Sub-group Members: Andrew Harris, Ayden Férdeline, Bartlett, Morgan, Brian Scarpelli, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, David McAuley, Erich Schweighofer, Farzaneh Badii, Finn Petersen, Greg Shatan, Herb Waye, Jeff Neuman, Milton Mueller, Philip Corwin, Raphaël Beauregard-Lacroix, Robin Gross, Steve DelBianco, Tatiana Tropina, Thiago Jardim, Wale Bakare (20)
Observers/Guests: Thomas Rickert
ICANN Org: Bernard Turcotte, Brenda Brewer, Nathalie Vergnolle
Apologies: Kavouss Arasteh
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2. Review of Agenda (1 minutes)
3. Administration (2 minutes)
3.1. Changes to SOIs
3.2. Identify Audio Only and Phone Number Participants
4. The Way Forward: Progress Report
5. AOB (2 Minutes)
6. Adjourn (next meeting 30 August 13:00 UTC)
Raw Captioning Notes
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- It was accepted to initially proceed with the following issues until the issues list is completed:
- Choice of law for registry and registrar agreements.
- GS and Staff will work on completing the list of issues for the next meeting.
- GS will propose a draft recommendation on OFAC to the list prior to the next call.
Brenda Brewer: (8/23/2017 13:42) Good day and welcome to Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #43 on 23 August 2017 @ 19:00 UTC!
Brenda Brewer: (13:42) If you are not speaking, please mute your phone by pressing *6 (star 6). To unmute, *6. This call is recorded.
Brenda Brewer: (13:42) Reminder to all, for captioning and transcription, please state your name before speaking and speak slowly. Thank you!
Bonnie-Captioner: (13:53) Hi, Brenda! Can you please make me a host?
Bonnie-Captioner: (13:53) Thank you!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:58) hi all
David McAuley: (13:59) dialing in, I am 3200
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (13:59) Hello all
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (13:59) Brenda on now, muted the
Jeff Neuman: (14:04) Am i the only one who hears a very high pitch
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:04) No I have it also
Milton: (14:04) me too
David McAuley: (14:04) i hear it
Thomas Rickert: (14:04) No, I have it also,.
Robin Gross: (14:04) I hear it.
David McAuley: (14:04) like background noise
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (14:05) we all hear it I believe...
Thomas Rickert: (14:05) Am glad to hear those frequencies at my age tbqh
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:05) nor am I
Farzaneh Badii: (14:05) this background noise is quite disturbing. it's scratching my soul
David McAuley: (14:05) caused by solar eclipse
Thomas Rickert: (14:05) nice, David!
Jeff Neuman: (14:06) Can someone PLEASE find out where that is coming from
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:06) I am listening via phone though with AC mute
Wale Bakare: (14:06) Hi all, good morning, afternoon, evening
Jeff Neuman: (14:06) do people on phone only hear it as well?
Jeff Neuman: (14:07) If not, I will change to phone
Thomas Rickert: (14:07) I am on the phone for audio and I get the noise, Jeff,
Thomas Rickert: (14:07) -would really be great if staff / the operator could identify the source and stop it.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:08) I hear it from AC audio only
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:08) working on it
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:08) but nothing obvious so far
Bartlett Morgan: (14:08) Hello everyone
Jeff Neuman: (14:08) I imagine this is what a dog wqhistle is like for dogs....
Milton: (14:09) ;-)
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:10) All we will need about 45 seconds to restart the audio to see if it clears the noise
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (14:11) ok
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:11) ok
Jeff Neuman: (14:11) ahhhhhh
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (14:11) all good on my side
Milton: (14:11) it's gone!
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:11) ok that seems betterr
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:11) disconnected the phonee
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:11) yes it would - sorry
Robin Gross: (14:12) Don't hear the noise now.
Jeff Neuman: (14:12) woo hoo
David McAuley: (14:12) cannot hear
Thomas Rickert: (14:12) Noise is gone. Thanks.
