Sub-group Members:  Alan Greenberg, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Sebastien Bachollet, Steve Del Bianco.

Staff:  Patrick Dodson, Yvette Guigneaux – Shannon (captioner).

Apologies:  Johan Helsingius, Jorge Villa, Herb Waye, Farzaneh Badii.

** If your name is missing from attendance or apology, please send note to **


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0.  Call Admin and Roll Call / Apologies (2min-CLO )  Apologies 

1.  Welcome - Opening Remarks - Our aim and purpose for today's call (3-5 min-SDB, CLO)

2.  Review (brief) of last meeting records here and any Action Items (5-10 min- SDB, CLO) 

Refer here to our Google Doc and any list interaction on changes to draft text. As per email from Steve on Aug 6th where he advised to the list the following:

      • ...a revised report that reflects consensus on our 3-Aug subgroup call:
      • Added a clarifying note about ASO on page 3, to say we are only addressing their ICANN activities.
      • Revised the Transparency Good Practice for publishing meeting records, on pages 6-7, regarding open and closed meetings.    With that in place, we can remove the meeting records practice under “Participation”
      • Revised the "Annual Report" good practice on page 6.
      • We may need a note to clarify what we mean by “members”, but I don’t think so.
      • SOAC ACCT REPORT, draft 3.2     The Google Doc version is available [].
      • The summary matrix of public comments (plus PDF), where Column E shows our response to the comment.  (I think we should use this matrix to guide our comment response work on upcoming calls.) 
      • Please review and comment before our next call, on 10-Aug-2017."

3.  Primary Agenda Item - Discussion (25-35 min SDB, FB)

      • Review Public Comment documentation, and consideration of any amendments to our recommendations, from our last call and intersession list exchanges. Starting point for today can be text regarding Open and Closed Meetings.
      • Please see this Document for reference on this item (to be displayed in the call) 

4.   Next Steps. Standing Item - (5 min- CLO, SB)

      • CCWG still need to determine if any changes to our report are significant or not.
        - If significant changes are recommended, CCWG-Accountability WS2 may require a second public consultation.
        - If changes are not significant, CCWG-Accountability WS2 can forward final recommendations to Chartering Organizations for approval, and then to the ICANN Board for consideration and adoption. Noting the timeline and Key milestone dates.                        

5.  AOB / Meeting Schedule (5 min- CLO)

August Dates:

      • Thursday 17th @ 1300 UTC
      • Thursday 24th @ 1900 UTC
      • Thursday 31st @ 0500 UTC

Decisions, Action Items & Requests:

CCWG-Accountability-WS2-SO AC- Meeting- 10 AUG 2017 -DAIRs.pdf

Raw Captioning Notes

Disclaimer: This rough edit transcript, which may contain missing, misspelled or paraphrased words, is only provided for your immediate review and is not certified as verbatim and is not to be cited in any way. 

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Chat Transcript

  Yvette Guigneaux: (8/9/2017 14:27) Hi All and welcome all to the SO/AC Meeting #28 | Aug 2017 @ 05:00 UTC!

  Yvette Guigneaux: (14:27) If you are not speaking, please mute your phone by pressing *6 (star 6).  This call is recorded.

  Yvette Guigneaux: (14:27) Reminder to all, please speak slowly and state your name before speaking for the Captioner. 

  Captioner: (21:46) Hello

  Captioner: (21:49) Could you make me host please?

  Yvette Guigneaux: (21:49) hi, one moment please

  Captioner: (21:49) No worries.

  Yvette Guigneaux: (21:50) there you go

  Captioner: (21:50) Thank you.

  Yvette Guigneaux: (21:50) what is your name?

  Captioner: (21:50) Shannon

  Yvette Guigneaux: (21:50) Hi Shannon, nice to meet you

  Captioner: (21:51) You as well, Yvette.

  Yvette Guigneaux: (21:53) See you loud and clear

  Shannon - Captioner: (21:54) Excellent!

