Sub-group Members: Alan Greenberg, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Julf Helsingius, Lito Ibarra, Lori Schulman, Thomas Rickert (7)
Staff: Bernard Turcotte, Laena Rahim, Yvette Guigneaux
Apologies:
** If your name is missing from attendance or apology, please send note to acct-staff@icann.org **
Transcript
Word Doc
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Recording
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Agenda
1. Introduction, SOI, roll call
2. Response from Legal Group re: potential conflict of interest
3. Annotated First Draft Guidelines – Google Doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cXLh-YGFQ-XBKG-2b72oSG8rgXgfMsfPBvywK8BSLdM/edit
- One comment posted 10-25-16 on google doc listed below:
“Per Sam LanFranco, Part 1) is a description of a reasonable and adequate evidence based process.
However, sub-items a. and c. in Part 2) are extremely problematic with regard to establishing expectations beyond very general terms of board conduct, especially with regard to specific SO/AC interests.
It is hard to conceive of anything other than either some endless list of specific expectations or a general expectation (similar to that of physicians) of “do no harm”. I suspect that the bulk of the work here should focus proper attention to 2) d. and common procedures. Over time that would result in something akin to “case law” in defining the boundaries of bad conduct on the part of Board members.”
4. Proposed changes to annotated draft based on feedback from Hyderabad?
5. AOB
Notes
Action Items
Documents Presented
WS2GuidelinesforGoodFaithRoughAnnotatedDraft10-18-16.pdf
Chat Transcript
Yvette Guigneaux: Welcome all to the WS2 - Guidelines for Good Faith Subgroup |Meeting #5 Wednesday, 23 November @ 19: 00 UTC!
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: hello all
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: top of the hour
Julf Helsingius: Sounds good!
Julf Helsingius: No issue with it
Yvette Guigneaux: Do you need the response displayed Lori? we do have it uploaded
Lori Schulman: sure
Yvette Guigneaux: Scrolling available for all
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): That could be a nice "informal" approach Lori
Alan Greenberg: Sorry. to be late.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): and Sam is an excellent asset and great resource... good to work with IMO
Yvette Guigneaux: Scrolling available if need be
Julf Helsingius: thanks
Yvette Guigneaux: Here was the comment posted on the google doc:
Yvette Guigneaux: • One comment posted 10-25-16 on google doc listed below: “Per Sam LanFranco, Part 1) is a description of a reasonable and adequate evidence based process. However, sub-items a. and c. in Part 2) are extremely problematic with regard to establishing expectations beyond very general terms of board conduct, especially with regard to specific SO/AC interests. It is hard to conceive of anything other than either some endless list of specific expectations or a general expectation (similar to that of physicians) of “do no harm”. I suspect that the bulk of the work here should focus proper attention to 2) d. and common procedures. Over time that would result in something akin to “case law” in defining the boundaries of bad conduct on the part of Board members.”
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): I see the points raised on that 'cause' issue raised by Sam and see that just a modified 2C.can work becoming an a.
Yvette Guigneaux: Hand up from Alan & Cheryl
Thomas Rickert, CCWG Co-Chair: One test we have to pass is that we do not undo WS1 recommendations. Therefore the question of fairness, if at all, is not relevant as this is a requirement from WS1.
Julf Helsingius: I am confused - I assumed anyone could *suggest* a board member can be removed, but to actually remove a board member you still need a majority of the enpowered community?
Thomas Rickert, CCWG Co-Chair: The Board members know the rules of the game and they know they can be removed at any time for any reason.
Julf Helsingius: And yes, as a board member in a bunch of companies, I can be removed at any point if shareholders don't like me.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): exactly
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): stepping away from AC but have the audio channel open still
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): Where did the concept of 'secret action' come from???
Julf Helsingius: Ok, but that only applies to the director appointed by the AC/SO
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): still no chance of 'secret' though
Yvette Guigneaux: Aye aye aye
Yvette Guigneaux: lol
Alan Greenberg: To use my purple pants rationale, if in fact the person never wore pants that can be considered purple, then I would not be indemified...
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): Just don't call Bernie 'late for dinner or drinks' Lori
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): flash back to CcNSO FOI Bernie nThx *shudder*
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): maybe 1 more before EOY "holiday /silly Season'
Alan Greenberg: 'M AT igf ALSO
Alan Greenberg: To translate that, "I'm at IGF also"
Lito Ibarra: Thank you all. Good discussion.
Julf Helsingius: Thanks, you too!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): good call thanks everyone... Talk more on the 14th.. Bye for now then...
Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: b ye all
Lori Schulman: Thanks everyone.