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (14:12) we can all enjoy the call peacefully haha
Greg Shatan: (14:13) david can you hear
David McAuley: (14:13) need to redial
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:13) The phone connections were dropped so if using phone lines you will have to reconnect
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:13) dialled back in
Thiago Jardim: (14:13) Greg, as to the number of issues that will eventually feature in any finak report, I'd just like to note that I understand the 2-4 issues is not a hardline limit, and that it may go above that numbe depending on our ability .
Thiago Jardim: (14:13) If you can take that up, I'll avoid asking for the floor to make that point.
David McAuley: (14:13) back in and can hear now
Brenda Brewer: (14:14) Thank you all for your patiences with the audio issue.!!
Thiago Jardim: (14:14) Thank you, I appreciate it,
Brenda Brewer: (14:16) A reminder to please mute your phone lines when not speaking. Thank you!
Thiago Jardim: (14:17) I understand the importance of being focused, but let's see how it goes. Now, instead of discussing that, let's consider the proposals.
David McAuley: (14:17) prioritization is important in listing issues, imo
Robin Gross: (14:17) AGree
Thiago Jardim: (14:18) I think we are on the same page to the extent "likely" allows for flexibility.
Milton: (14:18) Let's go...
Thiago Jardim: (14:18) Let's go. Cheers.
David McAuley: (14:22) let's go with spreadsheet
Thiago Jardim: (14:22) I'd like to ask for clarificaiton
Milton: (14:24) We've been waiting at the gate for 25 minutes
Thiago Jardim: (14:25) I think we may already have enough material to get those ltwo issues out the gate probably very soon, in few days time.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:26) Tim is again against us to go sub group way... unfortunately
Milton: (14:27) So OFAC is one issue?
Milton: (14:27) OK
Farzaneh Badii: (14:30) bad persons? bad hombres!
Milton: (14:32) yes
Milton: (14:32) TLD applicants, approved TLD operators
Thiago Jardim: (14:32) Sanctions can be targeted at countries in general, and not persons in particular. Would you agree?
Milton: (14:33) they can be and that's what we are trying to avoid in DNS.
Milton: (14:33) reading the transscript I cant make sense of your acronyms: LGBT and PCPLD?
Milton: (14:35) :D
Milton: (14:35) apologies I have to leave now
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:35) @Milton this is raw captioning - we get a cleaned up version 3 to 5 days later which is posted to the wiki
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:36) and the cleaned up version is called a transcript
Erich Schweighofer: (14:36) ccTLDs should be covered by the proposed general licence of OFAC
Thiago Jardim: (14:37) We could use a wording that recommends a license for the class of transactions that related to the manaement of the DNS.
Thiago Jardim: (14:37) that are related to the management of the DNS*
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:38) @Thiago uncertain that would cover registrars - and this has been brouht up as an issue
Wale Bakare: (14:39) Transactions are binded agreement between ICANN customers and ICANN
Wale Bakare: (14:40) These include SLAs
Steve DelBianco: (14:40) also, certificattion of an accredited privacy/proxy provider
Thiago Jardim: (14:40) If we can't get into that much detail, we could recomend that studies be undertaken by ICANN to identify the class of transactions that should then be covered by the general license we would be now recommending ICANN to seek from OFAC
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (14:41) yes it might be better that way, it makes it less technically complex to draft a reco
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:41) makes sense to me
Thiago Jardim: (14:42) class of transactions being generally defined by ourselves as those relating to the dns management in the global public interest, including but not necessarily limited... etc.
Wale Bakare: (14:42) Service Level Agreements (SLAs) may include ICANN customers such as the one running the Heirarchical and Distribution DNS services
Thiago Jardim: (14:43) Bernard, that's brilliant
Wale Bakare: (14:43) *ones
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (14:43) Indeed Bernie +1
Wale Bakare: (14:44) Absolutely, Bernie
Farzaneh Badii: (14:45) ICANN's priority should be to facilitate access to DNS ( it says it in its bylaws) I don't understand why we can't make recommendations which asks ICANN to do certain things
Thiago Jardim: (14:46) Give me some credit sometimes Greg :-)
Steve DelBianco: (14:48) reminder: CCWG Consensus Recommendations must be implemented, unless the Board votes 2/3 against implementing.
