Sub-group Members: Cheryl Langdon-Orr, David McAuley, Erich Schweighofer, Finn Petersen, Greg Shatan, Kavouss Arasteh, Mary Uduma, Mathieu Weill, Seun Ojedeji, Tatiana Tropina, Tijani Ben Jemaa, Tom Dale
Observers/Guests:
Staff: Bernard Turcotte, Nathalie Vergnolle, Yvette Guigneaux
Apologies: Paul Rosenzweig, Andreea Brambilla, Avri Doria
** If your name is missing from attendance or apology, please send note to acct-staff@icann.org **
Transcript
Recording
Agenda
- Welcome
- Review of Agenda (2 minutes)
- Administration (1 minute)
- Changes to SOIs
- Identify Audio Only and Phone Number Participants
- Status of Questions to ICANN Legal (2 minutes)
- Review of decisions and action items from last call (2 minutes)
- Decisions – none
- Action Items:
Add Christopher Wilkinson to Questionnaire Review/Evaluation Team (GSS/Staff) (completed)
Create email address/list for Questionnaire Review/Evaluation Team (Staff) (completed)
- Create email address/list for Questionnaire Review/Evaluation Team (Staff) (completed)
- Update on Questionnaire (2 minutes)
- No new submissions
- Review of ICANN’s past and current litigation (15 minutes)
- Pool.com (MW)
- Updated reviews (MW)
- Review of Working Method (30 minutes)
- Current approach to work
- Issues and Concerns
- AOB
- Next meeting 11 April 1300UTC
- Adjourned
Notes
1. Welcome
Greg is running a few minutes late, the call will start momentarily.
2. Review of Agenda
No changes to agenda.
3. Administration
a. Changes to SOIs
No changes to SOIs.
b. Identify Audio Only and Phone Number Participants
Kavouss Arasteh will be out of the AC room for the last 10 min of the call.
Seun Ojedeji on audio.
4. Status of Questions to ICANN Legal
Bernie - Sam is actively working on this request. Staff will follow-up this week.
5. Review of decisions and action items from last call
a. Decisions: none
b. Action Items:
- Add Christopher Wilkinson to Questionnaire Review/Evaluation Team (GSS/Staff) (completed)
- Create email address/list for Questionnaire Review/Evaluation Team (Staff) (completed)
- Create email address/list for Questionnaire Review/Evaluation Team (Staff) (completed)
6. Update on Questionnaire
a. No new submissions
Greg - It's not too late to promote the questionnaire or respond to the questionnaire.
7. Review of ICANN’s past and current litigation
David McAuley - started working on namespace case.
Bernie - sign up sheet can be found at: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oo9oDJuuxFz1UUNaBfHeor7HPhJ5XcRHFTq3hjRltOM/edit[docs.google.com]
a. Pool.com (MW)
Mathieu Weill (MW) presented review of pool.com litigation.
Greg - Seun had some comments on the mailing list earlier today, but is not connected right now.
David McAuley - I take it this case was not appealed?
MW - no, it was dropped.
Greg - was it dropped because the parties settled?
MW - I think there was a settlement, but that's my interpretation, there is no mention of that in the case.
Kavouss - was the case dropped by the court? what would have happened if it had not been dropped?
MW - Ottawa is a city in Ontario, in Canada. I cannot say what would have happened if the case had not been dropped.
Greg - the plaintiff must have dropped it, the court would have dismissed it, court cannot drop it, only the plaintiff can.
David - I believe this subject is part of the questions that were sent to ICANN Legal.
Kavouss - I hope we can find a case outside of the US where the case was not dropped.
Greg - that was the only case that was outside of the US, all others listed are in the US.
MW - confirming what Greg indicated. That in itself is an interesting finding.
Kavouss - could we look into cases where the plaintiff is a non US?
Mathieu Weill: Non US Plaintiff are useful to look at indeed. Such as DitAfrica ?
