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Sub-group Members:   Andreea Brambilla, Avri Doria, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, David McAuley, Erich Schweighofer, Farzaneh Badii, Finn Petersen, Greg Shatan, Griffin Barnett, Herb Waye, Jorge Cancio, Kavouss Arasteh, Milton Mueller, Philip Corwin, Raphael Beauregard, Tatiana Tropina   (16)

Observers/Guests:  Irene Borissova, Taylor Bentley

Staff:  Bernard Turcotte, Brenda Brewer, Nigel Hickson   (3)

Apologies:  Wale Bakare


 ** If your name is missing from attendance or apology, please send note to **


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1.    Welcome

2.    Review of Agenda (2 minutes)

3.    Administration (1 minute)

3.1. Changes to SOIs

3.2. Identify Audio Only and Phone Number Participants

4.    Review of decisions and action items from last call (2 minutes)

4.1. Decisions – none

4.2. Action Items:

4.2.1.   To review work plan presentation for plenary per comments (Greg)

4.2.2.   Questionnaire Review Team – Review latest submissions

4.2.3.   Will post to list to encourage discussion of the latest case analysis (Greg)

5.    Update on Questionnaire (10 minutes)

5.1. Questionnaire closed April 17, 2017

5.2. Further responses received:

5.2.1.   Michael Graham

5.2.2.   European Commission (Cristina Monti, Head of Sector, Internet governance and Stakeholders' Relations)

5.2.3.   Iran (Mohammad Reza Mousavi, Information Technology Organization of Iran, International department)

5.2.4.   .swiss Registry (Jorge Cancio, on behalf of the .swiss registry) (in French)

5.2.5.   Russia (Yulia Elanskaya, Deputy Director of International Cooperation Department, Ministry of Telecom and Mass Communications of the Russian Federation) (in Russian)

5.2.6.   Singapore (QUEH Ser Pheng, Singapore GAC Representative, Deputy Director, Internet Resource Management, Connectivity and Competition Development Group)

5.2.7.   Internet Governance Project, Georgia Tech (Farzaneh Badii)

5.2.8.   Venezuela (Eng. Jesús Rivera, Venezuela GAC Representative, IANA Administrative Contact for .VE)

5.2.9.   Italy (Rita Forsi, Italian GAC Representative, Director General, Ministry of Economic Development)

6.    Review of ICANN Litigations (15 minutes)

6.1. Name.Space, Inc. v. ICANN. – DM

6.2. Employ Media LLC v ICANN - RBL

7.    Questions to ICANN Legal: Follow-Up (10 minutes)

7.1. Further questions and next steps

8.    Draft Work Plan and Schedule: Follow-Up (10 minutes)

8.1. Comments or Questions on Current Draft (revised after Subgroup meeting and circulated to Plenary)

9.    AOB

10. Next meeting 25 April 05:00 UTC

11. Adjourned


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Chat Transcript

  Brenda Brewer:Good day all and welcome to Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #27 on 18 April 2017 @ 19:00 UTC!  Please mute your phone when not speaking by pressing *6 (star 6).  *6 will also unmute.  Thank you!

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:hello all

  Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix:hello!

  David McAuley (RySG):I am in adobe but can't connect by phone until it charges a bit

  Tatiana Tropina:hi all!

  avri doria:are we talking yet?

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):nope

  Nigel Hickson:good evening

  Brenda Brewer:Talking now.

  avri doria:on quick read - interesting collection fo repsonses.

  avri doria:will reponse in russian be translated or should use google.

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:uncommon to accept after this week

  avri doria:love fuzzy deadlines

  Milton Mueller:like fuzzy teddy bears

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):end of week is fine by me

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:@Avri - looking at translations

  avri doria:end of week is fine for the extent of fuzziness

  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):would consider also the need for translating in some cases, right?

  Erich Schweighofer:Friday is fine.

  David McAuley (RySG):now on phone, 4154

  Herb Waye Ombuds:sorry I'm late... greetings all

  Milton Mueller:Friday is good

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:Friday 23:59 UTC

  Tatiana Tropina:Russian! :-)

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:Working on Translations

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:also a few Spanish

  avri doria:though the speakers can quickly tell us if the google translations are any good.

  Tatiana Tropina:Avri - that's what I am going to do.

