Sub-group Members: Becky Burr, Brian Scarpelli, David McAuley, Erich Schweighofer, Farzaneh Badii, Finn Peterse, Greg Shatan, Jorge Cancio, Olga Cavalli, Raphael Beauegard-Lacroix, Robin Gross, Steve DelBianco, Tatiana Tropina
Observers/Guests: Leon Sanchez, Taylor R.W. Bentley, Thomas Rickert
ICANN Org: Bernard Turcotte, Berry Cobb, Brenda Brewer, Laurent Ferrali,
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- Review of Agenda (2 minutes)
- Administration (1 minute)
- Changes to SOIs
- Identify Audio Only and Phone Number Participants
- Continued analysis of comments (50 minutes)
- Review of schedule
- Review of email contributions to the list
- Way forward.
- AOB (5 Minutes)
- Adjourn (next meeting 14 February 1900UTC)
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- Schedule calls for the weeks of 20 and 26 February
- Schedule call for 1900 UTC 14 February for 90 minutes.
- Review of comments on next call will begin with comment 6.05
- GS – will produce and updated draft of the recommendations for the next meeting.
- NCSG Participants requested to provide draft language with respect to comment 6.03 in the Google doc and advise the list.
- Staff to schedule calls for weeks of 20 and 26 February and send calendar invites.
- Wednesday 14 February 1900 UTC.
- #3893859-v1-Report v 1 2 1.PDF
- Jurisdiction-Public Comments-January 2018-Summary-post
Brenda Brewer: (2/7/2018 12:24) Good day! Welcome to Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #54 on 7 February 2018 @ 19:00 UTC.
Brenda Brewer: (12:24) When not speaking, please mute your phone by pressing *6 (star 6). To unmute, *6. This call is recorded.
Brenda Brewer: (12:24) Reminder to all, for captioning and transcription, please state your name before speaking and speak slowly. Thank you!
Olga Cavalli: (12:52) hello
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (12:52) hello!
Thomas Rickert: (12:57) Hi all!
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (12:59) HELLO ALL
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (12:59) Hello Bernie. Could you confirm the duration of today's meeting? It was set for 1h in your agenda but 1.5h in the google agenda invite. Thank you.
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:00) 90 minutes as agreed at last meeting
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (13:00) alright thank you. I will most likely have to leave a bit after 9. Apologies in advance.
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (13:01) I meant 8 UTC, or 9pm for those in W Europe..
Brenda Brewer: (13:01) Dialout to Kavouss was not accepted.
David McAuley: (13:02) i am 8222
Steve DelBianco: (13:03) Greg -- what is difference between your two doc attachments? Both show markups
David McAuley: (13:07) i did also
Steve DelBianco: (13:07) right, Greg. So those are the SAME content, right?
Steve DelBianco: (13:08) An SOI joke. Good one
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:08) docs sent 1 PDF of spreadsheet and 1 PDF and Word of the edited recommendations
David McAuley: (13:08) lol
Steve DelBianco: (13:09) those two markups appear slighlt differnt on my screen, so I was confused. Better now
Steve DelBianco: (13:11) Greg is timing you, THomas. So don't be "excessive" <joking>
Finn Petersen,: (13:14) The comment from Denmark is from the Danish Goverment - not from me even though I have sign the letter
Greg Shatan: (13:14) Tick tock, Thomas. Tick tock.
David McAuley: (13:22) Fair warning, thanks Bernie
Brenda Brewer: (13:24) Scroll is on for all
David McAuley: (13:26) i like reasonable and suggest we approive it
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (13:26) I suppose that if best efforts in US law means absolute best efforts, then adding reasonable seems reasonable ;)
Steve DelBianco: (13:27) is "commercially reasonable" different than "reasonable" efforts?
Greg Shatan: (13:27) Not different enough to matter.
Farzaneh Badii: (13:29) but what does "reasonable" mean
Steve DelBianco: (13:29) Does "Best Efforts" create an obligation to expend any and all means and resources? If so, we should seek a different standard of effort
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (13:29) that would make a good question for a phd! haha
Farzaneh Badii: (13:30) It seems like in US it means that Steve.
Steve DelBianco: (13:31) Even if we lower the standard of effort, let's ensure tha tICANN is obligated to make an effort
David McAuley: (13:31) It's a high burden but ultimatelyt a court/panel will interpret it
Farzaneh Badii: (13:31) I agree with Steve.
David McAuley 2: (13:34) i lost connection for a short time
David McAuley 2: (13:35) I would follow Greg on that in explaining this discussion - ut remains a recooemdnation that would impose a burden
Farzaneh Badii: (13:35) Agreed Steve. there has to be an obligation to begin
Leon Sanchez: (13:36) hello everyone. My apologies for lateness. I had some technical issues with my ISP
Robin Gross: (13:36) I think Steve is proposing a good compromise that serves all.
