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  Brenda Brewer:Good day all and welcome to SO/AC Subgroup Meeting #4 on 25 August 2016 @ 13:00 UTC!

  Kavouss. Arasteh:Hi Brenda

  Kavouss. Arasteh:Good day

  Rosalía Morales:hello everyone

  Brenda Brewer:hello all!

  Farzaneh Badii:hi all

  Steve DelBianco:Our current report doc is at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WTRZZJ9B3Q6BHP6AlDHmoiep8NeshNpomBNM4bBXYpA/edit?ts=57ba7a43

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):hi everyone,

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):a

  Alan Greenberg:Howdy

  Tatiana Tropina:hi all

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):thx Farzi  :-)

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):All Good go ahead

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Yes Thanks  for the doc updates  Steve and  Farzi... Deems I am having some audio isses  us well  so will mainly type  

  Farzaneh Badii:yes

  Tatiana Tropina:I hear echo too

  Tatiana Tropina:no more echo

  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:ok now

  Alan Greenberg:Canwe please use the speaker queue and not have a bilateral debate?

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Thx Kavous  here you need to refer to the externa Reviews.  GNSO and ALAC  has done or is foinf its 2nd one  already

  Steve DelBianco:Exactly, Alan

  Kavouss. Arasteh:Alan

  Kavouss. Arasteh:Yes

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Yes Alan  thanks for that clarity of our 'purpose'

  Kavouss. Arasteh: Change the term

  Alan Greenberg:A review is a way of measuring or estimating accountability. And it is only one part of doing that.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Indeed Alan

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Thanks  Greg , your point of view is also noted  and we should note the options  to discuss a 360 degree approach as well in our work... THANKS 

  Tatiana Tropina:I have a bit of deja vu because I think Greg  asked something like this already - and I agreed. Agree again.

  Farzaneh Badii:we had a discussion last week on that. I will update the document on that discussion.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):we will go around things a few times at this stage  I suspect  Yes  Tatiana

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Thx Farzi   T

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Alan  I assume that is a new habd

  Alan Greenberg:Most definitely

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Your next then :-)

  matthw shears:what is missing from the document and would provide a useful starting point would be to capture - similar to the table on page 4 - the language that each SO and AC has in their founding documents as to whom and for what they are accountbale

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):noted  Matthe   Thanks

  Steve DelBianco:Good point, Matthew.    Not easy to find that language for every SOAC and constituenct, though

  matthw shears:I think we need that as a starting point - even there we may find that there are deficieincies

  Steve DelBianco:Same as th eold bylaws in that regard, Alan

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):So lets capture what we csan where the lnguage exists

  Steve DelBianco:No, Alan.  THe langage in the table was in the old bylaws too.

  Steve DelBianco:Section 4. had this  shall be to determine (i) whether that organization has a continuing purpose in the ICANN structure, and (ii) if so, whether any change in structure or operations is desirable to improve its effectiveness.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Well noted Alan

  Steve DelBianco:and you are right that we added the bit about accountable to its constituent members

  matthw shears:perhaps we can look at this more linearly - what do we mean by accountabilty, how do the existing SOs and ACs address accountability, how through the various reviews has this changed over time, etc.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):hoping we will get there Matthew ;-)

  Tatiana Tropina:+1 to Matt

  Steve DelBianco:GNSO's first review resulted in a re-structure of GNSO Council.

  Steve DelBianco:2nd review (just completed) did not recommend structural changes

  Kavouss. Arasteh:Farzaneh

  Kavouss. Arasteh:Effectiveness is entirely different from accoubtablity

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yes Steve indeed,  the ALAC's  2nd  one is focussed  more on the structure and function(s)  of the Regional constructs  RALOs  and the ALSes  in far more detail than  was done in the 1st

  matthw shears:Perhaps if we start with track 2 - the Working Plan first the other pieces can be worked into it - may allow us a way forward

  matthw shears:yes - that should be the way we structure the work

  Alan Greenberg:KAvouss is correct in that At-Large and the ALAC is *NOT* accountable to the 4 billion users. We would not want those users to sue ICANN because we were not doing our job. But we MUST be ensure that we do our best to represent their needs.

  Kavouss. Arasteh:Reviews YES.eFFECTIVENESS  YES

  Kavouss. Arasteh:aCCOUNTABILTY AND MUTUAL ACCOUNTABILITY ARE VERY COMPLEX TO DEFINE, DESCRIBE, GOVERNED AND IMPLEMENTED

  Kavouss. Arasteh:Lan

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):WE ALL (I trust) agree this is complex  Yes,  and Matthew  is proposig a way of looking at  how any reviews  so far have highlighted  matters for our future track work

  Kavouss. Arasteh:Agree with you ,but it would not be accountabilty as there is entity to ck whether ALAC doing its job to fully represent them. I.In fact you never could do that

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):nothing wrong with developng a disclaimer or more Alan  :-)

  matthw shears:Alan makes the point that we need to understand our respective sense of accountability first

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yup

  Steve DelBianco:barriers to participation might include: language, fees, travel costs, etc.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):indeed  it may

  matthw shears:we then need an accepted set of criteria that could be used to measure accountability of the SOs and ACs - approptiately tailored to the ICANN space - we are jumping the gun by having discussions of representation.  such a topic has to be measured against something and the AC/SOs performance  - but we need criteria first

  Steve DelBianco:Criteria are in the bylaws, Matthew:  effectiveness and accountability.  Now we are trying to add specifics to those criteria

  matthw shears:no mic sorry

  Alan Greenberg:Hard stop on the hour. CWG-IANA

  Kavouss. Arasteh:There is no need that I  prepare  ANY DOC.

  Kavouss. Arasteh:pLS TAKE THE RECORD AND CHAT CONTENT

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):we always capture the Chat

  matthw shears:thanks Steve - happy to

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):THANS ALL Bye for now

  FIONA ASONGA:Bye

  Tatiana Tropina:bye

  jorge villa (ASO):bye!

  Christian Dawson:Thanks all

  Rosalia Morales:thanks bye!

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):bye   We will follow the existing Master schedule I assume


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