Sub-group Members: Adebunni Adeola Akinbo (listen only), Amal Al-Saqqaf, Avri Doria, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Finn Petersen, Fiona Asonga, Herb Waye, Jorge Cancio, Lito Ibarra, Olga Cavalli, Rachel Pollack, Rafik Dammak, Dalila Rahmouni, Renata Aquino Ribeiro, Sebastien Bachollet, Seun Ojedeji (16)
Staff: Elizabeth Andrews, Karen Mulberry, Julia Charvolen, Laena Rahim, Lars Hoffmann, Meghan Healy, Nathalie Vergnolle, Yvette Guigneaux
Apologies: Julie Hammer
** If your name is missing from attendance or apology, please send note to acct-staff@icann.org **
Transcript
Recording
Agenda
1. Roll Call
2. Review of Actions items
- Action items are listed on the Diversity wiki page here: https://community.icann.org/display/WEIA/Diversity
3. Discussion Topics- second reading of second version of strawman document
4- Review of Draft questionnaire
5. AOB
Notes
1. Roll Call
- Roll call will be taken from the AC room.
2. Review of Actions items
• Action items are listed on the Diversity wiki page here: https://community.icann.org/display/WEIA/Diversity
- Data collection: action item still in progress
- Call for volunteers: we received 2 responses
- Straw man document: more dicussions needed
3. Discussion Topics- third reading of second version of strawman document
• https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XpXaGckf9IIYGgPKdMhBgKe8gzwruuCHgvXiz-DwOOM/edit
- Fiona gave a summary of the elements discussed in previous meetings
- Fiona: one topic I'd like to focus on is the diversity of ICANN staff
- Rafik: we can organize a meeting with ICANN staff within the next month to discuss the diversity data they collect.
- Rafik: on gender, we should not be limiting.
- Should we cover PTI as well in terms of diversity?
- Sebastien: diversity should be taken into account all around, PTI, CSC, review teams etc. It was in the WS1 document.
- Rafik: it may be good to highlight the different entities / structures to make it clear.
- Finn Petersen, GAC - DK: We should seek a better balance between all languages. I therefore suggest that point 2.2 is worded in the following way: 2.2 Language: All languages should be represented in ICANN as much as possible if the organization is to position itself as a global multi-stakeholder entity. There is a need for a better balance between all languages , including the seven official languages at ICANN – English, Arabic, Chinese, Spanish, Portuguese, French and Russian. With ICANN managing the IANA functions that offers IDN services to entities who do not use any of the 7 official languages it is important that ICANN improves on way of communicating to this group of stakeholders
- Lito Ibarra: When talking about collecting data regarding aspects such as age or physical ability, should we consider any privacy concerns?
- Sebastien: as an example, I couldn't find any data regarding the age of ICANN board members. It would be good to know this information.
- Rafik: we can start by finding out what data is available, and then we can see if we want to add to that. It may raise privacy issues, we'll have to keep that in mind.
- Rachel Pollack: @Rafik, yes, data collection rules vary significantly by country. For example, in France, one cannot collect ethnic statistics
- Rachel Pollack: Should we mention ICANN's commitment to multi-lingualism To clarify, I just meant that ICANN has often portrayed IDNs as an effort to promote multilingualism and a multi-lingual Internet. For example: https://www.icann.org/news/blog/collaborating-towards-a-truly-multilingual-internet[icann.org]
- https://www.icann.org/news/blog/celebrating-a-major-community-driven-milestone-in-enabling-multilingual-top-level-domains[icann.org]
- RAHMOUNI: for the multi-lingualism, we can also inspire our doucment from the work of the UNESCO
- Rachel Pollack: @Rahmouni, this might have some helpful information: http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/access-to-knowledge/linguistic-diversity-and-multilingualism-on-internet/internationalized-domain-names[unesco.org]/
- RAHMOUNI: many examples are avaible http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/access-to-knowledge/linguistic-diversity-and-multilingualism-on-internet[unesco.org]/
- Renata Aquino Ribeiro: this doc has a few more additions https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XpXaGckf9IIYGgPKdMhBgKe8gzwruuCHgvXiz-DwOOM/edit[docs.google.com]#
- Renata Aquino Ribeiro: regarding multilingualism maybe some data on the use of translation in meetings or use of interpreters?
- Fiona: Regions vs geographical diversity. We need to define what we mean by region.
- Sebastien: ICANN regions are different from the RIRs regions. ICANN has 5 regions.
- Sebastien / Rafik: One other consideration: do you declare yourself based on where you live or where you come from?
- Renata Aquino Ribeiro: perhaps consider icann regions as geographic and self-declared as regions
4- Review of Draft questionnaire
• https://docs.google.com/document/d/13UBH5JXmOvxA6H6Kg6W6o0GNDjfYRs3FwQULKScgSmw/edit
- Sebastien: we should try to limit the number of questions we raise
- We should let SO/ACs decide who within their group should answer
- Finn Petersen, GAC - DK: We should stick to questions that can be answered factually. Therefore, Question 3 should be deleted.
- Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): I feel we should ask on both aspects (what they do themselves and what they expect from ICANN at large). Perhaps it should be more balanced. What do you understand under diversity and what do you do for it? And what do you expect in terms of diversity from ICANN at large?
- Renata Aquino Ribeiro: rephrasing also the question on education for diversity, could ask how many materials, seminars or educational initiatives for diversity has so/ac produced
- Avri: suggest limiting to questions 5 to 8. The other questions are more for this subgroup to answer.
- Rachel Pollack: perhaps 5-8 could be seen as fact-finding part about the SO/AC, and then separate out a couple of questions more of a survey of views and ideas on diversity as a whole
- Seun Ojedeji: Not sure question 8 is necessary as it would not be a fact since it isn't formal
- Renata Aquino Ribeiro: q8 and others the so/ac has to come forward with info can all be merged into 1 question - what is being done about diversity in so/ac?
- Renata Aquino Ribeiro: also rephrasing question 3 - what percentage of participation does so/ac has of developing and least developed countries
- Rafik: We'll try to come up with a new version this week. Please make sure to enter all your comments in the document.
5. AOB
Documents Presented
DiversityStrawmanv2_20Dec16.pdf
CCWG-AWS2DraftQuestionsonDiversity.pdf
Chat Transcript
Yvette Guigneaux: Welcome all to the Diversity Subgroup Meeting #7 | 20 December 2016 @
13:00 UTC!
Yvette Guigneaux: If you are not speaking, kindly mute your phone - to unmute press *6 (star 6), thank you
Rafik: hello everyone
Yvette Guigneaux: hello Rafik
Fiona ASONGA 2: Hallo Rafik and everyone
Yvette Guigneaux: Fiona & Rafik - let me know you're starting at the top of the hour and i'll hit the recording on this end
RAHMOUNI: Hello everyone
Rafik: @Yvette we will start in 1min
Fiona ASONGA 2: Yes we can hear you
Yvette Guigneaux: roll call - will be taken from the adobe room
Fiona ASONGA 2: Item 3 should be third reading of strawman
Yvette Guigneaux: scrolling available if needed
Finn Petersen, GAC - DK: We should seek a better balance between all languages. I therefore suggest that point 2.2 is worded in the following way: 2.2 Language: All languages should be represented in ICANN as much as possible if the organization is to position itself as a global multi-stakeholder entity. There is a need for a better balance between all languages , including the seven official languages at ICANN – English, Arabic, Chinese, Spanish, Portuguese, French and Russian. With ICANN managing the IANA functions that offers IDN services to entities who do not use any of the 7 official languages it is important that ICANN improves on way of communicating to this group of stakeholders
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): good suggestion, Finn!
Lito Ibarra: When talking about collecting data regarding aspects such as age or physical ability, should we consider any privacy concerns?
Rachel Pollack: Should we mention ICANN's commitment to multi-lingualism
Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina: Hi apologies for being late!
Rafik: @Lito yes privacy was mentioned previously and maybe something to ask legal counsel about
Amal Al-saqqaf: Thank you Sebastien! Yes, I think that too but I didn't find any mention of the new entities in strawman dicument
Finn Petersen, GAC - DK: I am not on audio - pls look on my suggestion
Amal Al-saqqaf: document
Lito Ibarra: Thanks, Rafik
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: Hi apologies for the delay
Finn Petersen, GAC - DK: i can later not my suggestion in the strawman document
RAHMOUNI: for the multi-lingualism, we can also inspire our doucment from the work of the UNESCO
Rachel Pollack: No, sorry to clarify, I just meant that ICANN has often portrayed IDNs as an effort to promote multilingualism and a multi-lingual Internet
Finn Petersen, GAC - DK: not=put
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: i think it would be good to mention multilingualism
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: and also un languages
Fiona ASONGA 2: Ok Racheal that is clear
Rachel Pollack: I think it can be an overarching concept for a more inclusive and accessible environment -- both for IDNs and within Internet governance
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: rafik this is a version of the strawman previous than the one put on list right?
