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Sandra Hoferichter: Thank you.
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You have concrete \ [inaudible 10:50\] finally facilitated for lectures and also with other students and be able to really immerse without the distractions and I see the European model is a perfect model for face-to-face when you're looking at site options. And I would recommend the Pre-ICANN Meeting model so that people can use their leanings for actual ICANN. And I thank you Sandra for leaving that in, the \ [inaudible 11:27\] request to broaden the scope a little bit.
I know it's a bit too late in the day to accept already the budget and I quite understand that, even so from RO LACs. And I know there has been some discussions, as the previous ALAC call, in shaping the mailing list and maybe when we're developing, I don't attend to get ahead of myself in terms of agenda, but also inline the thing that we are allowing room for. unmigrated-wiki-markup
If we could go through it once we're developing curriculum, that sort of thing, all \ [inaudible 12:10\] in the possibilities that we're not going to be developing the 20 hour of face-to-face, but something that can be generally used as resource packages for other mechanisms aside from face-to-face. And And that's it Sandra from me.
Sandra Hoferichter: Thank you Sala. Any other comments? Okay, so then I would take Olivier's point and will ask for evaluation of a formal vote if you agree that the ICANN Subcommittee would submit this proposal to ICANN Finance. Olivier you raise your hand.
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Avri Doria: I seem to be the dissenting voice on on-site versus off-site and the more I think about it the more I prefer it on-site especially giving the nature of the planning. First of all we are certain that by and large you're not mixing with the group, I mean with the meeting coming in. There may be a few people there and there certainly is event staff there, but that's about all that's there before the Friday and I'm assuming that's when this will be ending. unmigrated-wiki-markup
You know it's certainly on a Friday than the people for the GNSO weekend and other people from \ [inaudible 18:02\] start coming in. But on the three days before that, the Wednesday, Thursday, and into the Friday, the only people that are really there our staff and people setting up so I don't think that the thing we worry about, about being in a separate place where we can interact with each other, is a problem. Second, in terms of using staff employees and in terms of wanting some of the senior people, some of those that can tell you about the upcoming meetings during those days are more likely to be at the venue.
Some of your specialist teachers you may have better access to them from there. Thirdly it offers and the social context and opportunity to mingle with some of those staffers who want to be off-site with you but are critical resource to any new leader, knowing them, and having met them face-to-face, lifted a drink and told a joke, is a strong part of the introduction for new leaders. So, that's why the more I think about it the more in favor I am of certainly temporally displaced, but in the same place people are there, they settle in, they train, they talk, they discuss, and then they merge into the meeting without an abrupt interruption. Thank you.
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Well, let's see, I think this is not up to the budget. It is not entirely in our hands anymore I'm afraid. Salanieta was the next to raise her hand. Salanieta please?unmigrated-wiki-markup
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro: Yes, very quickly. In terms of having it off-site in Pre ICANN, the other thing also to consider which you have a full on engagement with each other and with the faculty and I'm \ [inaudible 20:59\] that the quality department, meaning ICANN, will be sending their staff and this is a critical time. And I think building it and understanding nurturing relationships will only be heightened once we all get into the actual ICANN Meeting. So, if we were to hold it on-site I just feel were little bit \ [inaudible 21:35\] as it will be people off-site and then to have the opportunity to \ [inaudible 21:41\], ICANN team, that sort of thing. unmigrated-wiki-markup
I think it's critical at this stage giving the complexity of the ICANN and the diversity of the various technical policies an environment which doesn't have any distractions is critical and they will have to interact with the various \ [inaudible 22:02\] and once they move on-site \[[inaudible 22:05\]. Just those comments, thank you.
Sandra Hoferichter: Thank you Salanieta. I had to have people in the world so Olivier Crepin is next. Olivier please?
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Sandra Hoferichter: Thank you Olivier and yes I agree in terms of the availability of staff and will we have to see what happens now. Tijani, you raised your hand? Please, Tijani.
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Sandra Hoferichter: Thank you Tijani. So, I take more or less as agreed or have --
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Sandra Hoferichter: Carlos okay.unmigrated-wiki-markup
Carlos Aguirre: Sorry, I have no internet access so I have some comments. In relation to what Avri said and you said, off-site or on-site I have no preference. I agree with you that with on-site it's important that the most economic way is important to. If we have a facility I have no problem. It serves the venues, great. I don't know. I suppose this site. The other side three days is good, 20 hours is good, a half day I don't there is \[inaudible 27:37\] there. It's a good time to \[inaudible 27:41\] the course. Aguirre: Sorry, I have no internet access so I have some comments. In relation to what Avri said and you said, off-site or on-site I have no preference. I agree with you that with on-site it's important that the most economic way is important to. If we have a facility I have no problem. It serves the venues, great. I don't know. I suppose this site. The other side three days is good, 20 hours is good, a half day I don't there is [inaudible 27:37] there. It's a good time to [inaudible 27:41] the course.
