Sub-group Members:   Cheryl Langdon-Orr, David McAuley, Erich Schweighofer, Finn Petersen, Greg Shatan, Kavouss Arasteh, Mary Uduma, Mathieu Weill, Seun Ojedeji, Tatiana Tropina, Tijani Ben Jemaa, Tom Dale


Staff:  Bernard Turcotte, Nathalie Vergnolle, Yvette Guigneaux

Apologies:  Paul Rosenzweig, Andreea Brambilla, Avri Doria


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  1. Welcome
  2. Review of Agenda (2 minutes)
  3. Administration (1 minute)
    1. Changes to SOIs
    2. Identify Audio Only and Phone Number Participants
  4. Status of Questions to ICANN Legal (2 minutes)
  5. Review of decisions and action items from last call (2 minutes)
    1. Decisions – none
    2. Action Items:
      1.  Add Christopher Wilkinson to Questionnaire Review/Evaluation Team (GSS/Staff) (completed)                                       

      2. Create email address/list for Questionnaire Review/Evaluation Team (Staff) (completed)

      3. Create email address/list for Questionnaire Review/Evaluation Team (Staff) (completed)
  6. Update on Questionnaire (2 minutes)
    1. No new submissions
  7. Review of ICANN’s past and current litigation (15 minutes)
    1. (MW)
    2. Updated reviews (MW)
  8. Review of Working Method (30 minutes)
    1. Current approach to work
    2. Issues and Concerns
  9. AOB
  10. Next meeting 11 April 1300UTC
  11. Adjourned



1.  Welcome

Greg is running a few minutes late, the call will start momentarily.

2.  Review of Agenda 

No changes to agenda.

3.  Administration 

        a.  Changes to SOIs

No changes to SOIs.

        b.  Identify Audio Only and Phone Number Participants

Kavouss Arasteh will be out of the AC room for the last 10 min of the call.

Seun Ojedeji on audio.

4.  Status of Questions to ICANN Legal 

Bernie - Sam is actively working on this request. Staff will follow-up this week.

5.  Review of decisions and action items from last call 

        a.  Decisions: none

        b.  Action Items:

             - Add Christopher Wilkinson to Questionnaire Review/Evaluation Team (GSS/Staff) (completed)                                       

            - Create email address/list for Questionnaire Review/Evaluation Team (Staff) (completed)

            - Create email address/list for Questionnaire Review/Evaluation Team (Staff) (completed)

6.  Update on Questionnaire 

        a.  No new submissions

Greg - It's not too late to promote the questionnaire or respond to the questionnaire.

7.  Review of ICANN’s past and current litigation 

David McAuley - started working on namespace case.

Bernie - sign up sheet can be found at:[]

        a. (MW)

Mathieu Weill (MW) presented review of litigation. 

Greg - Seun had some comments on the mailing list earlier today, but is not connected right now.

David McAuley - I take it this case was not appealed?

MW - no, it was dropped.

Greg - was it dropped because the parties settled?

MW - I think there was a settlement, but that's my interpretation, there is no mention of that in the case.

Kavouss - was the case dropped by the court? what would have happened if it had not been dropped?

MW - Ottawa is a city in Ontario, in Canada. I cannot say what would have happened if the case had not been dropped. 

Greg - the plaintiff must have dropped it, the court would have dismissed it, court cannot drop it, only the plaintiff can. 

David - I believe this subject is part of the questions that were sent to ICANN Legal.

Kavouss - I hope we can find a case outside of the US where the case was not dropped.

Greg - that was the only case that was outside of the US, all others listed are in the US.

MW - confirming what Greg indicated. That in itself is an interesting finding.

Kavouss - could we look into cases where the plaintiff is a non US? 

Mathieu Weill: Non US Plaintiff are useful to look at indeed. Such as DitAfrica ? 

Kavouss - do we have cases in countries where ICANN doesn't have offices?

Greg - I believe we should get answer to that question from ICANN Legal.

        b.  Updated reviews (MW)

8.  Review of Working Method 

        a.  Current approach to work

Kavouss - the people who raise the concerns that our working methods are not taking us anywhere should attend the calls so we can discuss. We also need answers from ICANN Legal in order to move the work forward.

DM - looking at past litigations, and the questionnaire, all this seems to be very sensible and legitimate. 

Seun - It's not necessarily a complete exercise that we are doing. We are only looking at past experiences. 

MW - this conversation highlights the need to clarify the various tracks of work that we are currently working on. Past litigations is one, questions to ICANN Legal is another, and the questionnaire is a 3rd. We have been requested to provide an update to the plenary of what we are currently working on, and what the next steps will be.

Greg - I don't think that any of the work that we are doing is intended to create the impression that we fill time. We still need to clarify the mandate of the group, but we have taken steps to find the facts. 

Our working method is to look for issues, and then to find remedies.

Seun - yes, but for now we have only been looking for issues in the past, we have not looked into potential issues in the future.

Mathieu Weill: Potential issues in the future is a definition of Risks.

Greg - looking for potential issues is not part of our mandate.

Greg - I will prepare a status of where we are, and will submit it to the mailing list.

MW - maybe we could invite the persons who commented on the mailing list to join us in the next subgroup call.