  Steve DelBianco: (21:57) Yvetter -- we are going to look at this Google Sheet.

  Steve DelBianco: (21:57) are you able to display this in Adobe, or shall I make a PDF ?

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (21:58) Just me comming back into audio

  Yvette Guigneaux: (21:58) good to go Steve

  Yvette Guigneaux: (21:58) ok Cheryl

  Yvette Guigneaux: (21:58) you are popular today  =)

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (21:58) I am Chairing another call

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (21:59)  Sorry that was meant for my other call that keeps  ringing me

  Yvette Guigneaux: (22:00) no worries

  Yvette Guigneaux: (22:01) Cheryl - the line is a bit muffled for you - just fyi

  Sebastien (ALAC): (22:02) Dificult to understand you Cheryl

  Sebastien (ALAC) 2: (22:04) Hello It is Sebastien Bachollet writing, I will be only by phine for the rest of the call - sorry for that.

  Yvette Guigneaux: (22:04) reminder invite sent

  Sebastien (ALAC) 2: (22:04) Hope it will work after I disconnect from Adobe

  Yvette Guigneaux: (22:05) Sebastien is only on the phone currently

  Yvette Guigneaux: (22:06) scrolling available if need be

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:07) Thx Yvette

  Alan Greenberg: (22:08) WE really need to pass that wording by the ASO to make sure THEY beleive it addresses the issue.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:08) Let's make that an AI then

  Yvette Guigneaux: (22:11) yes

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:12) Sigh I had spoken but with mute on ;--)  Yes  and I was noting our thanks  to Farzi for turning this table into a Google spreadsheet for our use

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:16) Happy for a screen share  Yes

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:16) Much better Thx Yvette

  Yvette Guigneaux: (22:17) yw

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:18) Be best if you just indicate if you wish to edit or embelish the ST Responses as listed so far as we go through

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:27) I dont see it as a Must catagory

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:28) agree Alan

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:35) AGreed

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:36) Just a reminder t say your names before each intervention  people

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:38) But try to say your names ;-)

  Yvette Guigneaux: (22:38) row 7 - on screen

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:40) for RT's  not ACSO Reviews

  Patrick Dodson: (22:41) Hello all, regarding the issue of broader accountability - With all respect to the current positions stated, and not intending to be argumentative, I’d pose the question in an analogy of “states vs federal” points of view and perspective on this issue.The question that the board is posing, is in effect, does the respective constituency (“state”, in this analogy), have any duty or responsibility as part of the greater community (the “federal” position of the collective “states” in the “union of ICANN”)?In other words, are we just “Texans, or new Yorkers,” or are we also “americans”? all apologies to those not based in the US for this analogy.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:45) So I am back to saying  NO  as nicely as you care to

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:47) Delivery of reports are rarely delayed and usually have totally unrealistic time frames

  Steve DelBianco: (22:48) AC/SOs move as quickly as they are able in the selection of team members.   When it comes to Review Team members performing their work and delivering a report, we are not aware of any measures that would make their work more timely.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:49) Steve the ACSO's  hav no real influence ability  to speed up of IN RT speed anyway

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:49) ICANN can resource RT's diiferently but that is NOT ACSO mandate

  Steve DelBianco: (22:51) We are unable to identify any mechanism whereby AC/SO can inidvidually or collectively make their work more timely, in the selection of team members. performing their work, and delivering a report.

  Steve DelBianco: (22:52) Yvette -- I am updating ht actual Google doc while we work

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:53) Naah  just say No

  Yvette Guigneaux: (22:53) copy that Steve

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:55) I doubt we need to go that far in our responses Patric but thanks I do see your point

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (22:56) Time Check 4 mins t end call

  Patrick Dodson: (22:56) nope

  Patrick Dodson: (23:00) "previous" hand

  Patrick Dodson: (23:01) ;o)


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