David McAuley: (14:49) thus our recommendations need to be couched in terms that ICANN can accomplish
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:49) @Steve IF approved by the WS2 AND the chartering orgs
Steve DelBianco: (14:49) Transitional Bylaws describe how CCWG Recommendations are to be considered by board/management
Farzaneh Badii: (14:49) Thanks Steve.
Steve DelBianco: (14:49) of course, Bernie. That's why I said CCWG Consensus recommendations
Thiago Jardim: (14:49) Time constraints should militate against us going into too much detail.
Thiago Jardim: (14:49) I concur with what Bernie said, and believe we should stick to that
Wale Bakare: (14:49) I think we should define, identify what ICANN should look into in our proposal. How it should be implemented can as well be specified, if need be. As Bernie suggested, we have get the scope spelt in the proposal as well
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:50) @Steve - yes just making it clear for everyone
Steve DelBianco: (14:50) so we DO have some leverage to get our best ideas implemented
Thiago Jardim: (14:51) Steve, we should be careful that our ideas do not take away ICANN's ability to imagine other ways of fulfilling whatever we recommend them to do.
Wale Bakare: (14:51) Who are these individuals needing OFAC licences
Steve DelBianco: (14:51) can we think of OFAC as the priority instance of addressing Sanctions in general?
Thiago Jardim: (14:52) and other entities that have contractual relationships with ICANN and fear that they cannot transact with OFAC sanctionned countries, out of fear that they will suffer sanctions.
Farzaneh Badii: (14:54) it could be some registrars that do that as we mentioned and Steve had a good recommendation for that which I put on the mailing list
Thiago Jardim: (14:54) we could use broad language that identifies a class of people/entities who may suffer from OFAC sanctions, similarly to what Bernie said in respect to the definition of 'class of transactions'.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:55) I am going to need to leave just before top of hour for my next call
Wale Bakare: (14:55) Thank you Bernie for speaking my mind. We need to assess the risk before hand
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:55) indeed Bernie!
David McAuley: (14:56) Right Bernie and ICANN cannot give legal advice to third parties
Robin Gross: (14:57) I believe it would also create liability for ICANN if it were to do so.
Thiago Jardim: (14:58) I'd like to point to the fact that we are nor should be limited to adressing what has happened, but also risks that are plausible.
Thiago Jardim: (14:58) That's why recommendations may be general in some respects.
Thiago Jardim: (14:58) We cannot go into listing things that have not happened.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (14:59) bye ð have to drop now, good progress today... thanks everyone
Thiago Jardim: (14:59) And the positive side of a recommendation that points to a general direction, as Bernie said, is that it allows for the flexibility for the Board to tackle issues that may arise later.
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (14:59) bye all
Thomas Rickert: (14:59) Glad to see the group making progress!
Farzaneh Badii: (14:59) Thiago, you want a lot of credit it seems
Thomas Rickert: (14:59) Well done all!
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (15:00) haha
Farzaneh Badii: (15:00) FYI I am not giving you any credit in this stance!
Thiago Jardim: (15:00) Thank you.
Thiago Jardim: (15:00) Apologies Farzie.
David McAuley: (15:00) good bye all
Wale Bakare: (15:01) Thanks everyone, good job! Bye
Steve DelBianco: (15:01) very constructive call.
Thiago Jardim: (15:01) Bye
Farzaneh Badii: (15:01) Bye everyone. great meeting.
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (15:01) bye bye all
Bartlett Morgan: (15:01) Good bye all
Philip Corwin: (15:01) Ciao
Robin Gross: (15:01) Thanks Greg and all, bye!
Tatiana Tropina: (15:01) bye all
Greg Shatan: (15:01) Bye all and thanks!