Sub-group Members:   Bartlett Morgan, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, David McAuley, Erich Schweighofer, Farzaneh Badii, Finn Petersen, Greg Shatan, Griffin Barnett, Herb Waye, Kavouss Arasteh, Mary Uduma, Parminder Singh, Philip Corwin, Steve DelBianco, Tatiana Tropina, Thiago Jardim, Thomas Rickert, Tijani Ben Jemaa   (18)

Observers/Guests:  Abdeldjalil Bachar Bong

ICANN Org:  Bernard Turcotte, Berry Cobb, Brenda Brewer, Meghan Healy, Nigel Hickson

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1. Welcome

2. Review of Agenda (1 minutes)

3. Administration (1 minute)

 3.1. Changes to SOIs

 3.2. Identify Audio Only and Phone Number Participants

4. Discussion of Timeline

5. Discussion of Way Forward Proposal

6. AOB (2 Minutes)

7. Adjourn (next meeting 23 August 1900UTC)

Raw Captioning Notes

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  • Going Forward Proposal – Several modifications were agreed to during the call:
    • Participants can submit more than one issue, but if they do so they need to prioritize these (1, 2, 3, etc.)
    • All issues to be considered should have a proposed solution
    • Issues can be sent to the email list or input on the Google sheet
    • Those who see their issue/solution proposed by another participant can simply post that they support that issue statement.
    • Issues should be posted by 23:59 Monday 23 August
    • As per previous requirements, issues and solutions need to be presented succinctly.

Action Items:

  • GS – Post amended way forward process to list ASAP and ask all participants to submit issues per deadline.
  • GS and Staff – sort the issues list on Tuesday 22 August in preparation for 23 August meeting.


  • Everyone should submit the issues they wish discussed on the Wednesday 23 August call by 23:59 Monday 21 August.

Documents Presented

Chat Transcript

 Brenda Brewer: (8/16/2017 07:31) Good day and welcome to WS2 Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #42 on 16 August 2017 @ 13:00 UTC!

  Brenda Brewer: (07:31) If you are not speaking, please mute your phone by pressing *6 (star 6).  This call is recorded.

  Brenda Brewer: (07:32) Reminder to all, please speak slowly and state your name before speaking for the Captioner.  Thank you!

  kavouss Arasteh: (07:59) Hi TATIANA

  Tatiana Tropina: (07:59) Hi Kavouss, hi all

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (08:00) hi all

  Tatiana Tropina: (08:01) Am I the only one who has problems with the dial out from Adobe connect room? Rebooting my phone now as the dial out drops after saying "hello and welcome to the meeting"

  David McAuley: (08:02) sorry to be late, dialing in now

  David McAuley: (08:02) I am 4154

  Nigel Hickson: (08:03) good afternoon

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANNJ: (08:06) AM FIXED WITH AUDIO NOW

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANNJ: (08:09) please mute if not speaking

  Philip Corwin: (08:10) Lots of distracting background noise

  Thiago Jardim: (08:10) Enough of intereference from above I would have thought after ICANN59

  Bartlett Morgan: (08:12) Hello everyone

  David McAuley: (08:13) bad background noise

  David McAuley: (08:13) pls mute if not speaking

  Tijani BEN JEMAA: (08:13) There is a huge noise

  Tatiana Tropina: (08:13) I can see on the list that one of us has mic not muted

  Tijani BEN JEMAA: (08:14) can you plz Brenda make the noisy mic mute?

  Tatiana Tropina: (08:14) may be there is a way to mute forcefully? :) the noise is really bad and very distracting

  Brenda Brewer: (08:14) I believe we have corrected the noisy line.  Apologies!

  Tatiana Tropina: (08:14) the noise disappeared - thanks!

  David McAuley: (08:15) Thanks Brenda

  Bartlett Morgan: (08:15) thanks

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANNJ: (08:16) @Thiago hand

  Thiago Jardim: (08:17) Ask where there is significant opposition to what I said

  Thiago Jardim: (08:17) whether*

  David McAuley: (08:18) I support the path forward idea - eight weeks is not a lot of time

  Herb Waye Ombuds: (08:18) Must leave the call... if anything comes up for me please drop me an email. Regareds all...

