body that represent policy perspectives to the ICANN Board and indeed, the ICANN community and absent a persuasive contrary declaration, I continue to believe that effective LACRALO contribution to policy development demands not a separate process that results in a 'LACRALO declaration' but wider and deeper participation on the global level.

    Participation in appropriate At-Large WGs as full discussants allow for a wider audience engagement, greater opportunity to influence the thinking of those others that will decide at the ALAC level and even better, an opportunity to develop unquestioned expertise.  In so far as a separate LACRALO declaration is concerned, it usually is too little. And, too late.

    Carlton Samuels