Gisella Gruber-White:Welcome to the Rules of Procedure WG & Metrics Sub Committee on Monday 16 April 2012
Sandra Hoferichter:Hi Gisella I am on my desk I dont need a dial out
Gisella Gruber-White:Thank you Sandra! Welcome
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Hello all
Alan Greenberg:Hello.
Eduardo Diaz:Hola to everyone
Alan Greenberg:How long is this meeting scheduled for (NARALO starts in an hour).
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:NP to that Alan we are a 60 min max call for today
Gisella Gruber-White:This meeting is scheduled for 1h
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Hola
Maureen Hilyard:Good morning everyone
Eduardo Diaz:@Gisella - very good. Some of us have a NARALO meeting right after this one.
Gisella Gruber-White:yes tight schedule!
Gisella Gruber-White:We have Spanish interpretation on 1738 channel
Gisella Gruber-White:Reminder to PLEASE state your names when speaking
Sylvia Herlein Leite:hello everybody
Gisella Gruber-White:If you have joined on the telephone line, please mute your computers as we have 2 way audio on the Adobe Connect
Heidi Ullrich:Hello, Sylvia! Hola!
Holly Raiche:Good morning everyone
sergio salinas porto:hi all!
Eduardo Diaz:Hola sergio
Heidi Ullrich:Hi, Sergio!
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Hello everyone
Sylvia Herlein Leite:Spanish channel is 1738 and NOT 1739
Sylvia Herlein Leite:and Sylvia too
Gisella Gruber-White:Spanish is 1738
Gisella Gruber-White:Sylvia - are you joining the Spanish channel?
Sylvia Herlein Leite:I'm already
Gisella Gruber-White:PLEASE mute your microphones if you are NOT speaking
Gisella Gruber-White:Enabling 2 way audio does create a lot of noise - PLEASE MUTE
Gisella Gruber-White:Jose Arce will join in 10 minutes
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Fatimata is on Adigo -- she can be muted by Adigo?
Yaovi Atohoun:Yaovi
Yaovi Atohoun:too
Yaovi Atohoun:I am using my audio from the computer
Gisella Gruber-White:We will be muting ALL NOISY LINES
Cintra Sooknanan:Hello
Cintra Sooknanan:Using my computer audio also
Matt Ashtiani:ALAC Rules of Procedure Working Group - https://community.icann.org/x/VoYi
Roosevelt King:ok, using computer audio
Gisella Gruber-White:Yaovi has joined the call
Heidi Ullrich:The link above is the ROP Section-by-Section wiki page
Heidi Ullrich:This link is to the ROP WG Workspace: https://community.icann.org/x/RJPbAQ
Heidi Ullrich:This page has resources, meeting agendas, members of the Group, etc.
Heidi Ullrich:This is the link to the ALAC Metrics WG Workspace: https://community.icann.org/x/HJfbAQ
Heidi Ullrich:The ALAC Metrics group is a sub-committee of the ROP WG.
Gisella Gruber-White:Jose Arce has joined the SPanish channel
Heidi Ullrich:Welcome, Jose!
Jose Arce:Hi all
Sylvia Herlein Leite:no, tks
sergio salinas porto:hi jose
Roosevelt King:hi
sergio salinas porto:hi roosevelt!!!!!!!!
Roosevelt King:hey sergio
Gisella Gruber-White:Baudoin has joined and that was his line - now muted
Roosevelt King:hope u enjoyed your birthday!!!
Yaovi Atohoun:Thank you CLO
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:My name is misspelt in the Agenda
Matt Ashtiani:ALAC Rules of Procedure Working Group - RULE 1 - DELEGATES Workspace - https://community.icann.org/x/FbXbAQ
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Thanks for correcting it and for the link
Matt Ashtiani::-)
Holly Raiche:Hi Matt
Holly Raiche:Onead of rationale, shouold that not be rationale?
Roosevelt King:rules require depth. Rules need not be complex but certainly explicit.
Roosevelt King:rules should also address contingencies.
Roosevelt King:leaving rules silent should always be avoided as far as possible.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:We need to minimise "loop holes" where possible
sergio salinas porto:agree whit tijiani ,)
Matt Ashtiani:@holly - where are you looking?
Matt Ashtiani:@holly - OH! i get it! let me take a look
Matt Ashtiani:correct you are, i will update now
Cintra Sooknanan:HARMonise (sharing harm?)
Cintra Sooknanan:lol
Holly Raiche:Hi Matt - I was looking at the page for Rule 1 - which has the word rational - does that ask whether the rule is rational? Which is why I think the word is rationale
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:more Harmonics than Harm
Heidi Ullrich:Apologies to the ES line, the interpretors could not make out what Fatimata was saying so could not interpret.
