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Slides: WT2 Meeting 4
Notes/Actions:
1. Terms and Conditions of Applying for a TLD: Discussion around adding this topic
Action Items:
- Staff will provide a first cut of the comments on module 6 of the AGB.
- Staff will look at the Requests for Reconsideration from the 2012 round, and IRPs from the 2012 round.
Discussion Notes:
Questions:
- Is this in the scope of the PDP WG?
- Does this belong in WT2?
- Is this a policy aspect or an implementation of ICANN or hybrid
- What reference material is there -- AGB Module 6: https://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/agb/terms.
- In the event of tackling this subject, what recommendations could be made from a policy standpoint?
- Are the Terms and Conditions for described in the AGB enforceable?
Jeff Neuman:
- Became an issue recently when addressed in the court case involving .africa -- alleged fraudulent or willfull misconduct.
- Serious questions raised whether the broad waiver or release of any and all claims is enforceable.
- Case is on appeal.
- Broad release seems to not be favored in California courts.
- How to allow applicants to exercise their right to judicial review?
- Jim Prendergast: I would also ask - did the community have input into the T&Cs or the ability to suggest changes to them? Seems like everyone was focused on modules 1-5. I’m not sure anyone every commented on module 6.
- Jeff Neuman: Everyone could provide input but not sure how much ICANN accepted.
Michael Flemming:
- Seems to be an implementation aspect.
- Need to look back at comments and how they were dealt with.
- Rubens Kuhl: Re: whether in scope -- the list in the charter is a starting point and the WG can supplement the list provided the topic is directly related to new gTLD subsequent procedures, which it is.
- Berry Cobb: Another vector for the group to monitor/consider is the changes to Request for Reconsideration and eventual release of the updated IRP as a result of the CCWG Accountability work. It did not specifically touch upon what these mean for subsequent rounds/procedures, but it will be changing in the future.
- Michael Flemming: Do we need to change the charter?
- Jeff Neuman: I don't think we need to go back to the Council for permission or to change the charter.
- Michael Flemming: Take into consideration Requests for Reconsideration. We agree that this is in scope and we can add it to our issues.
- Steve Chan: It is part of AGB so it is in scope. Not necessary to send anything to Council.
- Jeff Neuman: We shouldn't engage in legal drafting of what we think the Terms and Conditions should be, but look at the policy.
- Rubens Kuhl: What we could say at a policy level would be "Have T's&C's to reduce ICANN liability to the minimum level allowed by ICANN Bylaws, California law and US law".
- Steve Chan: Look at comments received to the AGB and interpretation of those comments.
- Rubens Kuhl: Also Requests for Reconsideration from the 2012 round and lawsuits.
- Rubens Kuhl: Two stress tests I suggest to T&C is the TAS issues that occurred, (1) freezing the application process (2) data leak.
2. Base Registry Agreement: Continued high level discussion and what we have been discussing over the mailing list.
Action Items:
- Sub Team members should provide additional pros and cons.
- Michael Flemming will send an email to the list asking for a volunteers to set up a sub team from this WT sub team for anyone who thinks there should be a separate agreement for a category. The sub team would go through the registry agreement provision-by-provision and say this is why we need a new brand agreement, because these provisions don't apply to the brand.
Discussion Notes:
Questions:
- Does a single base agreement make sense for all types of registries?
- Do we as a group support the notion of having separate agreements for separate categories? For categories -- see: the Google Doc at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mA_hTUhLhJSsfcmoQwREtUqxykZ5KfJffzJAAhEvNlA/edit#gid=0.
- Rubens Kuhl: I would also add "Sponsored TLDs", which although being a twin brother of Community TLDs, have different regulatory framework.
- Raymond Zylstra - Neustar: Question - Is reviewing 'categories' part of this WT? Or is it just if a single agreement makes sense?
- Jeff Neuman: Overall categories is being considered in the full PDP WG.
Pros and Cons re Single Base Agreement: See the Google Doc at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k1HrFIjwzupuJqr33WmGmBUD45SQ5Cv1-vNP7ZRztPk/edit (pros are for a single base agreement; cons are why it is good to have different agreements)
- Raymond Zylstra - Neustar: Another Consideration: 1 Size Fits All vs. 2 Sizes Fits All – Introducing version(s) of the Registry Agreement may just change the problem. Within categories of TLDs there will still be differing business models.
- Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry): I have a clarifying question: Does "different base agreement" mean (a) a completely different base agreement for every category; (b) a standard base agreement with additional specifications that differ (like Specification 13); or (c) something else entirely? (If the answer is (c), please elaborate). Thanks.
- Jeff Neuman: I don't think we are making a determination yet.
- Michael Flemming: One idea is to have one agreement and then how it deviates for each category.
- Rubens Kuhl: Note that we already have two different agreements at the 2012-round, and it's not based on specifications... it's the governmental and standard versions of the agreement. Spec 9 - Code of Conduct (not applied for exclusive use TLDs and for Brand TLDs) Spec 12 - Community TLDs Spec 13-Brand TLDs.
- Jeff Neuman: Proposal -- Dealing with this issue in the abstract, which is hard to do. Set up a sub team from this WT sub team for anyone who thinks there should be a separate agreement for a category and go through the registry agreement provision-by-provision and say this is why we need a new brand agreement, because these provisions don't apply to the brand.
- Michael Flemming: Have them make their case.
- Jeff Neuman: Looking for specific areas that you feel don't apply to your category or group, or additional provisions that should be in there.
- Raymond Zylstra - Neustar: Question ‘What is the outcome of the ‘Scope of Work’? What is it that we working towards delivering?’
- Michael Flemming: Make the recommendation of whether or not there should be category-based agreements. Should come back to this discussion by a certain date.
- Gg Levine (NABP): Wouldn't it be simpler to keep single base agreement and then fine-tune specs per catagory? Multiple specs might apply to applicants.. Doesn't make sense to have separate agreements.
- Michael Flemming: I can send an email concerning Jeff's proposal.
- Jeff Neuman: See if there is a volunteer from this group to move this forward. Give people 5 days to say if they want to participate. Schedule a call.
- Michael Flemming: Rather allow 2 weeks.
- Jeff Neuman: I can reach out to Martin/Cecilia (from the BRG) and relay this conversation.