Members:  Avri Doria, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Eduardo Diaz, Elise Lindeberg, Erick Iriarte, Graeme Bunton, Greg Shatan, Jaap Akkerhuis, Jonathan Robinson, Lise Fuhr, Olivier Crepin-Leblond, Staffan Jonson, Wanawit Ahkuputra   (13)

Participants:  Allan MacGillivray, Christopher Wilkinson, Chuck Gomes, Gary Hunt, Guru Acharya, James Gannon, Joerg Schweiger, Jorge Cancio, Maarten Simon, Matthew Shears, Paul Szyndler, Peter Van Roste, Pitinan Kooarmornpatana, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy, Stephanie Duchesneau, Steve Crocker, Suzanne Woolf, Tomohiro Fujisaki, Wale Bakare, Yasuichi Kitamura    (19)

Staff:  Bart Boswinkel, Bernard Turcotte, Berry Cobb, Brenda Brewer, Grace Abuhamad, Marika Konings

Apologies:   Alan Greenberg, Martin Boyle, Seun Ojediji, Donna Austin

**Please let Brenda know if your name has been left off the list (attendees or apologies).**

Proposed Agenda: 

1. Opening Remarks

2. Proposal 2.1

3. Design Teams     

     a. Finalize DT list

     b. Update on DT-A (Paul Kane)

     c. Update on DT-B (Allan MacGillivray)

     d. Update on DT-C (Staffan Jonson)

     e. Comission additional DTs

4. Principles

5. Update from Client Committee

6. AOB

7. Closing Remarks

Action Items

Action (Robert & Cheryl): suggest text to fill out sections 4 and 5 of proposal (Wiki will serve as basis) 

Action (Grace): Add Matthew and James to DT-L

Action (Cheryl): start to work on DT-D (Jaap as well)

Action (Staff): Put out call for lead for DT-F

Action (all): sign up for DTs on mailing list

Action (Grace): add Chuck, Avri, and Staffan to DT-M 

Action (Staff): Add Red Team at end of DT list to to examine whether there are any issues with respect to meeting NTIA's criteria, particularly with respect to security and stability and prevention of capture. This is a particular form of stress testing

Action (Avri): Start to work on DT-N (provisional lead)

Action (Martin): work with key principles people to resolve before Tuesday call

Action (Avri): Review the work of the CWG and the communications between CCWG/CWG to ensure that the interdependencies are up to date


1. Opening Remarks

F2F is a little over a week -- 7 day hard sprint

DTs need to work hard and fast (please get involved)

2. Proposal 2.1

  • Goal is have proposal comparable to the other proposals and responds to RFP
  • Kurt Pritz suggested DT map (uploaded in AC): goes through 4 oversight tasks -- monitor IANA performance; authorization function; approve IANA operations changes; designates IANA provider.
  • For 'monitor IANA performance' looks like CWG can address the whole column
  • Sections 4&5 are light. Would be helpful if the RFP leads could assist in filling those sections out since there was work done on these sections pre-Singapore

Action (Robert & Cheryl): suggest text to fill out sections 4 and 5 of proposal (Wiki will serve as basis) 

3. Design Teams     

     a. Finalize DT list

Action (Grace): Add Matthew and James to DT-L

     b. Update on DT-A (Paul Kane) --> Not on the line

     c. Update on DT-B (Allan MacGillivray)

     d. Update on DT-C (Staffan Jonson)

Staff can assist wil drafting intial content so that groups can edit/modify

     e. Comission additional DTs

Action (Cheryl): start to work on DT-D (Jaap as well)

Action (Staff): Put out call for lead for DT-F

Action (all): sign up for DTs on mailing list

Action (Grace): add Chuck, Avri, and Staffan to DT-M 

Action (Staff): Add Red Team at end of DT list to to examine whether there are any issues with respect to meeting NTIA's criteria, particularly with respect to security and stability and prevention of capture. This is a particular form of stress testing

Action (Avri): Start to work on DT-N (provisional lead)

Action (staff): rename DT-L for greater clarity 

7 day sprint! 

