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Claudia Ruiz: (4/4/2019 14:36) Welcome to the LACRALO Governance Working Group Call on Thursday, 04 April 2019 at 23:00 UTC

  Claudia Ruiz: (14:37) https://community.icann.org/x/YhlIBg

  Cristian Casas Lacralo: (15:50) buenas niches

  sergio salinas porto: (15:52) Hola a todos!

  Adrian Carballo ( Fund, Incluirme): (15:55) Hola a todos y todas

  José Francisco Arce: (15:58) Hola a todos

  Silvia Vivanco: (15:58) Hola a todos

  Silvia Vivanco: (15:58) Welcome all

  José Francisco Arce: (15:58) Hola Silvia

  Silvia Vivanco: (15:58) Hola Francisco

  Silvia Vivanco: (15:58) Jose !

  sergio salinas porto: (15:58) hola José!!!!!

  sergio salinas porto: (15:59) Hola cristian!

  José Francisco Arce: (15:59) Hello Presi !!!

  sergio salinas porto: (15:59) Hola cristian!

  sergio salinas porto: (16:00) ja salio dos veces lo de cristian

  sergio salinas porto: (16:00) hola Adrian

  sergio salinas porto: (16:00) Bienvenida Laura

  sergio salinas porto: (16:00) Ricardio un gusto verte!

  Laura Margolis: (16:00) hola a todos! gracias!

  sergio salinas porto: (16:00) Hi Dev!!!! a

  Ricardo Holmquist: (16:01) gracias Sergio

  sergio salinas porto: (16:01) Hi Haroun!

  Ricardo Holmquist: (16:01) buenas noches a todos

  Cristian Casas Lacralo: (16:01) hola Sergio y a todos

  Laura Margolis: (16:01) feliz cumpleaños Adrian 😊

  José Francisco Arce: (16:02) Feliz cumple Adrian !!!

  Alberto Soto: (16:02) Hola a todos, hello everyone!

  sergio salinas porto: (16:02) hey otro ariano? Yo los cumplo el Lunes!!!!! Feliz cumple adrian

  Laura Margolis: (16:02) hola!

  sergio salinas porto: (16:02) Hola Alberto

  Ricardo Holmquist: (16:02) Feliz cumpleaños Adrian

  sergio salinas porto: (16:03) Hola Lilian!!!!!

  Lilian Ivette De Luque: (16:03) Hola a todos

  Lilian Ivette De Luque: (16:03) nuevamente un feliz cumpleaños adrian

  Alberto Soto: (16:04) Alas 22 UTC tengo que ir a cocinar...

  Harold Arcos: (16:04) Buenas tardes noches desde la fresca Caracas!!

  Harold Arcos: (16:04) disculpen la conexión tardía,,,

  Cristian Casas Lacralo: (16:05) feliz cumple Adrián

  Harold Arcos: (16:05) Feliz Cumpleaños Adrian!! feliz vuelta al Sol

  Adrian Carballo ( Fund, Incluirme): (16:05) Les agradezco los saludos!

  Harold Arcos: (16:05) estoy conectando a través de AC mientras intentamos vía telefónica,,,

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (16:06) Cartlon is on the EN channel

  Claudia Ruiz: (16:06) Welcome Carlton Samuels

  Silvia Vivanco: (16:06) Welcome to Dev and Carlton

  Silvia Vivanco: (16:08) The document Operating Principles is linked to today's agenda in 4 languages

  Claudia Ruiz: (16:08) Welcome Humberto Carrasco

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (16:08) For the record, it was Lance who asked for it to be on the agenda

  Silvia Vivanco: (16:08) El document Principios Operativos esta en la agenda de hoy en los 4 idiomas

  Harold Arcos: (16:09) Versiones PT, FR aquí: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=84216695

  Silvia Vivanco: (16:10) https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/2019+ALAC+and+RALO+Elections%2C+Selections+and+Appointments

  Harold Arcos: (16:10) FR: Principes opérationnels de la LACRALOPT: Princípios Operacionais da LACRALO

  Silvia Vivanco: (16:11) si te escuchamos

  Silvia Vivanco: (16:11) habla fuerte Humberto

  José Francisco Arce: (16:11) Creo que hay que empezar con el borrador de las reglas  nuevas lo antes posible.  Los principios sin las reglas no significan nada

  sergio salinas porto: (16:12) +1 jose

  Harold Arcos: (16:14) +1 @Jose

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (16:14) Carlton wants to speak

  José Francisco Arce: (16:14) @Dev, el tema es que las reglas siempre traen confusion. Es la oportunidad de traer claridad y certeza

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (16:15) @Jose - coming up with a temporary rules is worse

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (16:15) And there is nothing in the rules that blocks the implemention of the operating principles

  José Francisco Arce: (16:16) @Dev, ok lets go to work on it ASAP

  Harold Arcos: (16:16) I agreed with @Carlton, we don't have a Rules of Procedures.

