Sub-group Members: Andreea Brambilla, Avri Doria, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, David McAuley, Erich Schweighofer, Farzaneh Badii, Finn Petersen, Greg Shatan, Griffin Barnett, Herb Waye, Jorge Cancio, Kavouss Arasteh, Milton Mueller, Philip Corwin, Raphael Beauregard, Tatiana Tropina (16)
Observers/Guests: Irene Borissova, Taylor Bentley
Staff: Bernard Turcotte, Brenda Brewer, Nigel Hickson (3)
Apologies: Wale Bakare
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- Word Doc
Adobe Connect Replay
2. Review of Agenda (2 minutes)
3. Administration (1 minute)
3.1. Changes to SOIs
3.2. Identify Audio Only and Phone Number Participants
4. Review of decisions and action items from last call (2 minutes)
4.1. Decisions – none
4.2. Action Items:
4.2.1. To review work plan presentation for plenary per comments (Greg)
4.2.2. Questionnaire Review Team – Review latest submissions
4.2.3. Will post to list to encourage discussion of the latest case analysis (Greg)
5. Update on Questionnaire (10 minutes)
5.1. Questionnaire closed April 17, 2017
5.2. Further responses received:
5.2.1. Michael Graham
5.2.2. European Commission (Cristina Monti, Head of Sector, Internet governance and Stakeholders' Relations)
5.2.3. Iran (Mohammad Reza Mousavi, Information Technology Organization of Iran, International department)
5.2.4. .swiss Registry (Jorge Cancio, on behalf of the .swiss registry) (in French)
5.2.5. Russia (Yulia Elanskaya, Deputy Director of International Cooperation Department, Ministry of Telecom and Mass Communications of the Russian Federation) (in Russian)
5.2.6. Singapore (QUEH Ser Pheng, Singapore GAC Representative, Deputy Director, Internet Resource Management, Connectivity and Competition Development Group)
5.2.7. Internet Governance Project, Georgia Tech (Farzaneh Badii)
5.2.8. Venezuela (Eng. Jesús Rivera, Venezuela GAC Representative, IANA Administrative Contact for .VE)
5.2.9. Italy (Rita Forsi, Italian GAC Representative, Director General, Ministry of Economic Development)
6. Review of ICANN Litigations (15 minutes)
6.1. Name.Space, Inc. v. ICANN. – DM
6.2. Employ Media LLC v ICANN - RBL
7. Questions to ICANN Legal: Follow-Up (10 minutes)
7.1. Further questions and next steps
8. Draft Work Plan and Schedule: Follow-Up (10 minutes)
8.1. Comments or Questions on Current Draft (revised after Subgroup meeting and circulated to Plenary)
10. Next meeting 25 April 05:00 UTC
- Name.Space, Inc. v. ICANN
- Employ Media LLC v ICANN
- Jurisdiction Revised Work Plan and Schedule 11April2017-v1
Brenda Brewer:Good day all and welcome to Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #27 on 18 April 2017 @ 19:00 UTC! Please mute your phone when not speaking by pressing *6 (star 6). *6 will also unmute. Thank you!
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:hello all
David McAuley (RySG):I am in adobe but can't connect by phone until it charges a bit
Tatiana Tropina:hi all!
avri doria:are we talking yet?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):nope
Nigel Hickson:good evening
Brenda Brewer:Talking now.
avri doria:on quick read - interesting collection fo repsonses.
avri doria:will reponse in russian be translated or should use google.
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:uncommon to accept after this week
avri doria:love fuzzy deadlines
Milton Mueller:like fuzzy teddy bears
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):end of week is fine by me
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:@Avri - looking at translations
avri doria:end of week is fine for the extent of fuzziness
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):would consider also the need for translating in some cases, right?
Erich Schweighofer:Friday is fine.
David McAuley (RySG):now on phone, 4154
Herb Waye Ombuds:sorry I'm late... greetings all
Milton Mueller:Friday is good
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:Friday 23:59 UTC
Tatiana Tropina:Russian! :-)
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:Working on Translations
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:also a few Spanish
avri doria:though the speakers can quickly tell us if the google translations are any good.
Tatiana Tropina:Avri - that's what I am going to do.