4. Principles

Note: Andrew Sullivan made changes but they are not included in this version

Outstanding issues: 

  • 7.2
  • 10
  • footnote 1 paragraph 5.ii

Action (Martin): work with key principles people to resolve before Tuesday call

5. Update from Client Committee

  • Questions for Sidley (law firm) should be sent through CWG mailing list (marked for Client committee)
  • Role of the Committee is an interface between the CWG and the Law firm
  • Overwhelming support for having 1 or more of the Sidley team present in Istanbul (94% in quick CWG poll)
  • Two objectives: 1) observing and getting sense of group; 2) have substantive interaction with the group

6. AOB

Avri: Do we need another communication to the Accountability CCWG, refining any of our issues and dependencies?

Action (Avri): Review the work of the CWG and the communications between CCWG/CWG to ensure that the interdependencies are up to date

As a reminder, the past note, with some comments pending from January is at <>  it is opne for comments/suggested edits.


7. Closing Remarks


Transcript CWG IANA #28 12 MARCH.doc

Transcript CWG IANA #28 12 MARCH.pdf


The Adobe Connect recording is available here:

The audio recording is available here:

Documents Presented

CWG - Draft Transition Plan - V2.1.pdf

Draft of Principles - updated 11 March.pdf

CWG Design Teams - Status 11 March 2015.pdf

Chat Transcript

  Brenda Brewer:Good Day and welcome to the CWG IANA Meeting #28 call at 11:00 UTC.

  Jonathan Robinson:Hello everyone

  James Gannon (NCUC/NCSG):Morning all.

  Bernard Turcotte - staff support:good day everyone

  Yasuichi Kitamura:hi, all

  Staffan Jonson:Hi All

  James Gannon (NCUC/NCSG):Yes

  Maarten Simon, SIDN:good day

  Lise Fuhr:Hello from DK

  jorge cancio GAC:hello all

  Jaap Akkerhuis (SSAC) (SSAC):Hi all

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr 2:Hi all

  Steve Crocker:Hello, everyone

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC-APRegional Member:Hi Steve

  James Gannon (NCUC/NCSG):Can we make sure everyone not a presenter is muted? =)

  Greg Shatan (GNSO/CSG/IPC):Good morning/afternoon/evening, all.

  Gary Hunt UK Govt.:Good day to you all!

  James Gannon (NCUC/NCSG):Morning Greg/Gary, everyone had their coffe this morning =)

  Avri Doria:i have an AOB item:  Do we need another communication to the Accountability CCWG, refining any of our issues and dependencies?

  Avri Doria:... or perhaps an updated communication.

  Grace Abuhamad:Noted

  Grace Abuhamad:thanks @Avri

  James Gannon (NCUC/NCSG):Good tool to help guide the discussions

  jorge cancio GAC:looks quite useful to follow discussions

  jorge cancio GAC:thanks to Kurt

  Chuck Gomes (RySG):+1 on Kurt's contribution.

  Grace Abuhamad:It's like an issue tracker? :)

  James Gannon (NCUC/NCSG):Gives a solid structure for where there might be overlap or consolidation or breakout of DTs aswell

  Staffan Jonson:We have similar structure for the CSC for keeping trackof issues. Hopefully it will work!

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC-APRegional Member:The Wiki work  archove  the various RFP's 4 & % include  still stands as bassis work of course  @Jonathan

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC-APRegional Member:sorry anout the typos :-(

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC-APRegional Member:Agreeed

  Staffan Jonson:Sorry, see that now!

  Matthew Shears:Is DT L the DT that has to look at the 4 page transiton document on the procedures under C 7

  Matthew Shears:of the current contract?

  Jonathan Robinson:@Matthew. Yes, that is my understanding. It needs renaiming to make the link clearer

  Matthew Shears:OK - happy to work on that

  James Gannon (NCUC/NCSG):That DT prob needs to start soon as the existing plan seems extremely light with very little actual detail in it

  Matthew Shears:@ James - compltely agree

  Staffan Jonson:Some 14 hours ago Marika confirmed DT 3 or DTC  - CSC members:•   Donna Austin (gTLD Registry) - lead•    Staffan Johnson (ccTLD Registry) - co-lead• Stephanie Duchesneau – gTLD Registry•         Martin Boyle – ccTLD registry•     Kurt Pritz – GNSO• Sarah Falvey – gTLD Registry

  James Gannon (NCUC/NCSG):I'll put my name in the hat for that if neesed, I have experience with Disaster R3ecovery planning so I can probably give some input of use.

