Sub-group Members: Alan Greenberg, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Farzaneh Badii, Herb Waye, Jorge Villa, Julf Helsingius, Kavouss Arasteh, Olga Cavalli, Rinalia Abdul Rahim, Sebastien Bachollet, Steve DelBianco (11)
Staff: Bernard Turcotte, Brenda Brewer
Apologies: Greg Shatan
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0. Call Admin and Roll Call / Apologies (2min-CLO) Apologies
1. Welcome - Opening Remarks - Our aim and purpose for today's call (3-5 min-SDB, CLO)
2. Review (brief) of last meeting records here and any Action Items (5-10 min- SDB, CLO)
Refer here to our Google Doc and any list interaction on changes to draft text.
3. Primary Agenda Item - Discussion (25-35 min SDB, FB)
- Review Public Comment documentation, and consideration of any amendments to our recommendations, from our last call and intersession list exchanges.
Please see Document for reference on this item
4. Next Steps. Standing Item - (5 min- CLO, SB)
- - CCWG still need to determine if any changes to our report are significant or not.
- If significant changes are recommended, CCWG-Accountability WS2 may require a second public consultation.
- If changes are not significant, CCWG-Accountability WS2 can forward final recommendations to Chartering Organizations for approval, and then to the ICANN Board for consideration and adoption. Noting the timeline and Key milestone dates.
5. AOB / Meeting Schedule (5 min- CLO)
- Thursday 24th @ 1900 UTC
- Thursday 31st @ 0500 UTC
Raw Captioning Notes
Disclaimer: This rough edit transcript, which may contain missing, misspelled or paraphrased words, is only provided for your immediate review and is not certified as verbatim and is not to be cited in any way.
- SDB and FB to update document per comments for next meeting.
Brenda Brewer: (8/17/2017 07:35) Good day and welcome to WS2 SOAC Accountability Subgroup Meeting #29 on 17 August 2017 @ 13:00 UTC!
Brenda Brewer: (07:36) If you are not speaking, please mute your phone by pressing *6 (star 6). This call is recorded.
Brenda Brewer: (07:36) Reminder to all, please speak slowly and state your name before speaking for the Captioner. Thank you!
Kavouss Arasteh 2: (07:49) Dear Brenda
Kavouss Arasteh 2: (07:49) Pls read your mail and kindly advise to diaL MY TEMPORARY Numebr
Brenda Brewer: (07:51) Thank you for notice, Kavouss. I will call number noted in email. Thank you.
Steve DelBianco: (07:54) Brenda -- do you have the comment PDF I sent most recently? We will display that one
Brenda Brewer: (07:55) I do have your pdf uploaded to show on screen.
Kavouss Arasteh 2: (07:55) Dear Colleagues
Captioner: (07:56) Good morning, good afternoon, good evening :)
Alan Greenberg: (07:57) Will be on AC, but participating in other meeting in parallel. Will try to keep eye on chat in case question for me.
Kavouss Arasteh 2: (07:57) Without counting three distinguished co- rapporteur and not double counting 8 I have been registered twice) before strating ,we need to make sure that there is qurum
Alan Greenberg: (07:57) BEst to initiate private chat which may catch my eye.
Kavouss Arasteh 2: (07:59) Observer should not be counted as they can not either talk nor post a essage. This matter should be decided by participants without the any one else
Brenda Brewer: (08:01) Kavouss, operator has attempted to call per the instructions you provided. Operator reports there is no answer on your phone. Thank you!
