Sub-group Members:  Alan Greenberg, Avri Doria, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Julf Helsingius, Karel Douglas, Lito Ibarra, Lori Schulman, Rinalia Abdul Rahim, Robin Gross. (9)

Staff:  Charla Shambley, Brenda Brewer, Karen Mulberry, Laena Rahim, Yvette Guigneaux (4)


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Work Stream 2

Guidelines for Standard of Conduct Presumed to Be Good Faith

with Exercising Removal of ICANN Board Members

September 21, 2016

  1. Introduction of Rapporteur
  2. Introduction of Team
  3. Explaining the Task
  4. Expectations for Deliverables

Executive Summary

Description of Issue         

  • Current State of Play
  • Supplemental Report


  • Requirements for recommendation (no wordsmithing expected)
  • Rationale for recommendation

Assessment of Recommendations

  • How do the recommendations meet the NTIA criteria?
  • Are the recommendations compliant with WS1 recommendations?
  1. Special Concerns of the Group
  2. Establishing a Work Plan
  3. Regular Calls



1. Introduction of Rapporteur

2. Introduction of Team

3. Explaining the Task

4. Expectations for Deliverables

Executive Summary

Description of Issue

• Current State of Play

• Supplemental Report


• Requirements for recommendation (no wordsmithing expected)

• Rationale for recommendation

Assessment of Recommendations

• How do the recommendations meet the NTIA criteria?

• Are the recommendations compliant with WS1 recommendations?

5. Special Concerns of the Group

6. Establishing a Work Plan

7. Regular Calls

Administratve Items - SOI, attendance

Introduction and background of team members present to kick off the sugroup meeting

Discussion of the workplan and scoping of the topic to be discssed in the group.

Task is about standards behaviousr for community.

Deliverables - review of work and preparing the report to be provided to the CCWG Plenary

Special Concerns - is topic to be scheduled as shorter less complex or more complex. Potentially taget to have draft of the work done by Jan 2017. Anticipate having initial draft of the work completed by Hyderabad.

Ask that the group members look at drafting proposals for what should be in guidelines, exchange thoughts on process on the list and then the pints can be pulled together into the rough draft of the report.

Will start with the discription of the Issue, include proposals exchanged on the list. Options for proceeding will be proposed to the list so that those who were not participating in the discussion could weigh in on approach the work will take on conducting its assessment of its recommendations and how these should be considered by the group.


Documents Presented

WS2 Guidelines for Good Faith Agenda 09_21_2017.pdf

Chat Transcript

Yvette Guigneaux: Welcome to the Guidelines for Good Faith Conduct Subgroup Meeting #1     21 September 2016 @ 19:00 UTC

  Julf Helsingius (GNSO NCPH NCA):Pretty quiet here so far...

  Lito Ibarra:Hello

  Lori Schulman:Hello

  Lori Schulman:I am am having audio trouble

  Lori Schulman:Will try to dial in

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):I kept getting 'network connection errors  sorry it took a while to get in here

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):your doing just fine Lori

  Karel Douglas:Hi ALL

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Hey ther Karel  been ages since we served togeter  :-)

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):together

  Karel Douglas:Indeed it has been Cheryl

  Robin Gross:Indeed we explictly said we would not have specific causes required for removal or other such limitations

  Karel Douglas:Its great to "see" you here!

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):exactly Robin  *no cause*

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):That is my understanding as well Lori

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):I thought is was our Standards  of cnduct  not Board onesas our remit  YES

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Correct Alan  that work  for Designator  Good faith conduct  *is* our work

  Robin Gross:As Alan said, we decided in WS 1 not to limit a group's rationale.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):YUP

  Avri Doria:i think thee is only 1 director that might wear purple pants

  Alan Greenberg:Purple shirts may be a different matter.

  Avri Doria:what do we mean by good faith?

  Avri Doria:Board are paid members of the community.  unlike other particpants.

  Avri Doria:that makes the consideration somewhat different

  Avri Doria:Board has authority, no one else does.

  Robin Gross:our remit is limited to directors here

  Avri Doria:i would think so

  Alan Greenberg:Directors are technically not "paid".  

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):I thought the term was stipend

  Rinalia Abdul Rahim 2:"compensation"

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yes offered to all  not all take it up

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Thx Rinalia

  Rinalia Abdul Rahim 2:my pleasure.

  Avri Doria:do the tax people treat it as slary?  if so, a rose by another name.

  Alan Greenberg:To be clear, they are the only "volunteers" that receive such compensation. Others are just reimbursed for specific expenses.

  Rinalia Abdul Rahim 2:it is taxable.

  Alan Greenberg:Taxable, but not salary (ie I beleive that ICANN does not pay benefits or employee taxes on it.

  Rinalia Abdul Rahim 2:correct in that it is not considered as salary.

  Alan Greenberg:How recipient's tax authority treats it is a separate issue of course.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):less complex perhaps  Yes  

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):we could aim for the Jan 17 wrap

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yup we are

  Robin Gross:I agree with Alan about timing

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Let's have a go

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):I'm ambivelent to which methd

  Rinalia Abdul Rahim 2:we will consult the board and get back to you

  Lito Ibarra:Thank you, Lori

  Rinalia Abdul Rahim 2:will do our best

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) 2:fingers crossed on that  Yes Lori

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO) 2:nothing from me Thx

  Rinalia Abdul Rahim 2::)

  Rinalia Abdul Rahim 2:well done, Lori.

  Robin Gross:Thanks, Lori and all.  Bye!

  Julf Helsingius (GNSO NCPH NCA):Thanks!

  Lito Ibarra:Thank you all. Have a nice day.

  Lori Schulman:ciao

  Avri Doria:thanks, bye

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