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANNJ: (08:19) ok

  kavouss Arasteh: (08:22) Thiago +1

  David McAuley: (08:23) With respect, I don't consider the intervention of the leaders of the CCWG as interference

  Tatiana Tropina: (08:23) +1 David

  Farzaneh Badii (Badiei): (08:25) Dear god... when will we get to talk about issues and solutions. please show me a sign!

  kavouss Arasteh: (08:25) Thiago +1 again

  Tatiana Tropina: (08:26) @Farz. "Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch’entrate"...

  David McAuley: (08:26) LOL @ Tatiana

  Tatiana Tropina: (08:27) David, :)))

  Farzaneh Badii (Badiei): (08:27) :))))

  Farzaneh Badii (Badiei): (08:28) another half an hour of talking about nothing. "Lasciate ogni speranza"

  Farzaneh Badii (Badiei): (08:30) So Kavous you mean your issues are the same as the issues I raised in IGP blog post.

  Thiago Jardim: (08:31) +1 to parminder

  Greg Shatan 2: (08:32) I am now in the Adobe Connect room.

  Farzaneh Badii (Badiei): (08:32) what solutions? we didn't even get to talk about solutions

  Farzaneh Badii (Badiei): (08:32) welcome Greg

  Greg Shatan 2: (08:33) audio

  Greg Shatan 2: (08:33) problem now resolved.

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANNJ: (08:34) @Parminder hand

  Thiago Jardim: (08:36) Please, Greg...

  Thiago Jardim: (08:36) I'm not begging, it's sarcarsm

  Parminder: (08:36) greg, can you explain what is not the mandate, as thiago and i said

  Thiago Jardim: (08:36) + 1 to parminder's question

  Parminder: (08:37) niether it means you are right greg

  Parminder: (08:37) just bec you ae the chair

  Thiago Jardim: (08:37) and you should focus on your role as rapporteur

  Farzaneh Badii (Badiei): (08:37) I have more than one issue to report. but what if people report on one issue multiple times?

  Thiago Jardim: (08:37) my opinion, might not be right

  Thomas Rickert: (08:38) Farzi is right, why not collect, remove the duplicates and then reduce / prioritize as needed

  David McAuley: (08:39) Good points @Farzi and Thomas

  Greg Shatan 2: (08:40) Thiago, you may note that I did not say what other views of the mandate might be.  In particular I did not say what my view might be.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (08:42) I actually read the proposal as a way of collating and finding out where topics could be sorted both in identifying and  prioritising

  David McAuley: (08:42) I support path forward with understanding of reasonable leeway on number of issues cited

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANNJ: (08:42) Time check - 18 minutes left in call

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (08:43) no need for 1:1

  Farzaneh Badii (Badiei): (08:44) but we have a compiled list of issues

  David McAuley: (08:44) Greg put it well, two may be fine, 30 may be far too many

  Farzaneh Badii (Badiei): (08:44) in the excel sheet. which people reported the issues. why not just use that

  David McAuley: (08:47) I agree as well, stating an issue without a proposed solution would be unhelpful now

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (08:48) agreed 👍 David

  Farzaneh Badii (Badiei): (08:48) I think those that reported the issues in the excel sheet should bring those issues to the mailing list with possible solutions

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (08:52) I support a repository

  Farzaneh Badii (Badiei): (08:52) I am just going to report the issues I raised in  January and in this group excel sheet  to the mailing list.

  David McAuley: (08:55) Good point Bernie

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANNJ: (08:59) @thiago hand?

  Thiago Jardim: (08:59) no, thanks, bernie.

  Thiago Jardim: (09:00) Could you please call upon participants who only follow the work of the subgroup in the mailing list know about what they're supposed to do

  Thiago Jardim: (09:00) ?

  Thiago Jardim: (09:01) Given the relatively short deadline I suppose it is necessary

  David McAuley: (09:01) Thanks all, good bye

  Bernard Turcotte - ICANNJ: (09:01) bye all

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (09:01) bye 👋 for now

  Farzaneh Badii (Badiei): (09:01) bye all

  Nigel Hickson: (09:01) Yes thanks.  

  Tatiana Tropina: (09:01) bye all

  Bartlett Morgan: (09:02) bye all

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