  Grace Abuhamad:@James for DT-L?

  James Gannon (NCUC/NCSG):Yes Grace please

  Grace Abuhamad:ok noted

  Staffan Jonson:Mhh

  James Gannon (NCUC/NCSG):Thanks Grace

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC-APRegional Member:I can start eith t=DT-D  work net week

  Lise Fuhr:Perfect Cheryl

  Chuck Gomes (RySG):I will work on getting at least one more volunteer for DT-M (Escalation) from the RySG; we need a couple people from ccTLDs and a volunteer that is not from a registry.

  Avri Doria:i will also volunteer to work on M.

  Chuck Gomes (RySG):Thanks very much Avri.

  Chuck Gomes (RySG):Thanks Staffan.

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC-APRegional Member:Importsnt point @Chuck

  Avri Doria:I think M is largely what happens at the interface of C.

  Steve Crocker:Looking ahead a bit, as the specifics of the proposal come together, I suggest structuring some form of red team analysis to examine whether there are any issues with respect to meeting NTIA's criteria, particularly with respect to security and stability and prevention of capture.  This is a particular form of stress testing.

  Steve Crocker:The results of red team testing can be fed back to the desing teams and working group.

  Grace Abuhamad:I don't have mailing lists for all DTs yet. I will create them today. Please start to work off list or on main CWG list, and I'll get you signed up on your own list within 24h (this is for DT-L; DT-D, DT-F)

  Greg Shatan (GNSO/CSG/IPC):C and M are related the way an elevator is related to the floors it stops at.

  Lise Fuhr:@Steve that is also what is included in RFP4

  Avri Doria:I am intersted in N

  Avri Doria:provisionally

  Bernard Turcotte - staff support:Sold to AV

  Chuck Gomes (RySG):If we can get a couple ccTLD volunteers for M we can get started this week.

  Chuck Gomes (RySG):Several DTs including M and C could benefit from an IANA team volunteer; is staff coordinating that?

  Matthew Shears:+ 1 - same for DT L

  James Gannon (NCUC/NCSG):Agreed with AMtthew

  Chuck Gomes (RySG):Actually we only need one more ccTLD volunteer for M because Staffan volunteered.

  Grace Abuhamad:We are not currently, but could reach out per requests

  Grace Abuhamad:@Chuck

  jorge cancio GAC:one question (perhaps on agenda point 5): on design team L, there is a reminder that it is "pending legal advice". How will that  advice be sought, i.e. how and through which procedure will be the questions formulated?

  James Gannon (NCUC/NCSG):@Jorge I would think that the DT can formulate the gernal questions and bring them to the Client COmmitte to be passed onto Sidley, Greg can maybe give more detail in dection 5 as you say

  Grace Abuhamad:Yes -- doc in unsynced

  Jonathan Robinson:@Jorge. I thought that originally but think it less so now. I feel that DT-L is more about the check-list and critical mechanics regardless of the legal structure or entity to whom the function is to be transferred.

  James Gannon (NCUC/NCSG):@HJohnathan, for DT-L I think it can/might be kept as close to being a techniocal document/plan almost likle a disaster recovery plan, how to move not getting into wether or whom it should be moved to

  jorge cancio GAC:thanks - in that case the question remains how legal advice questions will be formulated before putting them to Sidley, right?

  Matthew Shears:Agree James

  Jonathan Robinson:@James. Exactly. That's a good analogy and deals with the natural "Stress Test" question which may follow

  Erick Iriarte Ahon:i'm ok with the new version )

  James Gannon (NCUC/NCSG):+1 Johnathan

  Erick Iriarte Ahon:@grace please add my name to team M to start :)

  Jonathan Robinson:@Grace. Please note action to rename DT-L for greater clarity

  Chuck Gomes (RySG):Good point from Avri on 'should' v. 'must'.

  James Gannon (NCUC/NCSG):+1 Avri

  Matthew Shears:+ 1 Avri - would prefer "must"

  Greg Shatan (GNSO/CSG/IPC):+1 to Avri.