And I have some questions because through the course immediately before the ICANN Meeting we need to take account, for instance, gentle work two days before ICANN Meetings, a full day. So, the newcomers or new member [inaudible 28:22] impossible to attract, this was the thing to consider I Wiki Markup
Sandra Hoferichter: Okay, thank you Carlos. Indeed you are right. GNSO starts on Saturday already, please correct me if I’m wrong and we discussed this with ICANN staff already. Avri says, "Yes before has to mean Wednesday, Friday," exactly. That's what I was going to say. If you talk about before an ICANN meeting we are talking about Wednesday to Friday and the question is we take one day --
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Sandra Hoferichter: Okay, then I see Sala has raised her hand. Sala please?unmigrated-wiki-markup
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro: Thank you Sandra. I'm just wondering would it be possible to have it from Tuesday to Friday because I know three days is going to be very intense giving the diverse issues and the diverse things that we'd like to \ [inaudible 31:02\] and that sort of thing.
Sandra Hoferichter: If this was a question I didn't understand it because it was very noisy on the line Sala. Was it a question or a comment?
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Sandra Hoferichter: No, we are only talking about three days and if we can manage to get a half day for a wrap-up then we have three and a half, but if we can't manage this and we have to cut this from the budget then it's let's say two and a half days or two days off-site or Pre-ICANN Meeting and one day as a wrap-up. We have to stick to three days. There's no way of extension.
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Sandra Hoferichter: Okay, Olivier you raised your hand.
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Sandra Hoferichter: Thank you Olivier, any other comments? Okay, Carlos do you have a comment on this because I know you are not on the chat?on this because I know you are not on the chat?
Carlos Aguirre: No, I have no comment but I think again Olivier and Tijani I consider it very [inaudible 40:12] with translations and interpretation. Thank Wiki Markup
Sandra Hoferichter: Thank you Carlos. So then I can take this as more or less agreed that language diversity which was not foreseen in the budget should not be offered during this face-to-face ICANN Academy. Tijani you raised your hand?. Tijani you raised your hand?
Tijani Ben Jemaa: Yes, Sandra. Perhaps we can do something for the diversity. We can provide the whole training material in at least three languages, so that people can at least have the [inaudible 40:54] in several languages. Thank Wiki Markup
Sandra Hoferichter: That's a good idea. That's a good point. I just took note of this. Okay, so then I'll like to move on to the next very important point, drafting curriculum. Unfortunately I haven't got any answer on the email I sent to you the middle of January. I don't know if some of you we remember where I was proposing that in order to work on the curriculum to setup a Staff Working Group. I know we have many real academic experts in our group.
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Sandra Hoferichter: Okay point taken Avri, thank you. Salanieta you are next.unmigrated-wiki-markup
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro: Yes, very quickly. I think in terms of the language diversity option I would like us to suspend a discussion from any language diversity and seek instructions from the RALOs which we represent in relation to language diversity and \ [inaudible 45:11\]. Although I respect that we're notified that you combine English you combine \ [inaudible 45:20\] language and I think also that it has to be made as to what location this is coming out of. It's \ [inaudible 45:29\] or is it something that involves other constituencies and whether it's coming out of other \ [inaudible 45:36\] budget. unmigrated-wiki-markup
But if it's in relation to and the At-Large community with which and of whom we represent and whose interest we undertake to look out for and I think it's critical that we don't marginalize and of course we can look at other means and ways to discuss the language diversity. And I would like to propose something Sandra that we should have a separate meeting after we've taken instructions just to talk about the language diversity aspects of it and it shouldn't be restricted to discussions with other matters into it. It's a very critical thing in my view and \ [inaudible 46:25\].
Sandra Hoferichter: Thank you Sala and before I answer I see there is a long queue and I'd like to Olivier the floor please. Olivier?
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: Thank you very much Sandra, it's Olivier for the transcript. Sala I'm really sorry, I think you might be confusing capacity building in the Academy.unmigrated-wiki-markup
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro: First of all Olivier I'm not confusing it with capacity building when I'm talking about the translation \ [inaudible 47:03\] from the on-site face-to-face and I want to read the fairness of material options as in terms of the material having been translated. I understand the \ [inaudible 47:14\] Olivier. We all commented across the room, but I'm restricting my comments to the face-to-face.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: The problem Sala is that the people who are going to go to the Academy I think will be 15 people each year coming to the Academy and the only aim of the Academy is to prepare those people for the leadership positions that they're going to take at ICANN. So, it's not something that will be extended to people who are not going to take leadership positions at ICANN and the bylaws mandate, and this is something which we've discussed on several occasions in the past, that you need to be able to express yourself in English, to read English, to function, to work in English.
