Sub-Group Members: Alan Greenberg, Antonia Chu, Farzaneh Badii, Finn Petersen, Greg Shatan, Jan Scholte, Leon Sanchez, Mathew Shears, Par Brumark, Philip Corwin, Robin Gross, Samantha Eisner, Sebastien Bachollet (13)
Staff: Bernard Turcotte, Grace Abuhamed, Kim Carlson
Apologies: Seun Ojedeji
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Kimberly Carlson: (7/22/2015 07:04) Welcome to WP3 Meeting #6 on 22 July! Please note that chat sessions are being archived and follow the ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior: http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/accountability/expected-standards
Pär Brumark (GAC NIUE): (07:56) Hi Kimberly!
Leon Sanchez: (07:56) Hello Pär
Leon Sanchez: (07:56) Hi Kimberly
Leon Sanchez: (07:56) Hello everyone
Kimberly Carlson: (07:56) Hello Everyone
Pär Brumark (GAC NIUE): (07:57) Hi Leon and all!
Leon Sanchez: (07:57) Hi Jan
Jan Scholte: (07:57) Greetings all
Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (07:58) Hello everyone!
Jan Scholte: (08:05) Leon, could we see the text on screen?
Grace Abuhamad: (08:09) Which document would you like to upload?
Jan Scholte: (08:11) The list of points for SO/AC accountability that we discussed (and amended) at Paris.
Grace Abuhamad: (08:11) ok
Greg Shatan: (08:13) I think some elements of SO/AC accountability (or at least transparency) have in fact been discussed in past ATRT reviews, but I haven't analyzed the issue in any significant manner.
Greg Shatan: (08:14) The GNSO review should probably be re-done in any event...
Greg Shatan: (08:14) ]But that's an issue for a different forum.
Greg Shatan: (08:17) We can make it a priority for WS2, but we need to look at all of the issues in WS2 to decide how to prioritize them.
Greg Shatan: (08:18) Holding the IANA Transition hostage to an SO/AC accountability discussion strikes me as a very bad idea.
Sébastien (ALAC): (08:20) But what to have a board accountable to a non accountable community
Sébastien (ALAC): (08:20) SO/AC are not so different than the board regarding accountability
Greg Shatan: (08:20) Why do you assume it's a non-accountable community?
Greg Shatan: (08:21) I disagree with that characterization.
Sébastien (ALAC): (08:22) No pb I desagree with you @Greeg
Greg Shatan: (08:22) It can certainly be reviewed, and perhaps improved. But the idea that they are "unaccountable" until some review says otherwise assumes much too much.
Sébastien (ALAC): (08:22) It is not what I said
Greg Shatan: (08:23) You called it a "non accountable community." Seems pretty close, but perhaps I am missing the distinction.
Sébastien (ALAC): (08:24) Not différent on what we said about the Board
Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (08:25) Well, the primary difference between the community and board is the capacity for dynamic participation. The community is not fixed for any period of time.
Sébastien (ALAC): (08:29) But their leaders yes
Sébastien (ALAC): (08:31) @Jan it was before the creation of the WP3
Greg Shatan: (08:31) Leaders come and go as well.
Sébastien (ALAC): (08:31) By AFNIC
Greg Shatan: (08:31) Hopefully, not too quickly....
Jan Scholte: (08:31) Thanks, Sebastien
Sébastien (ALAC): (08:32) @Greg yes like the Board members
Jan Scholte: (08:33) Thanks Leon
Greg Shatan: (08:36) Thanks, Sebastien. Perhaps it's just a phrasing issue.
Sébastien (ALAC): (08:40) +1 @ Jan
Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (08:40) we could dismantle and set a date to start up again?
Robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (08:40) personally I see board transparency and GAC transparency as far more important than "diversity" - whatever that is.
Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (08:41) thanks
Jan Scholte: (08:42) Many thanks Leon Bye all
Pär Brumark (GAC NIUE): (08:42) Thx all!
Robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (08:42) thanks - bye
Greg Shatan: (08:42) Bye all.