Sub-group Members: David McAuley, Erich Schweighofer, Farzaneh Badii, Finn Petersen, Freg Shatan, Griffin Barnett, Herb Waye, Jeff Neuman, Philip Corwin, Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix, Seun Ojedeji, Steve DelBianco, Thiago Jardim, Wale Bakare (14)
Observers/Guests: Mark Carvell
Staff: Bernard Turcotte, Brenda Brewer, Meghan Healy, Nigel Hickson (4)
Apologies: Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Avri Doria, Bartlett Morgan
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2. Review of Agenda (2 minutes)
3. Administration (1 minute)
3.1. Changes to SOIs
3.2. Identify Audio Only and Phone Number Participants
4. Review of decisions and action items from last call (2 minutes)
4.1.1. Email to questionnaire respondents regarding additional statements or participation is approved.
4.2. Action Items:
4.2.1. GS – to send email to questionnaire respondent as decided above.
4.3.1. Participants asked to include any issues they have on the issues list within the next two weeks. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zAMj3Oz8TEqbjauOyqt09Ef-1ada9TrC7i60Mk-7al4/edit#gid=0
5. Review and discussion of the List of Proposed Issues for Jurisdiction Subgroup Consideration (15 minutes)
6. Questionnaire (20 minutes)
6.1. Review of Status and Progress
6.2. Review one or more outstanding questionnaire responses
7. Review of ICANN Litigation (10 Minutes)
7.1. Review of Status and Progress: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oo9oDJuuxFz1UUNaBfHeor7HPhJ5XcRHFTq3hjRltOM/edit?usp=sharing
7.2. Review one or more outstanding litigation summaries
Raw Captioning Notes
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- Will begin formal discussion of the issues list on the next call.
- Request ICANN Legal to present on OFAC and the fact that there is no jurisdiction in the Registry or Registrar contracts.
- GS – to send email to questionnaire respondent as decide above.
- GS – To request ICANN Legal to present on OFAC and the fact that there is no jurisdiction in the Registry or Registrar contracts.
- (renewed) Participants asked to include any issues they have on the issues list within the next two weeks. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zAMj3Oz8TEqbjauOyqt09Ef-1ada9TrC7i60Mk-7al4/edit#gid=0
Brenda Brewer: (7/18/2017 07:43) Good day and welcome to Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #38 on 18 July 2017 at 13:00 UTC!
Brenda Brewer: (07:43) If you are not speaking, please mute your phone by pressing *6 (star 6). This call is recorded.
Brenda Brewer: (07:43) Reminder to all, please speak slowly and state your name before speaking for the Captioner. Thank you!
Bonnie-CART: (07:47) Good Morning! Can you please tell me who will be leading this meeting?
Brenda Brewer: (07:48) Greg Shatan is the Rapporteur.
Bonnie-CART: (07:48) Thank you very much!
Brenda Brewer: (07:48) You're welcome!
Bonnie-CART: (07:52) Yes, I can
Brenda Brewer: (07:52) Great!
David McAuley: (08:00) I am #3200
Brenda Brewer: (08:00) Thank you , David
David McAuley: (08:01) I have an intern with me, Jonatahn Peyster
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (08:01) hello all
Brenda Brewer: (08:02) For the record, no answer from Kavouss' dial out
Farzaneh Badii: (08:03) Hi, is the meeting in process? I can't hear anything
Brenda Brewer: (08:03) Meeting has not started yet
Farzaneh Badii: (08:03) really? am I early?
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (08:03) no
Brenda Brewer: (08:04) Will start momentarily
Farzaneh Badii: (08:04) I thought so. I am never early!
Nigel Hickson: (08:04) good afternoon
Wale Bakare: (08:07) Good afternoon all
Philip Corwin: (08:07) Good day all
Thiago: (08:10) next two weeks?
Herb Waye Ombuds: (08:14) sorry I'm late... :-) Hello everyone
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (08:15) I did flesh it out (the first one) since I was the one to present the case that introduced that issue
David McAuley: (08:18) good point Greg, some on list may turn out not to be issues
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (08:29) Time Check - 30 minutes left in the call
Brenda Brewer: (08:30) Anonymous has dialed in, if connected to Adobe, please identify name for attendance.
Philip Corwin: (08:31) If Anonymous provides his/her identity he/she will no longer be anonymous ;-)
Thiago: (08:31) Let him be there :)
Thiago: (08:31) the transcripts are going to be publicly available in any case, arent they?
Farzaneh Badii: (08:32) how do you know it's a "he" Thiago ...:)
Thiago: (08:32) Farzaneh. Sorry :)
Thiago: (08:32) I presumed that if "he" was a "she", she would have introduced herself
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (08:33) ICANN legal already commented on that particular issue actually :)
Thiago: (08:33) but nothing justifies my lapsus
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (08:33) however getting them to talk to us I guess it can be interesting!
Farzaneh Badii: (08:34) I agree with Thiago. we also need an independent expert
Steve DelBianco: (08:34) Greg -- please request ICANN to dicument its previous experience obtaining waivers for OFAC and other national sanctions
Farzaneh Badii: (08:35) I agree with Steve as well.
Philip Corwin: (08:36) For the record, I do not regard OFAC as a "problem", just as a fact. And my point was that many nations have sanctions regimes they impose on designated organizations and nations, so this issue would exist if ICANN was incorporated in a large number of nations.
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (08:36) @Steve I beleive this will be part of the request
Farzaneh Badii: (08:37) I think we have established quite well that other countries have sanctions in place. But ICANN is located in the US and its sanctions can affect people in non-SDN list. so we need to address the issues
Thiago: (08:39) Sure, thank you.
Farzaneh Badii: (08:40) registered offices in other locations I believe
Philip Corwin: (08:41) I look forward to a full and informed discussions of how, if at all, OFAC prevents certain individuals, companies, and nations from participation in core ICANN activities. I believe that is the relevant issue for this group, and not whether any nation's sanctions regime is sound policy.
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (08:41) Thiago is that a new hand?
Thiago: (08:41) Old and gone
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (08:41) thanks
Thiago: (08:41) thank you
Farzaneh Badii: (08:42) yes phil we are not talking about whether OFAC is good or bad.
Farzaneh Badii: (08:42) also it's not only about participation in ICANN policy it's about transactions with ICANN and contractual relations with ICANN
Thiago: (08:42) A question related to OFAC is how this fact affects ICANN activities
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (08:47) Time Check - 13 minutes left in call
Jeff Neuman: (08:49) I certainly know about that case :)
Farzaneh Badii: (08:49) smiley vs ICANN?
Jeff Neuman: (08:50) Yes
Farzaneh Badii: (08:50) Jeff you got yourself into this
Jeff Neuman: (08:50) I got myself into that case as well
Philip Corwin: (08:51) @Thiago--agreed on the central OFAC question
Seun: (08:51) Yeah thanks for calling for issues
David McAuley: (08:52) Hopefully the Smiley case has something to do with emoji
Jeff Neuman: (08:52) UNfortunately not....it deals with lotteries
Farzaneh Badii: (08:52) we have been listing those OFAC issues for the past 10 days, would be nice if others could also add to the list if they know of issues
Farzaneh Badii: (08:53) thanks all
Herb Waye Ombuds: (08:53) bye everyone
Farzaneh Badii: (08:53) good bye
Seun: (08:53) Thanks and bye
Bernard Turcotte - ICANN: (08:53) thanks all - goodbye
David McAuley: (08:53) Thanks all, bye
Philip Corwin: (08:53) Bye all
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix: (08:53) bye
Thiago: (08:53) bye