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (16:16) Otherwise we should not have approved the operating principles if we were not going to implement it

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (16:17) The Rules of Procedure are not invalid

  sergio salinas porto: (16:18) +1 Humberto

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (16:18) What inconsistency do you see ?

  José Francisco Arce: (16:18) Agreed Humberto

  Alberto Soto: (16:18) +1 Humberto

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (16:18) That's not so Humberto

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (16:19) What clauses in the ROP affects the implementation of the new OP ?

  Harold Arcos: (16:19) @Humberto, un texto como lo que acabas de decir?: Hasta que las nuevas Reglas de Procedimiento sean aprobadas por LACRALO seguirán vigentes las anteriores Reglas de Procedimientos.

  Carlton Samuels: (16:19) The question is how do we have a constitutional election?  We have new Operating Principles and old RoP.  Any temporary RoP MUST undergo the same process to become constitutional; decision by the memebership to adopt.

  Alberto Soto: (16:19) No tengo linea

  sergio salinas porto: (16:20) ya te van a llamra alberto

  Harold Arcos: (16:20) Humberto, a text like what you just said?: Until the new Rules of Procedure are approved by LACRALO, the previous Operating Principles and Rules of Procedures will remain in force.

  Humberto Carrasco: (16:22) espera sergio

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (16:22) exactly have the election under our OP with our RoP

  José Francisco Arce: (16:22) @Carlton It is not about whether it is constitutional or not. But it is a question of value, a new vision. Be consistent with the vision

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (16:22) which is the chair, chair elect

  José Francisco Arce: (16:22) What can go wrong?

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (16:23) @Jose - we are setting aside the new OP because someone doesn't like it

  Alberto Soto: (16:23) Estoy con mi celular, pyueden darme la palabra?

  sergio salinas porto: (16:23) Hasta que las nuevas Reglas de Procedimiento sean aprobadas por LACRALO seguirán vigentes los anteriores Principios Operativos y Reglas de Procedimientos.

  José Francisco Arce: (16:24) @Dev, I can not see the point

  José Francisco Arce: (16:24) can you clarify me

  Cristian Casas Lacralo: (16:24) una norma de transición lo veo muy bien Sergio

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (16:24) Essentially, we are saying don't use the OP because we don't want to

  Harold Arcos: (16:24) yo primero,,

  Harold Arcos: (16:24) dale Alberto!!

  José Francisco Arce: (16:25) @Dev, no, does not the point, please.

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (16:25) But that what Sergio is proposing

  José Francisco Arce: (16:26) I see, but what Sergio said is only an alternative, but only with the consensus of LACRALO

  José Francisco Arce: (16:26) Is just to try to overcame a gap

  José Francisco Arce: (16:27) A gap of two vision

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (16:27) There is no gap

  Cristian Casas Lacralo: (16:27) es perfecto una norma de transición

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (16:27) There is nothing in our RoP from conducting the election as specified in the OP calling for new positions and rotation

  Humberto Carrasco: (16:28) yo tengo una idea. Podemos someter a votación dos propuestas a.- Aplicar solo las normas del artículo 12 y del artículo 20 de las actuales reglas de procedimiento a los nuevos principios operativos. La segunda opción podría ser utilizar los antiguos principios y antiguas reglas de procedimiento con la norma transtoria propuesta por Sergio.

  Humberto Carrasco: (16:28) I have an idea. We can vote on two proposals a.- Apply only the rules of article 12 and article 20 of the current rules of procedure to the new operating principles. The second option could be to use the old principles and old rules of procedure with the transitory norm proposed by Sergio.

  José Francisco Arce: (16:28) The current rules of procedure (current and valid) were not intended for these operational principles, that the gap that I see

  Cristian Casas Lacralo: (16:29) con Humberto y Sergiocoincido

  Carlton Samuels: (16:29) @Jose: Yes, that is correct!