Rafik: @Renata it is the latest version
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: sorry ok tks
Fiona ASONGA 2: @Rahmouni is there a link you can provide for furtehr reference on UNESCO
Rachel Pollack: @Rahmouni, this might have some helpful information: https: //urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.unesco.org_new_en_communication-2Dand-2Dinformation_access-2Dto-2Dknowledge_linguistic-2Ddiversity-2Dand-2Dmultilingualism-2Don-2Dinternet_internationalized-2Ddomain-2Dnames_&d=DgIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=xjNMRR-fjlgBx7tqUEv8lZv2O9RJyMyqWkymcecegCUuwDxFVsW6VBuvkqKnS_lk&m=AssDIqa_qdkl9gLAYsqe38_1mOJE37LSohjw2QmCHDY&s=bH1u38tuWInVCInnO5JHmePdQGG0MfT-FcvR3RpbVEQ&e=
Fiona ASONGA 2: Ok thanks Racheal
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: this doc has a few more additions https: //urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1XpXaGckf9IIYGgPKdMhBgKe8gzwruuCHgvXiz-2DDwOOM_edit-23&d=DgIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=xjNMRR-fjlgBx7tqUEv8lZv2O9RJyMyqWkymcecegCUuwDxFVsW6VBuvkqKnS_lk&m=AssDIqa_qdkl9gLAYsqe38_1mOJE37LSohjw2QmCHDY&s=eNmSLS6vaCThSTpKtC3mzGPbeHTp0OT4IfY-L85XOeY&e=
Rachel Pollack: @Rafik, yes, data collection rules vary significantly by country. For example, in France, one cannot collect ethnic statistics
Fiona ASONGA 2: @Renata the document you refer has the latest comments
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: oh regarding multilingualism maybe some data on the use of translation in meetings or use of interpreters?
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: fiona thanks for the feedback
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: ergys sent out this recent offer of breakdown stats for so/ac
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: ok person with disabilities
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: that is a very good question fiona
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: it does, regions is self declared, while geography is not
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: Geographical/regional representationObserving thatGeographicalAs defined by political frontiers defined by governments often with with recognition of intergovernmental organizations (for instance nation states recognized by UN such as Brazil, Kenya, China etc.)RegionalRepresentations which are not represented in government or intergovernmental policies but which matter to geopolitical representation (for instance: Amazon region, Subsaharan Africa, Rural areas, Refugee camps etc.)
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: sorry just bringing again the geography/region debate observation
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: perhaps consider icann regions as geographic and self-declared as regions
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: very informative sebastien thanks
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: the self-declaration is only for subregion. I. E. Not only Brazilian but Brazilian from Amazon Region
Yvette Guigneaux: Questionnaire on screen
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): question: are we asking SO/AC on their views on their internal diversity or also on what they expect/want/suggest for ICANN as a community and ICANN as a corporation?
Yvette Guigneaux: Rafik - your document from the link is displayed on screen
Finn Petersen, GAC - DK: We should stick to questions that can be answered factually. Therefore, Question 3 should be deleted.
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: could be also developing countries LDCs instead of naming the continents
Yvette Guigneaux: scrolling available if needed
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: maybe the amount of input you get from develop and ldcs
Rafik: @jorge mostly the former
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: as in 40% of SO is from develop countries participants
Rafik: @jorge but we are trying to see what we should ask them
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): @rafik: I feel we should ask on both aspects (what they do themselves and what they expect from ICANN at large)
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: maybe more yes, no or closed answers
Rachel Pollack: @Jorge, the last question (at least with the proposed edit) broadens to ICANN as a whole
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): @Rachel: that is right - but perhaps it should be more balanced. What do you understand under diversity and what do you do for it? And what do you expect in terms of diversity from ICANN at large?
Fiona ASONGA 2: @Finn I agree the questions should be clear to be answered with facts
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): thanks, Rafik for picking this up : )
avri doria: do we really need more thatn 5-8
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: rephrasing also the question on education for diversity, could ask how many materials, seminars or educational initiatives for diversity has so/ac produced
avri doria: no was refereing to Q5-8
Rachel Pollack: perhaps 5-8 could be seen as fact-finding part about the SO/AC, and then separate out a couple of questions more of a survey of views and ideas on diversity as a whole
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: most diversity questionnaires are surveys
Yvette Guigneaux: if you can see that chat - would 202-506-0579 kindly identify for the record?
Amal Al-saqqaf: I mostly agree with avri
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: also rephrasing question 3 - what percentage of participation does so/ac has of developing and least developed countries
Seun Ojedeji: Not sure question 8 is necessary as it would not be a fact since it isn't formal
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: q8 and others the so/ac has to come forward with info can all be merged into 1 question - what is being done about diversity in so/ac?
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: sorry come fwd w/ open answer
Fiona ASONGA 2: @Seun 8 willl give us suggestions of what may need to be formalised or shared with others
Fiona ASONGA 2: @Renata +1
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: rafik pls note my comment on developing / least developed participation
Fiona ASONGA 2: @ Renate
Fiona ASONGA 2: They ar enoted
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: thanks!
Herb Waye Ombuds: Happy holidays everyone... all the best.
avri doria: happy Silvester y'all
Renata Aquino Ribeiro: felices fiestas : )
Lito Ibarra: Thank you all
Fiona ASONGA 2: Thanks you all for participating in the call
Fiona ASONGA 2: Happy Holidays
RAHMOUNI 2: Thany you to all and happy christmas! joyeux noel!
Amal Al-saqqaf: Thanks! Happy holiday all! Bye
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): thanks and happy holidays!
Rachel Pollack: thanks and happy holidays everyone!