Greg - good suggestion, let's do that. 

        b.  Issues and Concerns

9.  AOB

None raised.

10.  Next meeting 11 April 1300UTC

11.  Adjourned

Documents Presented

Chat Transcript

  Yvette Guigneaux:  Welcome all to the Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #20  |  04 April 2017 @ 19:  00 UTC!

  Yvette Guigneaux:  This meeting will be recorded.  Please mute your phone when not speaking by pressing *6 (star 6)  *6 will also unmute.

  Tijani BEN JEMAA:  Hi Yvette

  Yvette Guigneaux:  hi Tijani

  Tijani BEN JEMAA:  No audio available (mic facility)?

  Tijani BEN JEMAA:  on Adobe

  Yvette Guigneaux:  audio will be on shortly, getting that on right now

  Yvette Guigneaux:  ok audio is on now Tijani

  Yvette Guigneaux:  Kavouss -  good day, do you still need a dial out or are you good?

  Yvette Guigneaux:  do you need a dial out Tijani, or are you ok as is?

  Tijani BEN JEMAA:  Thanks Yvette

  Tijani BEN JEMAA:  I think the adobe is sufficient now

  Yvette Guigneaux:  ok Tijani, you're welcome

  Tijani BEN JEMAA:  iIf I have problems with it, I will ask you for dial out

  Yvette Guigneaux:  Kavouss - you need a dial out or are you ok as is?

  Yvette Guigneaux:  ok Tijani, understood

  David McAuley (RySG):  Hi Yvette, I dialed in as 8222

  Yvette Guigneaux:  hi David - copy that, thank you

  Tatiana Tropina:  Hi all

  David McAuley (RySG):  Could not find sign-up sheet for litigation - have started work on namespace v. ICANN but will stop if anyone else is doing it

  David McAuley (RySG):  Thanks bernie

  David McAuley (RySG):  Bernie, that is

  Kavouss Arasteh:  Hi to all good ladies, Brenda, nathalie &Yvette

  Yvette Guigneaux:  hi Kavouss, good day

  Nathalie Vergnolle:  Hi everyone!

  Mary Uduma:  Goodmorning Everyone

  David McAuley (RySG):  ok, sounds fine

  Tijani BEN JEMAA:  Yvette, can you please call Seun

  Tijani BEN JEMAA:  ?

  Mathieu Weill:  No news on my side

  Yvette Guigneaux:  hi Tijani, will do

  Tijani BEN JEMAA:  Thx

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:  sign up sheet can be found at:   https:  //

  David McAuley (RySG):  Thanks Bernie, I was fumbling around earlier today and missed it

  Tijani BEN JEMAA:  Seun said "it keep saying please press 1 Which I did But it's not connecting me I pressed 1 several times"

  Yvette Guigneaux:  hi Tijani, i'm working on getting Seun connected, and we're getting error messages  still trying

  Tatiana Tropina:  This "press 1" problem happened to me many times. Switching the phone on and off helps

  Tijani BEN JEMAA:  I have audio problem

  Tijani BEN JEMAA:  Wanted to say that Seun is trying to connect

  Tijani BEN JEMAA:  but has problem with the phone bridge

  Yvette Guigneaux:  Tijani - do you want a dial out as well?

  Tijani BEN JEMAA:  Yes please

  Tijani BEN JEMAA:  +21670853376

  Yvette Guigneaux:  Tijani - dialing out to you right now

  Tijani BEN JEMAA:  Thanks a lot

  Yvette Guigneaux:  yw

  Mathieu Weill:  Absolutely David !

  Mathieu Weill:  You can check the list here Kavouss :   https:  //

  Mathieu Weill:  No other case outside of the US


  Kavouss Arasteh:  Sorry for Cap. pls change it to lower case when appearing in transcrip

  Mathieu Weill:  Non US Plaintiff are useful to look at indeed. Such as DitAfrica ?

  Mathieu Weill:  +1 David

  David McAuley (RySG):  agree w Greg's observation

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:  reminder the questions to ICANN Legal can be found at - https:  //

  Yvette Guigneaux:  hi Greg, i believe that is Tijani - when we dialed him in

  Yvette Guigneaux:  hi Seun - yay you are on!  welcome

  Tijani BEN JEMAA:  No, it is not mine

  Yvette Guigneaux:  i'll notate your name in the role

  Yvette Guigneaux:  both of you are on, mission accomplished!  =)

  Mathieu Weill:  Glad you're on Seun !

  David McAuley (RySG):  Seun, you have an alias - 1425

  Yvette Guigneaux:  Time check:    10 minutes

  Mathieu Weill:  Potential issues in the future is a definition of Risks

  David McAuley (RySG):  the old stress test chestnut

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:  Next meeting of this group is 11 April and Plenary is 12th

  David McAuley (RySG):  none here

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):  thanks everyone, bye for now then...

  Mary Uduma:  Thanks All and bye

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):  night Greg

  Erich Schweighofer:  Servus from Vienna

  Mathieu Weill:  Thans Greg for a good call despite odd hour for you !

  David McAuley (RySG):  thanks Greg and staff, i plan to sleep as well at close to 2am

  Tatiana Tropina:  Thanks all! Bye

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:  by all

  David McAuley (RySG):  good bye all

  Greg Shatan:  Goodbye all.


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