  Harold Arcos: (16:30) Nueva Mano

  Alberto Soto: (16:30) No estoy de acuerdo con tu primera propuesta Humberto, si con la segunda

  Harold Arcos: (16:30) No veo coherente esta nueva propuesta @Humberto

  Harold Arcos: (16:32) Segunda Opción del Párrafo de @Humberto sí estoy de acuerdo. "The second option could be to use the old principles and old rules of procedure with the transitory norm proposed by Sergio."

  Alberto Soto: (16:33) Dev.no could have worked and approved the two together.

  Carlton Samuels: (16:33) @Humberto: Fundamentally, the RoP now in place is is not totally incompatible with the new Operating Principles

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (16:33) @Alberto - that could take several years again

  Alberto Soto: (16:34) Aún no habríamos aprobado nada.  We would not have approved anything yet.

  Carlton Samuels: (16:34) @Sergio, can I ask the old ROP pertaining to elections be read into the record?

  Claudia Ruiz: (16:34) Welcome Bartlett Morgan

  Alberto Soto: (16:36) No Dev, the time will be very short if you participate in the WG. Problems occur when you want to make changes after not having participated and everything is defined

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (16:36) @Alberto - We took two years with assistnace from ICANN directly involved

  Alberto Soto: (16:37) Sorry my Enclish Dev... If all pariticipate... Sorry

  Cristian Casas Lacralo: (16:37) se puede Sergio y trabajaremos con mahor tranquilidad sin pensar en las elecciones

  Silvia Vivanco: (16:37) @ Carlton: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=49352819

  Silvia Vivanco: (16:37) ROPs link above

  Harold Arcos: (16:37) Dear @Dev, We elaborated the Operating Principles during a process of historical Mediation for the Region. We are all moving towards a joint working Horizon. Laws, norms, MoUs are signed and then progress is made towards the ways to materialize them. I insist that we are not innovating, the transitory article always exists in every document that comes from an evolution of another previous document.

  Carlton Samuels: (16:38) Thank you Silvia

  José Francisco Arce: (16:38) +1 Carlton: Lets read the RoP

  Cristian Casas Lacralo: (16:38) la norma transitoria habilitan el trabajl de reglas de procedimientos

  sergio salinas porto: (16:41) baja la mano harold

  Alberto Soto: (16:41) I in the wiki Sergio

  Harold Arcos: (16:41) así es @Cristian,,,la norma habilita y da espacio para el trabajo siguiente..

  Silvia Vivanco: (16:41) Carlton kindly clarify what needs to be read out

  Silvia Vivanco: (16:41) and I will post the relevant rule and read it

  Claudia Ruiz: (16:41) Welcome Lance Hinds

  Harold Arcos: (16:42) Welcome @Lance

  Humberto Carrasco: (16:42) @Carlton, I understand and I think that could be possible. However, My opinion is that LACRALO should approve it

  Alberto Soto: (16:45) Alguien puede pedir que se apliquen otros acticulos  del los antiguas Reglas de Procedimiento con los nuevos Principios Operativos.

  Alberto Soto: (16:46) No se puede aplicar parcialmente...

  Cristian Casas Lacralo: (16:47)  y esoprimero fijamos los objetivos principios y después se reglamentsn

  Alberto Soto: (16:47) dejamosmuchas cosas de reglamentación pedientes para que queden claros los Principios Operativos.

  Harold Arcos: (16:47) El punto que plantéa @Alberto es muy importante,,,The Pov of @Alberto is key: guien puede pedir que se apliquen otros acticulos  del los antiguas Reglas de Procedimiento con los nuevos Principios Operativos.

  Cristian Casas Lacralo: (16:47) Coincido Sergio

  Harold Arcos: (16:48) @Alberto comment:  Someone may request that other articles of the old Rules of Procedure apply with the new Operating Principles.

  Alberto Soto: (16:48) El artciulo transitorio deja en claro lo que se dijo desde el primer dia de la mediación en los Angeles. Primero los Principios Operativos para luego poder generar Las r

  Alberto Soto: (16:48) reglas de Procedimiento

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (16:49) Again, Sergio - there is nothing preventing the implementaton of the new OP -

  Harold Arcos: (16:49) @Alberto comment: The transitory article makes clear what was said from the first day of the mediation in Los Angeles. First the Operational Principles to be able to generate the Rules of Procedure.