  Chuck Gomes (RySG):It looks like we are ready to go for M.  If we get an IANA or former IANA member that would be a plus but I think we are ready to go once we have a list.

  Olivier Crepin-Leblond:+1 Avri: re: must

  Brenda Brewer:Seun sends apologies

  Chuck Gomes (RySG):@ Jonathan & Lise - Please let us know as soon as possible when you approve M.

  Christopher Wilkinson (CW):FN 1: I prefer the original text, (referring to ICANN)

  Jonathan Robinson:@Chuck - On M approval. Will turn that around ASAP. Most likely today. Very keen to get these moving and refine scope en route as necessary.

  Matthew Shears:I like that - giving the word!

  James Gannon (NCUC/NCSG):Grace: Guru Acharya had expressed interest in DT-L aswell onlist can we make sure he gets added aswell

  Matthew Shears:yes we should as he secured the doc

  James Gannon (NCUC/NCSG):Yep was just goin back though the list discussion on it there I've sent a generic call for interest to the list aswell

  jorge cancio GAC:could you please post the link to this scoping document?

  Grace Abuhamad:Materials from call here:

  Grace Abuhamad:@Jorge -- the document is on the meeting page from yesterday. Also, all drafts are posted here:

  Steve Crocker:With apology, I need to break off.  I will try to call in again from the car.  I will not be in the room.

  Grace Abuhamad:No, suggest that those be sent to CWG plenary list

  Grace Abuhamad:@Greg

  Grace Abuhamad:more transparent :)

  jorge cancio GAC:thanks, Grace

  jorge cancio GAC:sorry, perhaps I missed that thread, but these questions have been drafted according to what procedure? apologies for my ignorance.

  Matthew Shears:I think the sooner Sidley are fully engaged the better

  James Gannon (NCUC/NCSG):The potential value outweighs the costs involved

  Chuck Gomes (RySG):In person participation in Istanbul would be helpful if the person who attends can cover most of the issues; remote participation might be okay.

  Avri Doria:i tink 1 f2f may be enough with others  doing some remote partiaption in specific meetings aas appropriate.  At least one needs to have the organic understanding only f2f can bring.

  Christopher Wilkinson (CW):Could we please have the 'issues for Independent Legal Advice' document on the List. Thankyou.

  James Gannon (NCUC/NCSG):I would think that Sidley wont be giving ad-hoc legal advice on the spot in Istanbul I would more reccomend looking at it in the way of what sessions should we have Sidley present and activly enganging with

  Grace Abuhamad:@CW:

  Grace Abuhamad:all drafts are posted at

  Matthew Shears:+ 1 Avri

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC-APRegional Member:Agree ttally @avri

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC-APRegional Member:totally *sigh*

  Chuck Gomes (RySG):Agree Jonathan.  Holly would be good.

  Chuck Gomes (RySG):Well said Greg.

  Avri Doria:i can continue to tend the document with staff support.

  Avri Doria:i will be there the whole week.

  Jonathan Robinson:Thank-you Avri

  Grace Abuhamad:I think this is the meeting Greg is referribg to:

  Greg Shatan (GNSO/CSG/IPC):

  Avri Doria:as a reminder, the past note, with some comments pending from January is at <>  it is opne for comments/suggested edits.

  Lise Fuhr:Thank you Jonathan

  Bernard Turcotte - staff support:bye all

  Greg Shatan (GNSO/CSG/IPC):@Grace, yes -- different link, same destination.

  James Gannon (NCUC/NCSG):Thanks all

  Chuck Gomes (RySG):Thanks all.

  Staffan Jonson:Thank You all

  Cheryl Langdon-Orr ALAC-APRegional Member:Thanks all... Talk soon... Bye

  Erick Iriarte Ahon:bye

  Jaap Akkerhuis (SSAC):Bye all

  Allan MacGillivray:Good day all.

  Matthew Shears:thanks!

  Maarten Simon, SIDN:bye

  Greg Shatan (GNSO/CSG/IPC):Bye all

  Christopher Wilkinson (CW):B'ye - CW

  Gary Hunt UK Govt.:Goodbye all!

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