Kavouss - do we have cases in countries where ICANN doesn't have offices?
Greg - I believe we should get answer to that question from ICANN Legal.
b. Updated reviews (MW)
8. Review of Working Method
a. Current approach to work
Kavouss - the people who raise the concerns that our working methods are not taking us anywhere should attend the calls so we can discuss. We also need answers from ICANN Legal in order to move the work forward.
DM - looking at past litigations, and the questionnaire, all this seems to be very sensible and legitimate.
Seun - It's not necessarily a complete exercise that we are doing. We are only looking at past experiences.
MW - this conversation highlights the need to clarify the various tracks of work that we are currently working on. Past litigations is one, questions to ICANN Legal is another, and the questionnaire is a 3rd. We have been requested to provide an update to the plenary of what we are currently working on, and what the next steps will be.
Greg - I don't think that any of the work that we are doing is intended to create the impression that we fill time. We still need to clarify the mandate of the group, but we have taken steps to find the facts.
Our working method is to look for issues, and then to find remedies.
Seun - yes, but for now we have only been looking for issues in the past, we have not looked into potential issues in the future.
Mathieu Weill: Potential issues in the future is a definition of Risks.
Greg - looking for potential issues is not part of our mandate.
Greg - I will prepare a status of where we are, and will submit it to the mailing list.
MW - maybe we could invite the persons who commented on the mailing list to join us in the next subgroup call.
Greg - good suggestion, let's do that.
b. Issues and Concerns
9. AOB
None raised.
10. Next meeting 11 April 1300UTC
11. Adjourned
Documents Presented
Chat Transcript
Yvette Guigneaux: Welcome all to the Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #20 | 04 April 2017 @ 19: 00 UTC!
Yvette Guigneaux: This meeting will be recorded. Please mute your phone when not speaking by pressing *6 (star 6) *6 will also unmute.
Tijani BEN JEMAA: Hi Yvette
Yvette Guigneaux: hi Tijani
Tijani BEN JEMAA: No audio available (mic facility)?
Tijani BEN JEMAA: on Adobe
Yvette Guigneaux: audio will be on shortly, getting that on right now
Yvette Guigneaux: ok audio is on now Tijani
Yvette Guigneaux: Kavouss - good day, do you still need a dial out or are you good?
Yvette Guigneaux: do you need a dial out Tijani, or are you ok as is?
Tijani BEN JEMAA: Thanks Yvette
Tijani BEN JEMAA: I think the adobe is sufficient now
Yvette Guigneaux: ok Tijani, you're welcome
Tijani BEN JEMAA: iIf I have problems with it, I will ask you for dial out
Yvette Guigneaux: Kavouss - you need a dial out or are you ok as is?
Yvette Guigneaux: ok Tijani, understood
David McAuley (RySG): Hi Yvette, I dialed in as 8222
Yvette Guigneaux: hi David - copy that, thank you
Tatiana Tropina: Hi all
David McAuley (RySG): Could not find sign-up sheet for litigation - have started work on namespace v. ICANN but will stop if anyone else is doing it
David McAuley (RySG): Thanks bernie
David McAuley (RySG): Bernie, that is
Kavouss Arasteh: Hi to all good ladies, Brenda, nathalie &Yvette
Yvette Guigneaux: hi Kavouss, good day
Nathalie Vergnolle: Hi everyone!
Mary Uduma: Goodmorning Everyone
David McAuley (RySG): ok, sounds fine
Tijani BEN JEMAA: Yvette, can you please call Seun
Tijani BEN JEMAA: ?
