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Identification of LACRALO translation issues
(this section is from a June 18 2012 email)
Dear David,
With the implementation of the custom machine translation tool for the Latin American and Caribbean Regional At-Large Organisation (LACRALO) mailing lists since mid last year (2011), several issues or factors continue to negatively impact the working of the machine translation tool and in turn, has lead to great difficulty in communication and collaboration with the English and Spanish speaking communities in the LAC region.
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To date, several issues have been detected
1) Attachments in emails sent to a list are not received on the other list.
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(a) First email posted to lac-discuss-en list : (b) which is translated and posted to lac-discuss-es list as: (c) Someone on the lac-discuss-es list responds posts to lac-discuss-es list as: (d) which is translated and posted to the en list as: |
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Another example: Email on lac-discuss-es list : http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-es/2012/004518.html |
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line: |
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[lac-discuss-es] |
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RES: |
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Alerta |
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de |
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Noticias |
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de |
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la |
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ICANN |
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- |
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Aviso |
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de |
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Prórroga |
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del |
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período |
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que |
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abarca |
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la |
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ICANN: |
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ICANN |
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FY13 |
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Proyecto |
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de |
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Plan |
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Operativo |
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y |
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Presupuesto |
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gets |
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translated |
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and |
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posted |
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as |
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an |
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on |
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lac-discuss-es |
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list: |
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http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2012/005897.html |
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line: |
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[lac-discuss-en] |
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Utf-8? |
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Q? |
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RES |
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3A_Alerta_de_Noticias_de_la_ICANN_? |
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Utf-8? |
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Q?-_Aviso_de_Pr |
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C3 |
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= |
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C3 |
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ADodo_que_abarca_la_ |
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B3rroga_del_per |
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=? |
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== |
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Utf-8? |
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Q? |
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ICANN |
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3A_ICANN_FY13_Proyecto_de_Plan_Operativo_y_Presupu |
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utf-8? |
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q? |
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this? |
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Note |
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the |
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difference |
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with |
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"Utf-8? |
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Q?" |
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in |
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this |
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example |
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as |
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compared |
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to |
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"Iso-8859-1? |
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Q?" |
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in |
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the |
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previous |
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example. |
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Such gibberish in the subject lines can get even worse if someone responds on the EN list and the translation further scrambles the subject line on the other list.
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Again, examples abound from a review of the archives but as one example, consider the subject line for an email on lac-discuss-es |
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list |
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http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-es/2012/004039.html |
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line: |
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[lac-discuss-es] |
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=? |
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Iso-8859-1? |
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Q? |
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Invitación |
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F3n_a_la_reuni |
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F3n_/_LAC? |
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Iso-8859-1? |
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Q? |
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RALO_Costa_Rica_Eventos_rueda_de_prensa_Grupo_de_Tr? |
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Iso-8859-1? |
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Q? |
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Abajo_el_martes_06_de_marzo_2012_a_las_20 |
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3A00_UTC? |
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which |
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gets |
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translated |
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and |
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posted |
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to |
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the |
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EN |
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list |
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as |
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http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2012/005357.html |
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line: |
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[lac-discuss-en] |
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=? |
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Iso-8859-1? |
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Q? |
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= |
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3D |
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3F_Iso-8859-1 |
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3F_Q |
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3F_Invitac? |
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Iso-8859-1? |
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Q? |
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I |
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= |
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F3n_ |
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3D_F3n |
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5FA |
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5Fla |
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5Freuni_ |
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3D_F3n |
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5F |
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/ |
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= |
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5FLAC |
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3F? |
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iso-8859-1? |
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q? |
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= |
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3D |
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3D_Iso-8859-1 |
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3F_Q |
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3F_RALO |
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5FCosta |
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5FRica |
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5FEv? |
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iso-8859-1? |
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q |
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? |
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ents |
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5Frueda |
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5Fde |
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5Fprensa |
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5FGrupo |
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5Fde |
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5FTr |
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3F_? |
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iso-8859-1? |
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q? |
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3D |
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3D_Iso-8859-1 |
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3F_Q |
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3F_Abajo |
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5Fel |
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5Fmartes |
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5F06 |
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=? |
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iso-8859-1? |
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q? |
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5Fde |
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5Fmarzo |
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5F2012 |
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5FA |
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5Flas |
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5F20_ |
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3D_3A00 |
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5FUTC? |
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iso-8859-1? |
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q? |
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3F_ |
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3D? |
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3)
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Missing
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[lac-discuss-es]
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in
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subject
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lines
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of
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translated
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emails
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posted
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to
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the
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lac-discuss-es
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list
Consider example #1 again -
First email posted to lac-discuss-en
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list
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Email:
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http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2012/005932.html
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Subject
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line:
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[lac-discuss-en]
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ICANN
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full
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list
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of
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applied
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for
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gTLD
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strings
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which
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is
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translated
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and
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posted
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to
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lac-discuss-es
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list
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as:
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Email:
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http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-es/2012/004552.html
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Subject
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line:
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Lista
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completa
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de
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la
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ICANN
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solicitó
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cadenas
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de
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gTLD
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The
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at
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http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-es/2012/004552.html
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shows
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that
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the
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subject
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line
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is
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missing
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the
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[lac-discuss-es].
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This
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hampers
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filtering
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by
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ES
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users
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and
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makes
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it
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difficult
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to
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track
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threaded
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conversations
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4)
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Unusual
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superscript
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and
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other
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odd
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characters
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in
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translated
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emails
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There
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have
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been
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numerous
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complaints
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about
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the
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quality
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of
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the
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translation
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of
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the
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actual
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body
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of
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emails
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with
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strange
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characters,
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some
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of
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which
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are
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superscript
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characters
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appearing
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in
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the
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translated
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version.
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Examples
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aboud
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(repeating
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phrase,
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I'm
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afraid)
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on
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the
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LACRALO
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list
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archives,
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here
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is
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one
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example:
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Email
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to
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lac-discuss-en
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http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2012/005858.html
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got
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translated
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to
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this
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on
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the
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lac-discuss-es
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list:
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http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-es/2012/004483.html
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As
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you
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can
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see,
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*
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a
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character
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like
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a
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double
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quote
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"
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is
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translated
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to
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"
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*
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a
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word
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like
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"organisation"
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is
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translated
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to
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organización
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a
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sentence
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like
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"The
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highest
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decision
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making
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body
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in
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any
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organisation
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is
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also
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subject
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to
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rules."
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is
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translated
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to
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"El
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más
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alto
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órgano
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de
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decisión
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en
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cualquier
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la
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organización
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también
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está
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sujeto
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a
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reglas."
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This is a summary of the key issues affecting the machine translation of emails in LACRALO. I hope to have the opportunity to chat with you in Prague
and trust the identification of the issues in this email is sufficient to clarify the problems so that solutions can be developed.
Kind Regards,
Dev Anand Teelucksingh
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