  Alberto Soto: (16:49) dev is a parcialaplication

  Alberto Soto: (16:49) partial aplicattion

  Lilian Ivette De Luque: (16:51) debo dejar la reunión tengo otro compromiso, exitos feliz noche

  Alberto Soto: (16:51) Chau Oily!!

  Alberto Soto: (16:51) Lily!!

  Ricardo Holmquist 2: (16:51) igualmente, debo dejar la reunion

  Ricardo Holmquist 2: (16:51) saludos a todos

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (16:52) I think we should hold the elections with the new principles -

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (16:52) and not attempt to subvert them

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (16:52) which I feel some in LACRALO want to do

  Alberto Soto: (16:54) Whit consesus Dev, me too

  Silvia Vivanco: (16:54) gracias Ricardo

  Cristian Casas Lacralo: (16:54) buenas noches debo dejar la reunión

  Silvia Vivanco: (16:54) Gracias Cristian

  Humberto Carrasco: (16:54) I am sorry, I have to leave the meeting / Lo siento, tengo que dejar la reunión.

  Humberto Carrasco: (16:55) buens noches

  Silvia Vivanco: (16:55) gracias Humberto

  Harold Arcos: (16:55) Gracias @Humberto por los importantes aportes,,

  Harold Arcos: (16:55) Saludos

  Cristian Casas Lacralo: (16:55) te y debemos continuar reflexionando y dialogandoes un temaapasionan

  Alberto Soto: (16:55) Hasta el miercoles Sergio?

  Silvia Vivanco: (16:56) We can schedule the call same day next Thursday 11 at 23 UTC

  Alberto Soto: (16:56) Me tengo que ir a cocinar!!!

  Carlton Samuels: (16:56) @Sergio: Can I ask for  the temporary rule to be placed here?

  Harold Arcos: (16:56) thanks @Silvia,,,Kindly I request a new doodle,,

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (16:57) Since there are no action items recorded

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (16:57) Lance wants to speak

  Alberto Soto: (16:57) I have to go cook!

  Harold Arcos: (16:57) @Alberto invita!

  Harold Arcos: (16:57) Lance wants to speak

  sergio salinas porto: (16:58) transitory article: Until the new Rules of Procedure are approved by LACRALO, the previous Operating Principles and Rules of Procedures will remain in force.

  Harold Arcos: (16:58) Very important reminder @Lance!

  Harold Arcos: (16:59) Proposed Transitory Article: Until the new Rules of Procedure are approved by LACRALO, the previous Operating Principles and Rules of Procedures will remain in force.

  José Francisco Arce: (17:00) The question is whether or not it is consistent with the vision taken when approving the operating principles. If there is good faith in the process, the result of both must be the same.

  Carlton Samuels: (17:00) @Sergio: SO the request is to suspend the new Operating Principles and do the election under the old RoP and Operating Principles?

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (17:00) Bartlett

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (17:00) Bartlett wants to speak

  José Francisco Arce: (17:02) The disagreement is for fear? What could happend?

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (17:02) Well said Bartlett and Lance

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (17:03) fully concur

  Carlton Samuels: (17:03) @Bartlett: +1

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (17:05) There is a solution - run the election with the new operating principles

  Lance Hinds: (17:06) Correct Dev.

  sergio salinas porto: (17:06) +1

  Dev Anand Teelucksingh: (17:07) There is no problem other than what some want to revert to the old operating principles for some reason

  sergio salinas porto: (17:07) con Harold recordando lo dicho por alberto

  Alberto Soto: (17:07) Debo dejar la reunion, I live the mteeting... Saludos!! Regards!!!

  Carlton Samuels: (17:07) In the common law we have something called forebearance. The regulations can be suspecnded for the larger public interestgoal.  If we agree on the principles we can run the elections based on the principles.

  Silvia Vivanco: (17:08) the call invite will be sent for a call next week Thursday at 23 UTC

  Carlton Samuels: (17:08) Thank yopu all!  There is a way forward

  Harold Arcos: (17:08) thank you very much for active participation,,,

  Harold Arcos: (17:08) thanks our interpreters!!! thanks Staff Team,,,,

  Adrian Carballo ( Fund, Incluirme): (17:08) Buenas noches

  Harold Arcos: (17:09) Buenas noches

  José Francisco Arce: (17:09) Saludos