Sub-Group Members: Becky Burr, Caitrin Dwyer, Chris LaHatte, Paul Rosenzweig, Suzanne Radell, Keith Drazek, Robin Gross, Stephanie Duchesneau, Steve DelBianco, Pedro Ivo Silva, David McAuley, Jonathan Zuck, Par Brumark, Jorge Villa,
Staff: Alice Jansen, Berry Cobb, Grace Abuhamad, Brenda Brewer
Apologies: David Maher
**Please let Brenda know if your name has been left off the list (attendees or apologies).**
The Adobe Connect recording is available here: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/p1tmoslfu5e/
The audio recording is available here: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-wp2-27feb15-en.mp3
1. Goal: Everyone agrees on what's in remit and what's not in remit
2. Working Methodology
3. Roles fore WP2 volunteers
WP2 Call #1 - 27 February 2015
This call is being recorded
WP2 documents can be found at:
- In this draft, have takem out things that belong in WP1 and focused on things that are in our remit.
- We are looking at mechanisms that are "triggered," not standing mechanisms
- We have a list of principles out of Frankfurt --> no comment
- Next, is inventory of suggestions (WA1 and WA2 product)
- "Changes to Bylaws and Articles" as well as "Mechanism for review of Board or management in conflict with ICANN Bylaws or Articles" could be issues for WP1 but we'll keep for now and make sure to coordinate on work
Create different groups
Need: more volunteers
- Independent Review
- New Mechanisms
Need: more volunteers
Volunteers are welcome to work on more than one
Ombudsman (Chris) would like to be involved with group working on Ombudsman so that responsilibitiles and abilities of the role are clear
Concern about how standards review fits in "triggered"
Need for a standard by which to evaluate community empowerment over a Board decision
Remember that these issues are cross-cutting
--> Get the first bit of work done and then return to the cross-cutting issues
Action (all): Volunteer for subteams. And volunteer to lead!
4 more meetings between now and Istanbul
Thursday was the day that seems to accommodate most people's schedule (starting time and 8 hour rotation until we get to IST)
Monday call is a duplicate call, so there is no need to attend if you were able to make this call
Action (all): Volunteer for subteams. And volunteer to lead!
Alice Jansen 9: (2/27/2015 06:18) Welcome to your WP2 call #1! Please note that chat sessions are being archived and follow the ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior: http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/accountability/expected-standards
Becky Burr: (13:50) Hi Alice
Becky Burr: (13:51) or Grace
Chris LaHatte: (13:51) good morning, sound is clear in New Zealand
Chris LaHatte: (13:55) 8.55 am Saturday good time!
jorge villa (ASO): (13:55) hi everyone
Becky Burr: (13:56) welcom
Pär Brumark (GAC, Niue): (13:57) Good Evening everyone!
Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (13:58) Do we have critical mass for a face to face on Suday afternoon?
Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (13:59) I have a choice to arrive at 1pm going indirect or 5pm going direct which is the source of the question
Becky Burr: (14:00) come at 1 pm please
Becky Burr: (14:00) or how indirect is it?
Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (14:00) I don't mean to make this personal. I just want to be sure that there's going to be a meeting, that's all
Becky Burr: (14:01) i think we need the time so i will push for it
Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (14:01) united leaves Iad at 5pm goes through germany, gets in around 2pm, Turkish leaves at midnight and gets in at 5pm non-stop
Robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (14:04) I will try to make it, Becky. I haven't heard from Constituency Travel yet about organizing the flight, however.
David McAuley: (14:07) principles seem fine
Robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (14:07) Yes, these principles look good.
Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (14:07) the're good. we'll revise as we work
Robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (14:09) Let's be sure to include the Cooperation Engagement Process (a pre-process to the IRP).
Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (14:09) there aren't
David McAuley: (14:10) no hands yet
Paul Rosenzweig: (14:12) Apologies ... my mike was muted. I was just raising my hand so that you ccould see it
David McAuley: (14:14) It may be hard to decided when a failure to act has actually been triggered
Grace Abuhamad: (14:15) Thanks @Paul
Paul Rosenzweig: (14:15) Not sure that is so Daivd ... anyone who is aggrieved can allege that and the arbiter can determine timeliness as with any other factor
David McAuley: (14:16) fair point
Robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (14:19) I'm thinking we need to divide it that way.
Robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (14:20) Let's just coordinate the work between the sub-groups, so we can participate on several of them.
Grace Abuhamad: (14:21) Can you repeat the names of the groups? Or can volunteers crowdsource this for me i n chat?
Robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (14:22) I think there will be difference in those standards depending on the mechanism. Agree that each subgroup will deal with it, but it won't be a uniform answer for all mechanisms.
Grace Abuhamad: (14:23) Please speak up Chris
David McAuley: (14:23) hard to hear Chris
David McAuley: (14:23) thanks Grace
Steve DelBianco [GNSO CSG]: (14:23) There is an echo so somebody has their Adobe Connect speaker AND a phone bridge at the same time
Robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (14:24) I wouldn't blame you, Chris. That is a long journey.
Paul Rosenzweig: (14:24) +1 David!
Paul Rosenzweig: (14:24) Thanks for the shoutout
Paul Rosenzweig: (14:25) Grace -- Groups suggested were Ombusdsman, Reconsideration, Review, New Mechanisms and Standards
Grace Abuhamad: (14:26) @Paul Thank you !!
David McAuley: (14:27) Guess my concern best said this way: how do standards review fit w/in trigggered
David McAuley: (14:28) Reviewer standards I completely get - very good point Paul
Paul Rosenzweig: (14:29) Thanks David. I like an actual disucssion format like this -- it helps
Paul Rosenzweig: (14:29) +1 Steve
Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (14:32) +1 Steve
Paul Rosenzweig: (14:33) Agree Steve. I see an arbitral adjudication as less intrusive than a community veto, don't you?
Chris LaHatte: (14:36) +1 Steve
Chris LaHatte: (14:37) think of this as designing a dispute resolution system with entry points perhaps
Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (14:38) grace, I'm interested in independent review
Paul Rosenzweig: (14:38) Grace I volunteer for review and standards
Robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (14:38) I volunteer for all of them.
Chris LaHatte: (14:38) I think I have to
Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (14:39) I'll help on new mechanisms if needed
Paul Rosenzweig: (14:40) You may have to assign people!
Robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (14:43) works for me, Becky.
David McAuley: (14:44) sounds fair
Pedro Ivo Silva [GAC Brasil]: (14:44) agree
Chris LaHatte: (14:44) that's good thanks
Robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (14:45) let's just coordinate the subgroup calls so they don't meet at the same time.
David McAuley: (14:45) makes sense to me
Grace Abuhamad: (14:45) @Robin, that will be staff's role mainly I think. To schedule as many non-overlapping calls
Robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (14:45) thank you, Grace.
Grace Abuhamad: (14:46) It's getting tougher and tougher with CWG/CCWG, but we'll focus on CCWG non-overlaps :)
Steve DelBianco [GNSO CSG]: (14:48) I'm not positive, but I think its in YOUR wprok party
Steve DelBianco [GNSO CSG]: (14:48) I am still confused between triggered and non-triggered
David McAuley: (14:49) Steve, I tend to a view that triggered means a specific claimant or more and not sure that is right
Paul Rosenzweig: (14:50) Is the draft workplan available on the wiki?
Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (14:50) it doesn't even really matter as long as nothing falls through the cracks
Grace Abuhamad: (14:51) https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/WP2+Draft+Documents
David McAuley: (14:51) +1 Jonathan
Robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (14:51) Since the veto is the new mechanisms subgroup, I can volunteer to lead that one.
David McAuley: (14:51) Thanks Becky and all others
Grace Abuhamad: (14:51) Sorry bad link
Grace Abuhamad: (14:51) https://community.icann.org/display/acctcrosscomm/WP+2+Draft+Documents
Keith Drazek: (14:51) Thanks Becky
Chris LaHatte: (14:51) thanks everyone
Pär Brumark (GAC, Niue): (14:51) Thx
Suzanne Radell/GAC: (14:51) Thanks, and bye
Robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (14:51) Thank you, Becky and all!