  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):"no" usually means also "no" in English :-)

  avri doria:funny Jorge


  Kavouss Arasteh:Sorry for Cap

  avri doria:but ICANN almost alwasy needs fuzzy deadlines.

  avri doria:it isn't just holidays, it is the massive numer for open comments.

  avri doria:same thing happened at NCSG call this morning

  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):I just note that apparently we have little feedback from registries and registrars (or their constituencies)...

  Kavouss Arasteh:Jorge, It is obvious as they were against questions

  Milton Mueller:Some non-American registrars may be afraid to response

  Milton Mueller:respond

  David McAuley (RySG):05:00 UTC

  Brenda Brewer:Responses to Questionnaire are posted here:

  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):@Kavouss: there are +1000 registries... and many registrars... many might have issues, but apparently this exercise was not interesting enough to them

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:1 AM for Washington David

  David McAuley (RySG): oh joy

  David McAuley (RySG):plenary next day at same time

  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):@Milton: why would they be afraid to respond?

  Kavouss Arasteh:I am happy that I was not involved in this initiative, read transcrip .But once other decided for 3 Qs ,few people including me asked for additional questions

  avri doria:No longer invovlved, but still may be deemed as having granted the monopoly power.

  David McAuley (RySG):Interesting background, Milton, thank you

  Milton Mueller:I am hearing you

  David McAuley (RySG):i could hear Greg

  David McAuley (RySG):yes

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:Time Check - 30 minutes left in call

  Kavouss Arasteh:Milton, Is  really ICANN able to do this type of monopolization after treansition

  avri doria:i thik until it is challenged, it is diffcult to call it definitiely. Depends on how they interpret the NTIA grant to ICANN when it turned everything over.

  Milton Mueller:there is no NTIA grant to ICANN

  Milton Mueller:there was an end to its contract

  David McAuley (RySG):I think that is a fair statement Greg

  avri doria:Milton, i will be interested to see how future cases argue it and how it is treated.

  Milton Mueller:Kavouss: if ICANN passed a policy that was proposed by registrars and registries that substantially restricted competition in the domain name market it could be sued on antitrust grounds

  David McAuley (RySG):The "no amendment would cure language by the court is also interssting

  Kavouss Arasteh:somebody is typing

  David McAuley (RySG):that was me sorry

  Erich Schweighofer:Does that mean that ICANN is subject  to control of monopolisation, e.g. abuse of a dominant market position.

  David McAuley (RySG):I cannot answer that one Erich

  Milton Mueller:What was the settlement, Raphael?

  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):what could be the reasons for not specifying the applicable law?

  Milton Mueller:Who caved ? ICANN or .JOBs?

  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):nobody does such a thing without a reason...

  Milton Mueller:right

  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):(being a well-advised corporation)

  Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix:alright

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:who wil ask?

  Milton Mueller:I think Jorge has volunrteered

  Milton Mueller::-)

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:14 minutes left in call

  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):I trust Greg will formulate much more precisely than I could... but thanks for the heterovolunteering :-)

  David McAuley (RySG):I like Becky's term: voluntold

  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland)::P

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:yes it was Sam Eisner

  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):we just had a follow-up question before...

  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):and I guess others may pop-up as we discuss

  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):ok with the no-self-medication-approach :-)

  David McAuley (RySG):That would be welcome Greg

  David McAuley (RySG):phone battery just died

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):aim for that...yes

  David McAuley (RySG):our return to scope discussion will be important in this respect

  Tatiana Tropina:it's ungodly early

  David McAuley (RySG): the plenary is next day at same time i think

  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):+ Tanya

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:Correct

  Farzaneh Badii:ungodly for the europeans at last!

  Milton Mueller:yeah

  Milton Mueller:fine for American night owls

  avri doria:meetings rond the clock keep us young and flexible.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):thanks everyone,  bye for now then...

  David McAuley (RySG):thanks Greg, staff and all, good bye

  Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix:thanks all, goodbye

  avri doria:bye

  Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:bye all

  Nigel Hickson:goodbye

  Farzaneh Badii:good bye

  Tatiana Tropina:bye

  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):thanks Greg, and all!

  Andreea Brambilla:Thank you!

  Greg Shatan:Bye all!

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