Herb Waye Ombuds: (08:01) Hello everyone, can only participate for a few minutes, if anything comes up for the ombuds later in the call please email me on the list
Steve DelBianco: (08:03) Herb -- please see the response sheet, row 38
Herb Waye Ombuds: (08:03) ok
Steve DelBianco: (08:06) @Herb: Is that an appropriate role for Ombuds?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2: (08:06) Yes Certainly Steve
Julf Helsingius: (08:07) Seems to, yes
Steve DelBianco: (08:07) https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spreadsheets_d_1uAjMUtnaigi5-2DzSMGmmIbvFNcPxGQC0cMB-5Fa7XskQfI_edit-23gid-3D639129231&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=kbiQDH54980u4nTPfwdloDLY6-6F24x0ArAvhdeDvvc&m=3oZyEEIQ2jVfa2JRdosqmOZu_hgkPG2nmyRkVrM6v5A&s=F8NzPouQYPm_nKekabiB4NZKgJZEQCxdhTI1aO3QUPs&e=
Herb Waye Ombuds: (08:08) Steve, it looks ok, as an independent review of any process. It can be underlined in any final document
Herb Waye Ombuds: (08:09) No audio this morning sorry
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2: (08:09) Noted Herb ... Thanks
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2: (08:10) We are focussing on Column E in each row
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2: (08:11) Thnks for being able to join us for this call Rinalia...
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2: (08:15) Appreciate that Rinalia, we can add those points/ clarifications
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2: (08:18) Excellent Rinalia
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2: (08:22) Rinalia dod you want to comment/respond
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2: (08:22) RT's yes such as ATRT
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (08:30) time check - 30 minutes left in call
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2: (08:30) Thx Bernie
Kavouss Arasteh 2: (08:31) Iam disappointed to just listen to argument between Steve and Rinalia for more than 17 mints
Steve DelBianco: (08:31) Rinalia: AC/SO chairs could come together to resolve problems/questions occuring during a review.
Herb Waye Ombuds: (08:32) I have to run folks, please drop me an email on list if you have anything for me. Bye
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2: (08:32) Bye Herb Thx
Rinalia Abdul Rahim: (08:34) Thank you for giving me the time to engage. I appreciate the group's patience.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2: (08:34) Thank you for your contributions Rinalia
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2: (08:35) Steve can you slide to show Column E on screen please
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2: (08:41) That is the businss of the AC or SO
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2: (08:44) It is the sort of thing that is best dealt with in Internal Processes
Olga Cavalli: (08:45) Hi apologies for being so late, was in other meeting
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2: (08:45) we are leaving that minuta to each AC and SO ... I am not suggesting that such a practice would be an issue at all just that this is an internal ACSO matter
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2: (08:46) NOT refering to the practice per se Farzi rather that we in this work do not need to go into that evle of detail on behalf of each AC and SO
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2: (08:46) NOT refering to the practice per se Farzi rather that we in this work do not need to go into that evle of detail on behalf of each AC and SO\
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2: (08:47) Time check ... less than 15 mins left and many rows to get through at this rate we will be continuing or work next week now as oppossed to finishing our read through in this call
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2: (08:47) hy stop at term limits
Kavouss Arasteh 2: (08:51) Steve, May we go a little bit faster
Kavouss Arasteh 2: (08:52) Steve, I admire yr devotion but we have had consensus on all thes
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (08:52) hans
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (08:52) hand
Julf Helsingius: (08:52) I agree with disagreeing
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (08:53) will type it
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (08:53) Diversity sub-group is working on this type of thing
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2: (08:53) Language Services does do more than the 6 UN languages
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2: (08:53) on a needs basis
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2: (08:55) OK
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (08:56) Time Check - 5 minutes left
Farzaneh Badii: (08:57) I like that answer too Rinalia!
Farzaneh Badii: (08:57) who watches the watchers can get into a vicious circle!
Farzaneh Badii: (08:58) but we are individually adhering to principles of transoparency etc
Farzaneh Badii: (08:58) ombuds is already being used for internal SOAC complaints too
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2: (08:59) indeed
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2: (09:00) Good point to cross reference into the important change proposed to the Ombuds office
Steve DelBianco: (09:01) we made it thru row 31. only 10 rows to go!
Steve DelBianco: (09:02) Apologies if I missed it, Kavouss. But I did not see your hand raised
Farzaneh Badii: (09:02) thanks all bye
Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2: (09:02) Bye all