Steve DelBianco: (13:36) okay with the obligation to apply
David McAuley 2: (13:37) taht's right Greg - it is and remains an obligation
David McAuley 2: (13:37) bad typing day
David McAuley 2: (13:39) Bernie's hand up
Farzaneh Badii: (13:39) "reasonable best effort"
Tatiana Tropina: (13:39) Hi all, sorry for joining late
Farzaneh Badii: (13:39) that's the change Tatiana
Tatiana Tropina: (13:39) seems I missed the poll
Greg Shatan: (13:40) Poll is still open
David McAuley 2: (13:42) I am ok with either term
Steve DelBianco: (13:42) acceptable is acceptable
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (13:42) I'd rather go with acceptable
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (13:42) ;)
Robin Gross: (13:42) no strong view - either ok
David McAuley 2: (13:42) I can acccept that
Farzaneh Badii: (13:44) ok
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:45) time check - 45 minutes left in call
Farzaneh Badii: (13:48) I agree with Steve. we need to have a broad sanction relief not limited to OFAC
Tatiana Tropina: (13:49) +1 to Farz and Steve
David McAuley 2: (13:49) This underscores the usefulness of the term 'reasonable' as we just discussed.
Farzaneh Badii: (13:50) +1
Farzaneh Badii: (13:51) we support the change
Tatiana Tropina: (13:51) seems reasonable to me.
Steve DelBianco: (13:51) I think it is both reasonable and acceptable
Robin Gross: (13:52) ok
Tatiana Tropina: (13:52) Tanya is a reasonable name!
Robin Gross: (13:52) but is it acceptable?
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:52) Best effort
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:52) ;-)
Olga Cavalli 2: (13:53) I will join another call in 5 minutes thanks.
Farzaneh Badii: (13:54) oh please also note down the name of NCSG, CSG, all their constituencies and my good name as well! (joking)
Farzaneh Badii: (13:55) content of comment is enough thank you
David McAuley 2: (13:55) agreed
David McAuley 2: (13:56) acceptable
Farzaneh Badii: (14:00) I have to leave. sorry. have a good meeting.
David McAuley 2: (14:01) The menu approach will need a fair amount of clarification, I think
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (14:01) At the time of operationalisation yes
Finn Petersen,: (14:02) Then it should not be part of the menu
David McAuley 2: (14:02) a short menu, no daily specials, said as a supporter of the status quo
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (14:03) I have to leave as well. To provide you an answer on what you have said Greg, I am more of the opinion that the menu should be small, and pre-cleared, and that registries "select". Have a nice evening all!
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (14:04) yes. it would. Now I don't know whether we would contravene Thomas' guidelines ;)
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:04) no no no this is just intellectual masturbation
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:04) lets move on
David McAuley 2: (14:05) abstain
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (14:05) support to Finn
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:06) apologies wrong chat
David McAuley 2: (14:06) IMO< the introduction to this menu approach is most important -- up to ICANN and CPH to discuss/negotiaste
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (14:06) true David yes
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:06) support point made by David
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (14:07) Alright, I go now good evening all.
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:07) hand David
David McAuley 2: (14:07) hand up
David McAuley 2: (14:09) ok thankls
David McAuley 2: (14:09) let's hope not to go back out for comment
David McAuley 2: (14:10) OK, agree Greg, thanks
David McAuley 2: (14:14) what about other toolks comment
David McAuley 2: (14:15) tools, that is, sheesh
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:16) david hand
David McAuley 2: (14:16) good solution
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:17) 6.03
Robin Gross: (14:19) We should make this change suggested by NCSG
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:21) time check - 10 minutes left in call
Tatiana Tropina: (14:21) I disagree with David (while respecting his opinion a lot)
Tatiana Tropina: (14:22) we talked a lot about the wording that will ask ICANN to try to obtain a general license but without putting them into the risk of being obliged to put all the money into getting it
Tatiana Tropina: (14:23) Greg, yes -- this should be a priority (taking into account costs and obstacles)
Tatiana Tropina: (14:24) can we find a compromise with ICANN legal on this? If we have a general direction, I mean if we decide to strengthen the language related to general licence
Tatiana Tropina: (14:24) I suggest we discuss this on the next call
Tatiana Tropina: (14:24) as we don't have much time left, it's a significant issue
David McAuley 2: (14:25) IMO< we got language right the first time, but happy to consider specific proposed revision
Tatiana Tropina: (14:25) Greg, can you make it as an action item eg on the list?
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:25) ok
Tatiana Tropina: (14:25) (God am speaking like GNSO - action item...)
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:26) reminder deadline of 2 March
Tatiana Tropina: (14:26) 2 March is plenty, plenty of time :-)
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:27) Action Item NCSG Participants requested to provide draft language with respect to comment 6.03
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:27) Begin next meetting with comment 6.05
David McAuley 2: (14:28) none here
Thomas Rickert: (14:30) Thanks Greg!
Thomas Rickert: (14:30) Bye all!
David McAuley 2: (14:30) Thanks Greg, Bernie, and all
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): (14:30) thanks and bye all!
Tatiana Tropina: (14:30) thank Greg - thanks all!