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):"no" usually means also "no" in English :-)
avri doria:funny Jorge
Kavouss Arasteh:The reason that O PRPOSED EXTENSION WAS DUE TO 4 DAYS OF BRIDGE HOLIDAYS( eASTER)
Kavouss Arasteh:Sorry for Cap
avri doria:but ICANN almost alwasy needs fuzzy deadlines.
avri doria:it isn't just holidays, it is the massive numer for open comments.
avri doria:same thing happened at NCSG call this morning
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):I just note that apparently we have little feedback from registries and registrars (or their constituencies)...
Kavouss Arasteh:Jorge, It is obvious as they were against questions
Milton Mueller:Some non-American registrars may be afraid to response
David McAuley (RySG):05:00 UTC
Brenda Brewer:Responses to Questionnaire are posted here: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_UpXRAw&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=kbiQDH54980u4nTPfwdloDLY6-6F24x0ArAvhdeDvvc&m=Xrn_rFsZtvXyPKxTJ9kDsvn4wNTu124xW1G3luat0mA&s=1aofN0sCu5TQ9FZ4ihQo7_h6yDR7Uo15r3WWdeEHhy8&e=
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):@Kavouss: there are +1000 registries... and many registrars... many might have issues, but apparently this exercise was not interesting enough to them
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:1 AM for Washington David
David McAuley (RySG): oh joy
David McAuley (RySG):plenary next day at same time
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):@Milton: why would they be afraid to respond?
Kavouss Arasteh:I am happy that I was not involved in this initiative, read transcrip .But once other decided for 3 Qs ,few people including me asked for additional questions
avri doria:No longer invovlved, but still may be deemed as having granted the monopoly power.
David McAuley (RySG):Interesting background, Milton, thank you
Milton Mueller:I am hearing you
David McAuley (RySG):i could hear Greg
David McAuley (RySG):yes
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:Time Check - 30 minutes left in call
Kavouss Arasteh:Milton, Is really ICANN able to do this type of monopolization after treansition
avri doria:i thik until it is challenged, it is diffcult to call it definitiely. Depends on how they interpret the NTIA grant to ICANN when it turned everything over.
Milton Mueller:there is no NTIA grant to ICANN
Milton Mueller:there was an end to its contract
David McAuley (RySG):I think that is a fair statement Greg
avri doria:Milton, i will be interested to see how future cases argue it and how it is treated.
Milton Mueller:Kavouss: if ICANN passed a policy that was proposed by registrars and registries that substantially restricted competition in the domain name market it could be sued on antitrust grounds
David McAuley (RySG):The "no amendment would cure language by the court is also interssting
Kavouss Arasteh:somebody is typing
David McAuley (RySG):that was me sorry
Erich Schweighofer:Does that mean that ICANN is subject to control of monopolisation, e.g. abuse of a dominant market position.
David McAuley (RySG):I cannot answer that one Erich
Milton Mueller:What was the settlement, Raphael?
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):what could be the reasons for not specifying the applicable law?
Milton Mueller:Who caved ? ICANN or .JOBs?
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):nobody does such a thing without a reason...
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):(being a well-advised corporation)
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:who wil ask?
Milton Mueller:I think Jorge has volunrteered
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:14 minutes left in call
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):I trust Greg will formulate much more precisely than I could... but thanks for the heterovolunteering :-)
David McAuley (RySG):I like Becky's term: voluntold
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland)::P
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:yes it was Sam Eisner
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):we just had a follow-up question before...
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):and I guess others may pop-up as we discuss
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):ok with the no-self-medication-approach :-)
David McAuley (RySG):That would be welcome Greg
David McAuley (RySG):phone battery just died
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):aim for that...yes
David McAuley (RySG):our return to scope discussion will be important in this respect
Tatiana Tropina:it's ungodly early
David McAuley (RySG): the plenary is next day at same time i think
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):+ Tanya
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:Correct
Farzaneh Badii:ungodly for the europeans at last!
Milton Mueller:fine for American night owls
avri doria:meetings rond the clock keep us young and flexible.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):thanks everyone, bye for now then...
David McAuley (RySG):thanks Greg, staff and all, good bye
Raphael Beauregard-Lacroix:thanks all, goodbye
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support:bye all
Farzaneh Badii:good bye
Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):thanks Greg, and all!
Andreea Brambilla:Thank you!
Greg Shatan:Bye all!