Attendees: 

Members:  David McAuley, Greg Shatan, Kavouss Arasteh, Kristina Rosette, Sam Eisner, Scott Austin, Susan Payne

Guests/Observers: Kate Wallace, Liz Le

ICANN Org: Brenda Brewer

Apologies: Becky Burr, Flip Petillion, Bernard Turcotte, Malcolm Hutty

** If your name is missing from attendance or apology, please send note to brenda.brewer@icann.org **


Agenda:

  1. Review agenda and updates to SOIs
  2. Review Action items:
    1. BT to circulate a Google Docs version of the a strawperson on “Rule 3 - Composition of the IRP Panel” – done: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qszAmJEZiQYYibn1KxOSp_1bNVjsg-Eo4fDUYQ6GhvA/edit?usp=sharing
    2. All to review and provide input (comments or suggestion mode, or via email list)
  3. Continued discussion of the Rule 3 strawperson
  4. Next Call 23 May 1900 UTC

Transcript: PDF

Recordings: 

Documents: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qszAmJEZiQYYibn1KxOSp_1bNVjsg-Eo4fDUYQ6GhvA/edit?usp=sharing

Zoom Chat Transcript:  

00:20:43    David McAuley (Verisign):    none here
00:49:16    Kristina Rosette:   It's possible I misunderstood them.
01:08:09    David McAuley (Verisign) (Observer):   Fair enough, Kristina. Appreciate your viewpoint.
01:11:15    Kristina Rosette:  Agree, Sam.
01:13:41    David McAuley (Verisign) (Observer):  I think the confusion may stem from 'expertise' being used in 4.3(J)(I) and 'skill and experience' in 4.3(K)(ii)
01:14:11    David McAuley (Verisign) (Observer):   4.3(J)(i) - thanks autocorrect
01:22:08    Kristina Rosette:   I don't disagree with that characterization, Susan, but I would note that we're missing two of our regular participants who are IRP practitioners.
01:23:54    Susan Payne:   yes  noted Kristina, so we will take this to the list
01:28:25    Scott Austin:   We have an extra "to be" in 1 at the end of line 1
01:31:44    David McAuley (Verisign) (Observer):   it's from 4.3(K)(ii) isn't it?
01:32:25    David McAuley (Verisign) (Observer):   I think Kavouss is stating the challenge of 4.3(K)(ii)
01:34:57    David McAuley (Verisign) (Observer):   I also agree w Greg and Kavouss on this point
01:36:07    Greg Shatan:    Sorry I haven’t been in the Google doc. I would like to set this Strawman on fire.
01:39:43    David McAuley (Verisign) (Observer):   The strawman filed its role of spurring vibrabnt discussion,. I submit the elegant solution to the mismatched verbiage between 4.3(J) and (K) is to have the ST. Pnl make a process and let them handle it - with 'skill' being read as 'expertise' and be done with this, and limit it as a litigation issue, a parenthetical one at that.
01:42:56    Scott Austin:    +1 David and let me know if the google doc is still to be used going forward or has been sacrificed on the pillar of fiery debate.
01:43:01    Kristina Rosette:   I appreciate your suggestion, David, but I have concerns about deferring entirely to Standing Panel.
01:44:02    Susan Payne:   the google doc/strawman still exists
01:44:50    Scott Austin:   +1 Kavous on Susan's effort
01:45:22    David McAuley (Verisign) (Observer):   Thanks Susan and Brenda. Brenda - do you know when we will hear about timing of meeting at ICANN 77?
01:45:35    Greg Shatan:   Capacity is the word used in Section (k)(ii). It’s fundamental to the whole situation.
01:46:07    Kristina Rosette:   I recognize the concerns Greg states, but I believe there must be a mechanism for the Claimant or ICANN to raise the concern/complaint/contention (or whatever we want to call it) about lack of skill and experience.  It must be a high hurdle for such a "complaint" to succeed. However, I think not having such a mechanism would make it easier for a party to prevail in subsequent litigation referenced by David.
01:46:41    Greg Shatan:   If there is sufficient CAPACITY, we don’t go outside the Standing Panel. That’s the rule we already have.
01:47:55    Kristina Rosette:   Thank you, all.
01:48:14    Scott Austin:    I took it to mean capacity of time available due to it being followed by "other IRP commitments";


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