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Sandra Hoferichter: Thank you Avri. Wolf is next in the row. Wolf please?unmigrated-wiki-markup
Wolf Ludwig: I think we are now sliding away by discussing options which are beyond the discussion from the very beginning. I think the proposal which is on the workspace is rather clear in target groups in that it's all ICANN. It's an At-Large \[inaudible 52:41\]. It's coming from At-Large, but it's not addressed purely to At-Large people, but including all of the ICANN constituencies etc. and it's clearly focused on newly selected ICANN leadership. It says 15 to 20 people who are annually selected by NomCom or by the support organization or advisory committees. Ludwig: I think we are now sliding away by discussing options which are beyond the discussion from the very beginning. I think the proposal which is on the workspace is rather clear in target groups in that it's all ICANN. It's an At-Large [inaudible 52:41]. It's coming from At-Large, but it's not addressed purely to At-Large people, but including all of the ICANN constituencies etc. and it's clearly focused on newly selected ICANN leadership. It says 15 to 20 people who are annually selected by NomCom or by the support organization or advisory committees.
So with this is clearer and I think it's a waste of time here to discuss about any visible additional language options, but I can really tell you I'm living in a multilingual country. Most of the conferences and meetings I regularly attend and Switzerland are multilingual following certain particular necessities of this country, but I can tell you I've organized plenty of such conferences. The translation cost it's always a side argument to argue, yes we can use volunteers etc. for translation.
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It is very hard even for an English-speaking person, but for a non-trained interpreter it's more or less confusing and meaningless to translate this into other languages just for the sake of language diversity. You can expect those people sitting in the classroom or in the venue, wherever that is, are able to communicate in English because they applied for a leadership position where this is a required character. So, please Sala I give you the last word on this. unmigrated-wiki-markup
Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro: Thank you. First of all in terms of those who have been preparing for the leadership roles I think I was under the, and Olivier was right, misconception that it was actually for a camp or primarily for At-Large people and the other people were of course invited. And I thought we were training our people so that they can better understand processes so that they can better engage. But, clearly I was confused and yes you're right Olivier and for that I of course apologize for my \ [inaudible 58:48\]. unmigrated-wiki-markup
On another meeting in terms of the language diversity discussion, yes Wolf I hear you and I agree with you and where you're coming from. And I think in relation to a notion from ICANN Academy which is posted in the actual workspace and a recommendation for and I think also to the group. I don't know. I'm \ [inaudible 59:17\] to know that this is more of a leadership training thing or I don't know other type and stuff, but can meet us and whatnot.
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Sandra Hoferichter: Thank you Sala and if you will look at a structure of the ICANN community wiki space you see that our proposal, the ICANN Academy was born in Work Team B, the recommendation for or are you looking at it comes from Work Team D and this proposal was made in Work Team B and that's where the proposal was developed in August. So, we are talking about two different pairs of shoes and what everything else should be or could be developed is not the goal of this group.
It can be linked to each other and we can shift to other aspects later on, but at the moment we are under time pressure and we have to fulfill to setup an ICANN Academy for Toronto and that's it. Olivier you raised your hand?unmigrated-wiki-markup
Olivier Crepin-Leblond: Thank you Sandra, Thank you Sandra, it's Olivier for the transcript. Actually Sala on the link that you sent, the recommendations for a link is the follow-up to the Interim Report that the ALAC has submitted last year. Now the ALAC report itself which is the report on the At-Large Improvements Project \ [inaudible 01:01:24\] Report of the 9th of October 2011 and I recommend that you read through it. I don't know whether you have or not, but its got all of the recommendations and in fact the ICANN Academy itself was basically branched off from that report already prior to the follow-up.
Now the follow-up that you're seeing is actually the next recommendation which is, "Establish an engagement program for existing At-Large ALS members to be conducted year round and modeled after a certain aspects of the Diplo Foundation," and that is what you are now seeing in the follow-up work that Cheryl is leading on the At-Large Improvements. This will eventually, and we're hoping sooner rather then later, come up with an actual engagement program and a capacity building program.
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Avri Doria: Yeah, I just wanted to say that if we followed that pattern and if people want I'm more than willing to go through the variety of information that was there on the wiki with regarding people's comments and see if I can't update the version that was put out and try and take as much of that into account as its within the Academy notion and put out another and both fix it there and send it out to the email list for people that may not be comfortable with that. So, if you do want to follow the general, this little group, which is the curriculum, whatever we call ourselves, then I can take it on myself to take those two steps. Of course if someone else would prefer to do it I'm more than willing to step back.willing to step back.