Matt Ashtiani:@holly - thanks for finding that mistake! i have updated all of the pages.
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Wow, that was quick editing, Matt
Matt Ashtiani:haha, i try!
Alan Greenberg:"Rules" may be outcome oriented leaving the details to the RALO.
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:These are things that will probably have to be discussed during the revisions [power sharing/governance/principles]
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:what in essence does At Large mean
Gisella Gruber-White 2:Fatima - over to you
Gisella Gruber-White 2:OK -
Roosevelt King:in rule 1.1 " The ALAC shall be comprised of two individuals..." "comprised of" should be changed to "composed of" Otherwise should read, " The ALAC shall comprise two individuals..."
Alan Greenberg:@Roosevelt: or change it so that we don't use words like "comprise" which are not well understood by all.
Eduardo Diaz:@Roosevelt: I suggest that you include these ideas directly into the wiki. That way everyone will see them moving forward.
Alan Greenberg:Hopefully we will come to a discssion of hw w go abut suggesting changes befoe the end of the meeting.
Roosevelt King:there are many grammar flaws in the rules
Cintra Sooknanan:Yep... I love rules :)
Cintra Sooknanan:lol
Fatimata:As suggested in the agenda, we could go from section and rules num and make modif suggestions where neede
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I* dropped SORYY
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I'm in via AC
Darlene Thompson:I have a hard stop at the top of the hour for the NARALO monthly call
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Or not
Gisella Gruber-White 2:@ Cheryl - we are dialling you as you still showed connected
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I agree with Alan
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:we have to be flexible enough to be redraft/restructure instead of limiting it to commenting on provisions
Fatimata:Can we think about a strategy to move forward?
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Can Adigo call me on 202.662.3303
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:my cell died
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:Alan mentioned that the same subject was found at 2 different places treated in different sections
Fatimata:+1 Alan but I suggest more participation. Instead of having one person making a corrected draft, can we have the section aloocated to regions
Eduardo Diaz:@all: That was my question
Fatimata:and set up a deadline to send drafts
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Since I cannot speak as I am not on the call, my comments are: we have to be flexible enough to be redraft/restructure instead of limiting it to commenting on provisions
Fatimata:please call me back
Gisella Gruber-White 2:yes
Gisella Gruber-White 2:@ Fatimata - we are dialling you now
Holly Raiche:Alan - I think we should aim for at least one person drawnng issues together - otherwise we will have difficulty arriving at one document
Gisella Gruber-White 2:@ Sala - got Voicemail for you
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:I agree Sala
Gisella Gruber-White 2:Fatimata is back
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:We may not be able to get back to you Fatimata so please put information re uypour comments here in chat OR in cpmment on the Wiki
Holly Raiche:Another issue - drawing themes together in one place is also what Alan was getting at
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:I would recommend starting with an illustration like a process map and then draft
natalia enciso:agree with @Sala too
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:it should be very simple
Olivier Crepin-Leblond:a MindMap? :-)
Heidi Ullrich:Matt and I will go to the NARALO call now.
Silvia Vivanco:Cherly could you please re-state the action item
Heidi Ullrich:Siliva and Gisella will stay on this call.
Eduardo Diaz:I like mind maps
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:no a process map
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:will comment more on the wiki
Darlene Thompson:I will be leaving for the NARALO meeting now, too
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Thank you Cheryl, moving to my next meeting
Eduardo Diaz:Gon eto NARALO - bye
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro:Goodbye all
Sylvia Herlein Leite:bye bye
Alan Greenberg:Bye all.
Maureen Hilyard:Bye everyone
Fatimata:Bye everyone
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Bye All!, Take care!
Jose Arce:Bye all
Sandra Hoferichter:bye
Fatima Cambronero:bye all
sergio salinas porto:bye all
Yaovi Atohoun:bye
natalia enciso:by
Fatimata:Thanks
Fatima Cambronero:thanks
Silvia Vivanco:Thank you. Bye
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Sorry we ran 3 mins over but we did start 4 mons late ;-)
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:mons = mins
Cintra Sooknanan:bye everyone
Roosevelt King:bye
Cintra Sooknanan:good job Cheryl
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: REMEMBER go visit EACH of the Rules pages ( and the new to be created 'bucket list' or cathc-All comment page
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:and DO please Watch the whole space
Cheryl Langdon-Orr: There will need to be a LOT of online activity week by week till Prague
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Thank you one and all
Dev Anand Teelucksingh:Indeed, Cheryl
Cheryl Langdon-Orr:Bye for Now
Heidi Ullrich:Thanks, All.