Sub-group Members: Andreea Brambilla, Andrew Harris, Avri Doria, Becky Burr, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, David McAuley, Erich Schweighofer, Finn Petersen, Greg Shatan, Herb Waye, Kavouss Arasteh, Mathieu Weill, Par Brumark, Parminder Singh, Paul McGrady, Philip Corwin, Seun Ojedeji, Vidushi Marda (18)
Observers/Guests:
Staff: Bernard Turcotte, Berry Cobb, Brenda Brewer, Karen Mulberry, Meghan Healy, Nigel Hickson, (Richard-PGI Tech Support) (6)
Apologies: Jorge Cancio
** If your name is missing from attendance or apology, please send note to acct-staff@icann.org **
Transcript
- Word Doc
Recording
mp3 Replay
Agenda
1. Welcome
2. Review of Agenda
3. Administration (5 minutes)
3.1. Questions to ICANN Legal – Status of Legal Committee
3.2. Hypotheticals document – Propose suspending the work until ICANN Legal responds to the questions.
3.3. “Influence of ICANN’s Existing Jurisdiction” document – Propose suspending the work until this group completes the review of ICANN’s past and current litigation which will inform the development of that document.
4. Questionnaire Update (20 minutes)
4.1. Method for processing responses
4.1.1. Rolling review of responses – Propose new responses to the questionnaire to be reviewed by the Jurisdiction sub-group at each meeting.
4.1.2. Proposal for a review team – Propose review team will be responsible for updating the sub-group on new responses and their status at each meeting as well as elaborating an evaluation framework for responses, for approval by the sub-group, based on the responses received.
4.1.3. Selection of the review team
4.2. Review of current responses in tool (document)
5. Review of ICANN’s Past and Current Litigation (30 minutes)
5.1. Review of Sign-up sheet (document)
5.2. Verisign, Inc. v. ICANN V2 – MW (document)
5.3. State of Arizona vs NTIA V2 - MW (document)
5.4. Ben Haim v. Iran…. – MW (document)
5.5. DCA v. ICANN - DM (document)
5.6. DCA V. ICANN – Appellate Court - DM (document)
5.7. Review of summary sheet template (document)
6. AOB
Notes
Documents Presented
- ICANNLitigationsSign-UpSheet-20170228.pdf
- Form Jurisdiction case Verisign vs ICANN v2.pdf
- Form Jurisdiction case Arizona State vs NTIA v2 .pdf
- Form Jurisdiction case Ben Haim - Iran.pdf
- Form JX case - DCA v. ICANN - Appellate Court - DM.pdf
- Form Jurisdiction case - DCA v. ICANN - DM.pdf
- Jurisdiction-Questionnaire-Responses-Summary-20170228.pdf
- Jurisdiction-SummaryofLitigationFormV2.pdf
Chat Transcript
Brenda Brewer: (3/1/2017 06:39) Good day all and welcome to Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #22 on 1 March 2017 @ 13:00 UTC!
Herb Waye Ombuds: (06:56) Hello everyone
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (06:59) good day all
Mathieu Weill: (07:00) Hello
Pär Brumark (GAC Niue): (07:00) Hello everyone!
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (07:00) Please mute if not speaking
Kavouss Arasteh: (07:01) Brendda
Brenda Brewer: (07:01) Calling you Kavouss
Kavouss Arasteh: (07:01) Hi.Pls advise to call me
Kavouss Arasteh: (07:01) Tks
David McAuley (RySG): (07:01) I was ill yesterday and lost a lot of time to prepare – happy to be here but need to make up reading list and can weigh in later
Becky Burr: (07:01) good morning from DC
Kavouss Arasteh: (07:02) David
Kavouss Arasteh: (07:02) Happy to feel better
David McAuley (RySG): (07:02) yes, many thanks Kavouss
Kavouss Arasteh: (07:03) Dear Brenda, May you advise to call me
Kavouss Arasteh: (07:03) Tks
Kavouss Arasteh: (07:03) Bernie
Kavouss Arasteh: (07:03) Good early morning .
Kavouss Arasteh: (07:03) Pls advise the operator to dial me up .tks
Brenda Brewer: (07:04) Experiencing dial out difficulties. Continuing to try your dial out Kavouss.
Kavouss Arasteh: (07:04) tks
Kavouss Arasteh: (07:05) Grec, I am waiting to be dialed up as there might be some difficulties to do so
Philip Corwin: (07:05) Good day all
Mathieu Weill: (07:06) A comment : it's great to have such a detailed agenda, great job !
David McAuley (RySG): (07:06) +1 AMathieu
David McAuley (RySG): (07:06) that is @ M...
Kavouss Arasteh: (07:07) Mathieu, it is also ambitious to have such long agenda
Kavouss Arasteh: (07:08) Could the secretariat advise what is the problem that they can not dial me up
Brenda Brewer: (07:09) Kavouss, the Adobe system will not allow the dial out at this time. I am contacting operator for help. Please stand by.
Kavouss Arasteh: (07:09) Grec, I am not connected yet
Kavouss Arasteh: (07:10) Greg sorry
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (07:10) Parminder your hand is still up
Parminder: (07:10) sorry thanks
David McAuley (RySG): (07:10) Good point Greg, docs remain open
David McAuley (RySG): (07:10) support that Greg
Kavouss Arasteh: (07:11) Greg pls slow down when talkingi
Kavouss Arasteh: (07:11) No connection . pls read chat
Parminder: (07:12) new hand
Kavouss Arasteh: (07:12) Dear Greg. I am still waiting to be connected
Brenda Brewer: (07:13) An operator will be calling you soon Kavouss.