Sandra Hoferichter: Thank you Avri. Carlos you raised your hand? Carlos you might be muted. He says my line is down. Okay could somebody please tell him he will be able to speak later? He's disconnected. Okay, any other opinions or any other objections? So then I will be more then happy to take up Avri's suggestion to actually copy and paste the proposed curriculum already and publish it to the whole Working Group for discussion. I will deliver my input so far as well, but I think what Avri offered on [inaudible 01:07:06] was very first in a very good move. Wiki Markup
I know and you may have recognized as well that Siva and Glenn and also Hong made some very valuable proposals in terms of peer-to-peer mentoring or setup a model or a Scrum, whatever this is. I was trying to find out before. It must be something with online learning and I think this is even the point where recommendation for, which Sala mentioned before, and the ICANN proposal can be linked to each other, but maybe not at this stage. Maybe later on during the year, but this should be the focus to develop some things in parallel and to link them to each other. Carlos could you connect now?
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Sandra Hoferichter: Yes please, why not.
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Sandra Hoferichter: Thank you Carlos. Question, would you agree if Avri or who else publish a first proposal including your comments now to the whole Working Group or do you propose to discuss this within this small group for the moment?
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Avri Doria: No, it was an accident.
Sandra Hoferichter: Okay, so I had a bad line for a moment, but I would propose now is to start quickly. Avri proposed to my point of view a very good inaudible Wiki Markup
But this should also happen quite soon because I know in the working group there are other experts which like to give their input. I mentioned that Glenn and Siva already. I know Hong is willing. I think Bill is a valuable resource to include, so we should do this very quickly just to produce a first draft to be submitted to the Working Group. It should not be at the final document in my point of view. Do you agree to this or are there any objections? I see none.
Then I would like to repeat ask Avri to submit her proposal to this small Program Committee and ask Matt to take down as an action item to search for the existing materials for the fellowship and other programs. Matt could you please --
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Sandra Hoferichter: Okay, thank you Matt. Thank you for responding.
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Heidi Ullrich: Sorry, I don't know what was going on technically. My computer's not working and my phone wasn't until just a moment ago. But could I suggest for that action item that we involve \[inaudible 01:17:28\] for the newcomers as well as Janice for the fellowship and that they can invite information that they think might be relevant for Ullrich: Sorry, I don't know what was going on technically. My computer's not working and my phone wasn't until just a moment ago. But could I suggest for that action item that we involve [inaudible 01:17:28] for the newcomers as well as Janice for the fellowship and that they can invite information that they think might be relevant for this.
Sandra Hoferichter: Yes, absolutely. You can link them to me. This would be great and I'll submit it then to the Program Committee crew.
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Sandra Hoferichter: Thank you Carlos and just to make it crystal clear with newcomers you mean those participants of the Fellowship Program?
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Sandra Hoferichter: Okay, thank you Carlos. I don't think I do understand it entirely because --
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Sandra Hoferichter: Okay, so what would you propose from the timeline it maybe not to be held because I know before an ICANN Meeting, I know this for myself, people are very busy because they are off for a week and have to do a lot of things and I'm afraid if we do it one week before we want have that much participation. What would you prefer Heidi or staff?
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Sandra Hoferichter: Okay, so we have actually only two weeks to work on a draft curriculum. Avri I think you have some comment on this issue. Thank you Heidi for the moment.unmigrated-wiki-markup
Avri Doria: Thank you. I'm thinking about the schedule. I was thinking this will be rushing it. Also with the way that \[inaudible Doria: Thank you. I'm thinking about the schedule. I was thinking this will be rushing it. Also with the way that [inaudible 01:28:43\] things I find myself a little confused on my current action item, so I wanted to check on that. I thought that I was going to gather what I had written and try and take the rest into account the stuff that had been said and post that to \ [inaudible 01:29:00\]. It sounds like you're saying now I should just cut what I did previously and send that to us. I'd like clarification on that.
If even in that case if it's talking about two weeks before we're ready to say to this subgroup and the group, on which we are apart, it's fine with us that cutting it close especially since we don't even have a meeting planned yet for that other group and I don't think we've been giving them much of an update on what we're doing. Maybe we have, I don't know. So that's cutting it close, but if there is to be a webinar I'll certainly help with it. But I think it's pressing it and I'm not sure what the value is in doing a webinar on this material before Costa Rica when this is about a plan for Toronto. Thanks.
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