Sub-group Members:   Cheryl Langdon-Orr, David McAuley, Finn Petersen, Greg Shatan, Kavouss Arasteh, Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix, Steve DelBianco, Tijani Ben Jemaa

Observers/Guests:  Luisa Paez, Rita Houkayem, Taylor R.W. Bentley, Thomas Rickert

ICANN Org:  Bernard Turcotte, Brenda Brewer, Laurent Farrali, Meghan Healy,

Apologies:  Jorge Cancio

 ** If your name is missing from attendance or apology, please send note to **




  1. Welcome
  2. Review of Agenda 
  3. Administration 
    1. Changes to SOIs
    2. Identify Audio Only and Phone Number Participants
  4. Continued analysis of comments 
    1. Complete initial Review comments
    2. Strategy for updating recommendations
  5. AOB 
  6. Adjourn (next meeting 7 February 1900UTC)

Raw Captioning Notes

Disclaimer: This rough edit transcript, which may contain missing, misspelled or paraphrased words, is only provided for your immediate review and is not certified as verbatim and is not to be cited in any way. 


  • Next meeting on 7 February will be for 90 minutes.

Action Items:


  • Participants review draft language prior to next call.

Documents Presented

Chat Transcript

  Brenda Brewer: (1/31/2018 06:26) Good day all!  Welcome to WS2 Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #53 on 31 January 2018 @ 13:00 UTC.

  Brenda Brewer: (06:35) When not speaking, please mute your phone by pressing *6 (star 6). To unmute, *6. This call is recorded.

  Brenda Brewer: (06:36) Reminder to all, for captioning and transcription, please  state your name before speaking and speak slowly.  Thank you!

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (06:54) hello all

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (06:55) hello all

  CART: (06:55) Hello!

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (06:55) ping

  Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (06:55) hello!

  CART: (06:57) Brenda,  who will be the Rapporteur today?

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (06:57) Greg Shatan

  CART: (06:58) Thank you

  CART: (06:59) Audio is good.  Thank you!

  David McAuley: (07:01) Brenda, I am 8222

  Kavouss Arasteh: (07:01) Brenda

  Kavouss Arasteh: (07:01) I AM CONNECTED

  David McAuley: (07:02) ok

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (07:02) reminder please mute when not speaking

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (07:02) hi all

  Thomas Rickert: (07:03) Hi all!

  Kavouss Arasteh 2: (07:11) MY telephone line is disconnected May you tryo dial again

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (07:11) @Kavouss ok

  David McAuley: (07:12) pesky host

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (07:12) correct

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (07:13) @David - you have no idea ;-)

  David McAuley: (07:13) :-)

  Kavouss Arasteh 3: (07:14) Brenda

  Thomas Rickert: (07:14) ...meeting all other eligibility requirements?

  Brenda Brewer: (07:14) The operator is calling you momentarily.  Thank you

  David McAuley: (07:14) how about viable applicant

  Kavouss Arasteh 3: (07:15) Sorry I am disconnectded M

  Brenda Brewer: (07:15) Kavouss, the operator is calling you momentarily

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (07:16) time check - 75 minutes left in call

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (07:17) tijani is next in line

  Kavouss Arasteh 3: (07:18) That is ok now tks

  Kavouss Arasteh 3: (07:18) That is ok now tk <t

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (07:18) Still on 8.07

  Kavouss Arasteh 3: (07:19) distorted voice

  Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (07:20) I think Thomas' is a good idea

  David McAuley: (07:20) Thanks @Thomas

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (07:21) say the  number please

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (07:21) Poole 8.09

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (07:21) Middle Ease Space 8.10

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (07:21) East

  David McAuley: (07:23) Fair point by Steve

  Steve DelBianco: (07:24) I did say we should mentoin OFAC, Kavouss

  David McAuley: (07:24) No problem with Kavouss's point either

  Kavouss Arasteh 3: (07:25) Tks Steve and David in maintaining OFAC plus

  Kavouss Arasteh 3: (07:26) Tks Steve and David in maintaining OFAC plusand

  Steve DelBianco: (07:29) True, Tijani!

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (07:29) Tijani and then Kavouss

  David McAuley: (07:29) Good point @Tijani

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (07:30) Apololgies if there is confusion on colour - these comments were not relevant to any specific recommendation which is why we flipped the colouring

  Steve DelBianco: (07:31) Kavouss -- several commenters agreed with Minority Report.  So the BC  offered its view that the minority report did not enjoy our support

  David McAuley: (07:31) Thanks Bernie, understood

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (07:32) Kaovuss

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (07:32) then Tijani

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (07:33) yes

  Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (07:33) yes

  Steve DelBianco: (07:33) So, Kavouss believes it is appropriate to indicate support for the Minority Report.   But he does not want to allow disagreement with the Minority report?

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (07:34) Makes sense to change the colour - will do

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (07:34) @ tijani was indicating support for the minority view - but will change vs main report

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (07:35) Kavouss

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (07:38) Kavouss hand

  Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (07:38) The tone seems a bit acrimonious and not quite constructive overall

  Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (07:38) re John Poole's submission

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (07:41) Steve

  Steve DelBianco: (07:44) The BC offers the Stress Tests for consideration of this WS2 group.   We are not requesting that they be added to the report

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (07:45) Time check - 45 minutes left in call

  Kavouss Arasteh 3: (07:46) we would likje to maintaIN THE STRESS  TESTS associated with the report

  Steve DelBianco: (07:46) would be easier for people to open the Google Doc in a separate browser tab

  Brenda Brewer: (07:47)

  Kavouss Arasteh 3: (07:49) Dear  Bernie

  Finn Petersen 2: (07:49) I can not speak now, but I can send a suggestion for adjustments to the report on the email list

  Kavouss Arasteh 3: (07:49) Pls kindly correct the spelling and CAP ain the captions

  Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (07:50) Re Italy's submission: I am not sure I fully understand where they want to go with the CRC and in addition they just disagree with all options and do not really suggest besides a "clear legal framework"

  Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (07:50) sorry cannot use audio today btw

  Brenda Brewer: (07:53) scroll is on for all

  Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (07:53) I don't feel there is any change recommended either. Or we would need further precisions on what they imply with invoking the convention on the rights of the child in this context

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (07:55) David hand

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (07:55) Kavouss hand

  Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (07:57) but cant there be venue shopping  as part of contracts w/o a choice of law?

  David McAuley 2: (07:58) good point @Raphael as to venue shopping

  Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (07:58) its sure that spelling out options make it clear where you can go and shop I suppose..

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (07:59) Kavouss hand

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (08:02) Bernard hand

  Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (08:03) yes, but quality is low though

  David McAuley 2: (08:04) on mute?

  Kavouss Arasteh 4: (08:05) Greg ,My undersatnding of yr comments is aligne the summary with the main report

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (08:06) time check 25 minutes left in call

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (08:06) Kavovuss hand

  David McAuley 2: (08:07) agree with Greg on that minor change

  David McAuley 2: (08:08) i.e., impact assessment of menu approach

  Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (08:14) yes. we don't have the power to force discussions or stop them...

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (08:17) time check 15 minutes left

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (08:18) @Kavous hand

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (08:19) Re France will do

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (08:20) 4.05

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (08:22) Kavouss hand

  Bernard turcotte - ICANN: (08:28) bye all

  David McAuley 2: (08:28) Thanks Greg and all, good bye

  Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (08:28) thanks all bye bye

  Thomas Rickert: (08:28) bye all

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