Kavouss Arasteh: (07:13) now connected
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (07:14) Kavouss hand
Mathieu Weill: (07:15) Very faint
Mathieu Weill: (07:15) Kavouss was faint
David McAuley (RySG): (07:15) i could hear Kavouss faintly as well
Brenda Brewer: (07:15) Getting help regarding Kavouss's line. stand by please.
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (07:17) hand Parminger
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (07:18) Parminder
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (07:19) they are on the Jurisdiction wiki
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (07:19) as they come in
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (07:21) I was only just connected to audio/phone as well Kavous there were obviously complications
David McAuley (RySG): (07:23) well heard now
Mathieu Weill: (07:26) Happy to help
Mathieu Weill: (07:26) Also, please all consider doing outreach about the questionnaire in your resxpective groups
Mathieu Weill: (07:26) Did so at CENTR today
David McAuley (RySG): (07:26) Trying new mic – sorry, will put in chat
David McAuley (RySG): (07:27) sorry, let's label the RT as a pilot = the job might eat up the team's time so let's make it easy for them to seek relief
Kavouss Arasteh: (07:27) Blanced team
David McAuley (RySG): (07:29) I will volunteer
Kavouss Arasteh: (07:29) kavouss
Vidushi Marda: (07:29) I volunteer
David McAuley (RySG): (07:30) If these volunteers plan to be in Copenhagen maybe we can meet briefly
Mathieu Weill: (07:30) +1 david. Good idea
Kavouss Arasteh: (07:30) May I propose that Mathieu coordinating the wroks of the team
Mathieu Weill: (07:31) Kavouss : thanks but that might be beyond my abilities
Mathieu Weill: (07:31) And not very good to have too many hats
Kavouss Arasteh: (07:32) I do not thing any one oppose to my suggestion provided that mMathieu kindly agrees to that
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (07:33) will bring up the document momentarily
Paul McGrady: (07:37) Apologies, but I need to leave the call early. Have a great day all.
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (07:40) time check - 20 minutes left in call
Vidushi Marda: (07:41) Is it just me or did the audio drop?
David McAuley (RySG): (07:41) I can still hear after a pause
Mathieu Weill: (07:41) yes Greg
Brenda Brewer: (07:41) Audio is good
Parminder: (07:41) the audio is fine - did not drop at all for me
Vidushi Marda: (07:42) Hi - could I please have a dial out? I've lost all audio!
David McAuley (RySG): (07:42) now silent
Brenda Brewer: (07:42) Vidushi, private chat me your phone number, please
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (07:43) hands
David McAuley (RySG): (07:43) two hands Greg
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (07:43) lots of audio issues today... I can however now still hear Greg
David McAuley (RySG): (07:44) we should put source if responder did, no? maybe they are replying personally
Parminder: (07:45) i am ok, dont ned the mic now
David McAuley (RySG): (07:46) good point, @Kavouss -
Seun Ojedeji: (07:46) I agree with Kavouss
Herb Waye Ombuds: (07:47) Must check out now... have a great day all...
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (07:47) bye Herb
David McAuley (RySG): (07:48) Agree to let RT grapple with this first
Erich Schweighofer: (07:49) Another meting - sevus.
David McAuley (RySG): (07:50) I will take two more
avri doria: (07:50) i apologize as well for having volunteered for this task yet have done nothing.
Mathieu Weill: (07:50) I'll look at Pool.com (the only one in front of a non US court)
David McAuley (RySG): (07:51) into the pool Mathieu
Vidushi Marda: (07:51) i can look at ruby glen
Mathieu Weill: (07:51) @David : feels like swimming in legalese sometimes
David McAuley (RySG): (07:51) LOL
avri doria: (07:51) i'll volunteer for Auerbach vs ICANN
Mathieu Weill: (07:52) @Avri : nice one !
David McAuley (RySG): (07:52) those picking cases here please be sure to put name in tool - so others don't duplicate work
avri doria: (07:52) what is the url for this sheet?
avri doria: (07:53) or i guess it is on the community page.
avri doria: (07:53) thanks
David McAuley (RySG): (07:55) Mathieu did this
Mathieu Weill: (07:55) Was not really sure of choice of law / governing law so might need to add
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (07:55) hand
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (07:56) time check: 5 minutes left
David McAuley (RySG): (07:57) if we add to the form lets please write down what we are adding so reviewers are not guessing
David McAuley (RySG): (07:58) courts always "discuss" JX just to say they have it
David McAuley (RySG): (07:59) on mute
Parminder: (07:59) it is significant that court asserts jurisdiction, and ful jurisdiction on different icann policy isuses
Philip Corwin: (07:59) This is the litigation that ended with what was then the very controversial .com settlement
David McAuley (RySG): (08:01) when is next meeting?
David McAuley (RySG): (08:02) thanks Greg
Seun Ojedeji: (08:03) Thanks and Bye
David McAuley (RySG): (08:03) Thanks all, good bye
avri doria: (08:03) bye
Philip Corwin: (08:03) The settlement established the principle of presumptive renewal that later made its way into all new gTLD RAs
Mathieu Weill: (08:03) Thanks
Pär Brumark (GAC Niue): (08:03) Thx all! Bye!
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: (08:03) bye all
Nigel Hickson: (08:03) thank you - safe travels
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): (08:03) bye
