Sub-group Members: Brian Scarpelli, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, David McAuley, Erich Schweighofer, Farzaneh Badii, Finn Petersen, Greg Shatan, Griffin Barnett, Herb Waye, Milton Mueller, Raphaël Beauregard-Lacroix, Robin Gross, Samantha Eisner, Thiago Jardim, Tijani Ben Jemaa (15)
ICANN Org: Bernard Turcotte, Berry Cobb, Brenda Brewer
Apologies: Wale Bakare
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- Word Doc
- Review of Agenda (2 minutes)
- Administration (1 minute)
- Changes to SOIs
- Identify Audio Only and Phone Number Participants
- Complete Discussion of “Choice of Law and Choice of Venue Recommendation” (25 minutes)
- Finalize Subgroup Report (25 minutes)
- AOB (5 minutes)
- Adjourn (next meeting 18 October 13:00 UTC)
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- WS2_Jurisdiction_Choice of Law and Choice of Venue_Draft Recommendation 11 OCTOBER 2017
- CCWG-Accountability-WS2-Jurisdiction-Draft Report 11OCT2017
Brenda Brewer: (10/11/2017 13:38) Good day all! Welcome to WS2 Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #50 on 11 October 2017 @ 19:00 UTC.
Brenda Brewer: (13:38) When not speaking, please mute your phone by pressing *6 (star 6). To unmute, *6. This call is recorded.
Brenda Brewer: (13:39) Reminder to all, for captioning and transcription, please state your name before speaking and speak slowly. Thank you!
CART: (13:46) Hello, Brenda! Can you please tell me who the Rapporteur will be for this meeting?
Brenda Brewer: (13:46) Greg Shatan is Rapporteur today
CART: (13:47) Thank you very much!
Brenda Brewer: (13:58) Dial out to Kavouss, no answer. I know he is traveling today.
Herb Waye Ombuds: (13:59) Hello all...
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (13:59) hi all hear you Bernie
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:59) Hello all
Herb Waye Ombuds: (14:00) Hi Cheryl, do you ever sleep?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:00) did my voice check come through?
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:00) partially
Brenda Brewer: (14:00) partially for me as well, Cheryl.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:01) no Herb an organisation I work with makes sure I. only get nap time
David McAuley: (14:01) I am #4154
Brenda Brewer: (14:01) Thank you, David.
Brenda Brewer: (14:01) Better, Cheryl!
Milton Mueller: (14:03) we have finalized the OFAC rec, right?
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:03) correct
Milton Mueller: (14:04) we have stuck a fork in it
Milton Mueller: (14:04) so to speak
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:04) yes and it was cooked
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:06) audio
Brenda Brewer: (14:06) Choice of Law and Choice of Venue Google doc - https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1Z7A233KiPQV2ijVgWzxWOv3eePTy9rSPIMFxbiZ86lo_edit&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=kbiQDH54980u4nTPfwdloDLY6-6F24x0ArAvhdeDvvc&m=fi1k2MvDuXmNwQujRya0pZ2rXGEBAjC8AMUItR5jFP0&s=Ay0NeHm5DOaltkq58yFXvIRUJHfqCZYvzT-d2938Mmg&e=
Finn Petersen, DK: (14:13) Please change "However, there are several disadvantages of the Menu approach." to "However, there are some disadvantages of the Menu approach."
Finn Petersen, DK: (14:14) p 2
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:14) mid page 3
Finn Petersen, DK: (14:14) no p3
Finn Petersen, DK: (14:14) middl
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:15) header
Milton Mueller: (14:15) No jbection,
Milton Mueller: (14:15) support
David McAuley: (14:15) no obj
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (14:15) yes, probabyl a better word
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (14:15) *probably
Finn Petersen, DK: (14:16) sorry - no audio
Milton Mueller: (14:17) thanks for making room for consensus David
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (14:18) I second Milton on that!
Thiago Jardim: (14:18) I missed the question, just arrived.
Thiago Jardim: (14:18) reserve my position on this
David McAuley: (14:19) Lot of work on this by many - a good debate
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:20) indeed David
Thiago Jardim: (14:20) Sorry, someone came by and I missed whether there was an explanation to my previous question.
Brenda Brewer: (14:21) Draft Report: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_135c03wFSIlz1Lqdv6Tte8sw7tMinsQEgy0CoNtRXT4Y_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=kbiQDH54980u4nTPfwdloDLY6-6F24x0ArAvhdeDvvc&m=fi1k2MvDuXmNwQujRya0pZ2rXGEBAjC8AMUItR5jFP0&s=T2Hvl4Z0iiy5gUCNLXSQGShqXR9J7iJYVpbHkD8Jffc&e=
Thiago Jardim: (14:21) Just to be clear, there is no endorsement of the report so on my part.