Mathieu Weill: No news on my side
Yvette Guigneaux: hi Tijani, will do
Tijani BEN JEMAA: Thx
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: sign up sheet can be found at: https: //urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1oo9oDJuuxFz1UUNaBfHeor7HPhJ5XcRHFTq3hjRltOM_edit&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=xjNMRR-fjlgBx7tqUEv8lZv2O9RJyMyqWkymcecegCUuwDxFVsW6VBuvkqKnS_lk&m=w3XrB3tpA8_VZDBiszBTN36Iti0FBJTqQTC-_q4RZYU&s=xdo8Q50p-EMwLzost6l09rr36_saH0ym8edOVZaRQxE&e=
David McAuley (RySG): Thanks Bernie, I was fumbling around earlier today and missed it
Tijani BEN JEMAA: Seun said "it keep saying please press 1 Which I did But it's not connecting me I pressed 1 several times"
Yvette Guigneaux: hi Tijani, i'm working on getting Seun connected, and we're getting error messages still trying
Tatiana Tropina: This "press 1" problem happened to me many times. Switching the phone on and off helps
Tijani BEN JEMAA: I have audio problem
Tijani BEN JEMAA: Wanted to say that Seun is trying to connect
Tijani BEN JEMAA: but has problem with the phone bridge
Yvette Guigneaux: Tijani - do you want a dial out as well?
Tijani BEN JEMAA: Yes please
Tijani BEN JEMAA: +21670853376
Yvette Guigneaux: Tijani - dialing out to you right now
Tijani BEN JEMAA: Thanks a lot
Yvette Guigneaux: yw
Mathieu Weill: Absolutely David !
Mathieu Weill: You can check the list here Kavouss : https: //urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_governance_litigation-2Den&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=xjNMRR-fjlgBx7tqUEv8lZv2O9RJyMyqWkymcecegCUuwDxFVsW6VBuvkqKnS_lk&m=w3XrB3tpA8_VZDBiszBTN36Iti0FBJTqQTC-_q4RZYU&s=KK5jPCdXKwj9RAgEWzRVrnMZBquKRYFYWZ4b7T695bs&e=
Mathieu Weill: No other case outside of the US
Kavouss Arasteh: THE PLANITIFF BEING SUBMITTED TO A NON uS
Kavouss Arasteh: Sorry for Cap. pls change it to lower case when appearing in transcrip
Mathieu Weill: Non US Plaintiff are useful to look at indeed. Such as DitAfrica ?
Mathieu Weill: +1 David
David McAuley (RySG): agree w Greg's observation
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: reminder the questions to ICANN Legal can be found at - https: //urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1HslgBieiTl2LNT1CXNct7ZS1Qi5lZy3r8Y42CVzfIP8_edit&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=xjNMRR-fjlgBx7tqUEv8lZv2O9RJyMyqWkymcecegCUuwDxFVsW6VBuvkqKnS_lk&m=w3XrB3tpA8_VZDBiszBTN36Iti0FBJTqQTC-_q4RZYU&s=JAubUwNlCaqfKG0ITNKbTAeUjMJ8PhUai-9Gvccnfk0&e=
Yvette Guigneaux: hi Greg, i believe that is Tijani - when we dialed him in
Yvette Guigneaux: hi Seun - yay you are on! welcome
Tijani BEN JEMAA: No, it is not mine
Yvette Guigneaux: i'll notate your name in the role
Yvette Guigneaux: both of you are on, mission accomplished! =)
Mathieu Weill: Glad you're on Seun !
David McAuley (RySG): Seun, you have an alias - 1425
Yvette Guigneaux: Time check: 10 minutes
Mathieu Weill: Potential issues in the future is a definition of Risks
David McAuley (RySG): the old stress test chestnut
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: Next meeting of this group is 11 April and Plenary is 12th
David McAuley (RySG): none here
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): thanks everyone, bye for now then...
Mary Uduma: Thanks All and bye
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): night Greg
Erich Schweighofer: Servus from Vienna
Mathieu Weill: Thans Greg for a good call despite odd hour for you !
David McAuley (RySG): thanks Greg and staff, i plan to sleep as well at close to 2am
Tatiana Tropina: Thanks all! Bye
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: by all
David McAuley (RySG): good bye all
Greg Shatan: Goodbye all.
