Sub-Group Members:  Becky Burr, Caitrin Dwyer, Chris LaHatte, Paul Rosenzweig, Suzanne Radell, Keith Drazek, Robin Gross, Stephanie Duchesneau, Steve DelBianco,  Pedro Ivo Silva, David McAuley, Jonathan Zuck, Par Brumark, Jorge Villa, 

Staff:  Alice Jansen, Berry Cobb, Grace Abuhamad, Brenda Brewer

Apologies:  David Maher

**Please let Brenda know if your name has been left off the list (attendees or apologies).**


Transcript WP2 Meeting #1 27 FEB.doc

Transcript WP2 Meeting #1 27 FEB.pdf


The Adobe Connect recording is available here:

The audio recording is available here:

Proposed Agenda

1. Goal: Everyone agrees on what's in remit and what's not in remit

2. Working Methodology

3. Roles fore WP2 volunteers


WP2 Call #1 - 27 February 2015

This call is being recorded

WP2 documents can be found at: 

  • In this draft, have takem out things that belong in WP1 and focused on things that are in our remit.
  • We are looking at mechanisms that are "triggered," not standing mechanisms
  • We have a list of principles out of Frankfurt --> no comment
  • Next, is inventory of suggestions (WA1 and WA2 product)
  • "Changes to Bylaws and Articles" as well as "Mechanism for review of Board or management in conflict with ICANN Bylaws or Articles" could be issues for WP1 but we'll keep for now and make sure to coordinate on work

Working Methodology

Create different groups


  • Ombudsman

Chris LaHatte

Robin Gross

Need: more volunteers

Need: leader


  • Reconsideration 

Chris LaHatte

David McAuley

Robin Gross

Need: leader


  • Independent Review

Paul Rosenzweig 

David McAuley

Jonathan Zuck

Robin Gross

Chris LaHatte

Need: leader


  • New Mechanisms

Robin Gross

Need: more volunteers

Need: leader


  • Standards 

Robin Gross

Paul Rosenzweig

Need: leader


Volunteers are welcome to work on more than one

Ombudsman (Chris) would like to be involved with group working on Ombudsman so that responsilibitiles and abilities of the role are clear 

Concern about how standards review fits in "triggered"

Need for a standard by which to evaluate community empowerment over a Board decision

Remember that these issues are cross-cutting

--> Get the first bit of work done and then return to the cross-cutting issues


Action (all): Volunteer for subteams. And volunteer to lead!


4 more meetings between now and Istanbul 

Thursday was the day that seems to accommodate most people's schedule (starting time and 8 hour rotation until we get to IST) 


Monday call is a duplicate call, so there is no need to attend if you were able to make this call

Action Items

Action (all): Volunteer for subteams. And volunteer to lead!

Documents Presented

Chat Transcript

Alice Jansen 9: (2/27/2015 06:18) Welcome to your WP2 call #1! Please note that chat sessions are being archived and  follow the ICANN Expected Standards of Behavior:

  Becky Burr: (13:50) Hi Alice

  Becky Burr: (13:51) or Grace

  Chris LaHatte: (13:51) good morning, sound is clear in New Zealand

  Chris LaHatte: (13:55) 8.55 am Saturday good time!

  jorge villa (ASO): (13:55) hi everyone

  Becky Burr: (13:56) welcom

  Pär Brumark (GAC, Niue): (13:57) Good Evening everyone!

  Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (13:58) Do we have critical mass for a face to face on Suday afternoon?

  Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (13:59) I have a choice to arrive at 1pm going indirect or 5pm going direct which is the source of the question

  Becky Burr: (14:00) come at 1 pm please

  Becky Burr: (14:00) or how indirect is it?

  Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (14:00) I don't mean to make this personal. I just want to be sure that there's going to be a meeting, that's all

  Becky Burr: (14:01) i think we need the time so i will push for it

  Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (14:01) united leaves Iad at 5pm goes through germany, gets in around 2pm, Turkish leaves at midnight  and gets in at 5pm non-stop

  Robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (14:04) I will try to make it, Becky.  I haven't heard from Constituency Travel yet about organizing the flight, however.

  David McAuley: (14:07) principles seem fine

  Robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (14:07) Yes, these principles look good.

  Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (14:07) the're good. we'll revise as we work

  Robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (14:09) Let's be sure to include the Cooperation Engagement Process (a pre-process to the IRP).

  Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (14:09) there aren't

  David McAuley: (14:10) no hands yet

  Paul Rosenzweig: (14:12) Apologies ... my mike was muted.  I was just raising my hand so that  you ccould see it

  David McAuley: (14:14) It may be hard to decided when a failure to act has actually been triggered

  Grace Abuhamad: (14:15) Thanks @Paul

  Paul Rosenzweig: (14:15) Not sure  that is so Daivd ... anyone who is aggrieved can allege that and the arbiter can determine timeliness as with any other factor

  David McAuley: (14:16) fair point

  Robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (14:19) I'm thinking we need to divide it that way.

  Robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (14:20) Let's just coordinate the work between the sub-groups, so we can participate on several of them.

  Grace Abuhamad: (14:21) Can you repeat the names of the groups? Or can volunteers crowdsource this for me i n chat?

  Robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (14:22) I think there will be difference in those standards depending on the mechanism.  Agree that each subgroup will deal with it, but it won't be a uniform answer for all mechanisms.

  Grace Abuhamad: (14:23) Please speak up Chris

  David McAuley: (14:23) hard to hear Chris

  David McAuley: (14:23) thanks Grace

  Steve DelBianco  [GNSO CSG]: (14:23) There is an echo so somebody has their Adobe Connect speaker AND a phone bridge at the same time

  Robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (14:24) I wouldn't blame you, Chris.  That is a long journey.

  Paul Rosenzweig: (14:24) +1 David!

  Paul Rosenzweig: (14:24) Thanks for the shoutout

  Paul Rosenzweig: (14:25) Grace -- Groups suggested were Ombusdsman, Reconsideration, Review, New Mechanisms and Standards

  Grace Abuhamad: (14:26) @Paul Thank you !!

  David McAuley: (14:27) Guess my concern best said this way: how do standards review fit w/in trigggered

  David McAuley: (14:28) Reviewer standards I completely get - very good point Paul

  Paul Rosenzweig: (14:29) Thanks David.  I like an actual disucssion format like this -- it helps

  Paul Rosenzweig: (14:29) +1 Steve

  Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (14:32) +1 Steve

  Paul Rosenzweig: (14:33) Agree Steve.  I see an arbitral adjudication as less intrusive than a community veto, don't you?

  Chris LaHatte: (14:36) +1 Steve

  Chris LaHatte: (14:37) think of this as designing a dispute resolution system with entry points perhaps

  Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (14:38) grace, I'm interested in independent review

  Paul Rosenzweig: (14:38) Grace  I volunteer for review and standards

  Robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (14:38) I volunteer for all of them.

  Chris LaHatte: (14:38) I think I have to

  Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (14:39) I'll help on new mechanisms if needed

  Paul Rosenzweig: (14:40) You may have to assign people!

  Robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (14:43) works for me, Becky.

  David McAuley: (14:44) sounds fair

  Pedro Ivo Silva [GAC Brasil]: (14:44) agree

  Chris LaHatte: (14:44) that's good thanks

  Robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (14:45) let's just coordinate the subgroup calls so they don't meet at the same time.

  David McAuley: (14:45) makes sense to me

  Grace Abuhamad: (14:45) @Robin, that will be staff's role mainly I think. To schedule as many non-overlapping calls

  Robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (14:45) thank you, Grace.

  Grace Abuhamad: (14:46) It's getting tougher and tougher with CWG/CCWG, but we'll focus on CCWG non-overlaps :)

  Steve DelBianco  [GNSO CSG]: (14:48) I'm not positive, but I think its in YOUR wprok party

  Steve DelBianco  [GNSO CSG]: (14:48) I am still confused between triggered and non-triggered

  David McAuley: (14:49) Steve, I tend to a view that triggered means a specific claimant or more and not sure that is right

  Paul Rosenzweig: (14:50) Is the draft workplan available on the wiki?

  Jonathan Zuck (IPC): (14:50) it doesn't even really matter as long as nothing falls through the cracks

  Grace Abuhamad: (14:51)

  David McAuley: (14:51) +1 Jonathan

  Robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (14:51) Since the veto is the new mechanisms subgroup, I can volunteer to lead that one.

  David McAuley: (14:51) Thanks Becky and all others

  Grace Abuhamad: (14:51) Sorry bad link

  Grace Abuhamad: (14:51)

  Keith Drazek: (14:51) Thanks Becky

  Chris LaHatte: (14:51) thanks everyone

  Pär Brumark (GAC, Niue): (14:51) Thx

  Suzanne Radell/GAC: (14:51) Thanks, and bye

  Robin Gross [GNSO - NCSG]: (14:51) Thank you, Becky and all!

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