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (14:21) I'm fine with current language on that
Erich Schweighofer: (14:26) We should change the language "agreed to prioritize" to the new version.
Milton Mueller: (14:26) very minor editorial - boldface Annex E
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:26) will do
Thiago Jardim: (14:27) Can you comment again on the bit "agreed to prioritise"
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix 2: (14:27) nice catch Erich!
Thiago Jardim: (14:27) this is not wholly accurate, there was no agreement on that.
Milton Mueller: (14:27) the new language reflects that Thaigo
Thiago Jardim: (14:28) What's the new language, could you please copy and paste it here?
Milton Mueller: (14:28) Thiago
Milton Mueller: (14:28) just "the group prioritized" rather than "agreed to prioritized"
Thiago Jardim: (14:28) I disagree, as I explained in an e-mail Ijust sent
Thiago Jardim: (14:29) Thank you, Milton.
Thiago Jardim: (14:29) Greg, you should count parminder's contrary vote
farzaneh badii: (14:30) i am green
Thiago Jardim: (14:30) which makes 2 on this call, against perhaps 5 favourable votes.
Thiago Jardim: (14:30) I suggest it would be a fairer description of the group's view not to portray it as consensus
Thiago Jardim: (14:30) but you should call a poll
Thiago Jardim: (14:31) I suggest the voting be postponed until the end of today
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:31) we have I believe consensus
Milton Mueller: (14:31) what part of the consensus do you not support, Thiago
Thiago Jardim: (14:31) so that people on the list be given an opportunity to react
David McAuley: (14:31) I agree with Greg's handling
Robin Gross: (14:31) We have consensus.
Thiago Jardim: (14:31) Milton, I oppose the report to the extent it left out the issues we consider central.
Milton Mueller: (14:31) which issues were those?
David McAuley: (14:32) and the plenary call next week
Robin Gross: (14:32) All my points don't get in documents either. They tell me to file a dissent.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:32) raise that in the plenary
Thiago Jardim: (14:32) I'm re-raising the point here, so it can be raised in the plenary.
Finn Petersen, DK: (14:32) Wow - it was an effective meeting and a good result
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:32) that was reply to Thiago, not Robin
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix 2: (14:32) fair enough, then
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:33) indeed Finn but a lot of work to get here
David McAuley: (14:33) a milestone in a long process, thanks Greg
Thiago Jardim: (14:33) Milton, the issues we proposed when there was a call to do that.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:33) thank you everyone and special thanks to you Greg
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix 2: (14:33) thanks to you Greg!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:34) agreed Greg
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix 2: (14:34) It was still a collective work! thanks to everyone
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:36) we only require consensus and yes minority or decenting views can be attached even after 1st read O believe
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix 2: (14:37) that would be reasonable I suppose, yes
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix 2: (14:37) yes
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:37) desent can be raised at the plenary
David McAuley: (14:38) Based on what Thiago just said, i.e. the certainty of a minority report or dissenting opinion, it seems the report should state that such a report will be forthcoming
Thiago Jardim: (14:38) Thank you Bernie,
Thiago Jardim: (14:38) Im having audio problems, but I could read your intervention from the transcript
Thiago Jardim: (14:39) I appreciate it and find it agreeable
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:39) OK Please send to the list by then
David McAuley: (14:39) good point about transmittal email
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:39) easy enough to raise in transmittal message yes
Thiago Jardim: (14:39) let me quit the room and re enter it
David McAuley: (14:40) we are all about to leave I think
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:40) @ Thiago we are done not worth it
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:40) thanks all
Milton Mueller: (14:40) I say we declare adjourning early a major victory
Farzaneh Badii: (14:40) Thank you Greg for all the work
Robin Gross: (14:40) Thanks, Greg and all, bye!
David McAuley: (14:40) we may have withdrawal symptoms next wednesday
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (14:41) yep done.. bye ð for now
Milton Mueller: (14:41) Bye all! See you in AD!
Herb Waye Ombuds: (14:41) Thanks everyone
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix 2: (14:41) bye bye everyone
Erich Schweighofer: (14:41) Servus from Vienna
Thiago Jardim: (14:41) Bye, thanks
David McAuley: (14:41) thanks Greg, bernie and all, good bye
Finn Petersen, DK: (14:41) bye
Greg Shatan: (14:41) Goodbye all and thank you!
CART: (14:41) Thank you!