The next Privacy & Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP WG teleconference is scheduled for Tuesday 18 August 2015 at 1400 UTC (07:00 PDT, 10:00 EDT, 15:00 London, 16:00 CET).
Adobe Connect WITH AUDIO enabled: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/ppsai/
Proposed Agenda:
- Roll call/updates to SOI
- Consideration of issues arising from Part 1 of the WG Public Comments Review Tool dated 20 July
- Consideration of issues arising from Part 2 of the WG Public Comments Review Tool dated 7 August
- Status report from Sub Team 4 on Additional Topics (co-convenors: Kathy Kleiman & Paul McGrady)
- Next steps
Documents for Review:
Public Comment Review Tool - Part 2 - 9 August
Call Recording: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-18aug15-en.mp3
Meeting Transcript: http://gnso.icann.org/en/meetings/transcript-ppsai-18aug15-en.pdf
Attendees:
Graeme Bunton RrSG
Val Sherman IPC
Kathy Kleiman NCSG
Stephanie Perrin NCSG
Terri Stumme BC
Todd Williams IPC
Griffin Barnett- IPC
Sara Bockey RrSG
Roger Carney - RrSG
Frank Michlick Individual
Steve Metalitz – IPC
Volker Greimann - RrSG
Sarah Wyld – RrSG
Osvaldo Novoa – ISPCP
Darcy Southwell – RrSG
Rudi Vansnick – NPOC
James Bladel RrSG
David Hughes - IPC
Carlton Samuels – ALAC
Phil Corwin – BC
Kiran Malancharuvil - IPC
Paul McGrady IPC
Apologies:
Lindsay Hamilton-Reid RrSG
Don Blumenthal - RySG
James Gannon NCUC
Holly Raiche ALAC
Michele Neylon - RrSG
Marika Konings -Staff
ICANN staff:
Mary Wong
Amy Bivins
Nathalie Peregrine
Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 18 August 2015
Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome to the Privacy & Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP WG teleconference on Tuesday, 18 August 2015.
James Bladel:Good Morning! I need to finish up another issue for the next 5-7 minutes. Will rejoin then. Thanks!
Graeme Bunton:You're maybe just a hint quiet Steve.
Nathalie Peregrine:Terri Stumme and Kathy Kleiman are on the audio bridge
Nathalie Peregrine:Rudi Vansnick has joined the AC room
Nathalie Peregrine:David Hughes is on the audio bridge
Nathalie Peregrine:Phil Corwin has joined the audio bridge
stephanie Perrin:Can you up your volume please Steve, can barely hear
Nathalie Peregrine:Osvaldo Novoa has joined the AC room
Osvaldo Novoa:Hello, sorry I am late.
Graeme Bunton:My understanding with 11 is that James' concern was understood and accepted
Kathy Kleiman:Is there a question 14?
Mary Wong:Reminder that the "plain" Yes and No answers are the count of those that did not put in additional comments. Those that did are listed individually and are thus not included in this count (e.g. of 36 responders to Q15).
Nathalie Peregrine:Roger Carney has joined the AC room
Nathalie Peregrine:Griffin Barnett is on the audio bridge
Rudi Vansnick:@Stephanie: + 1 as i joined recently this WG I need more time to go through all archives and history of what has been done till now
Nathalie Peregrine:Carlton Samuels has joined the bridge
Carlton Samuels:Morning all
James Bladel:TEAC is a good model.
stephanie Perrin:That is truly heroic, Rudi!
Kathy Kleiman:Question 11 is really question 11 and 14?
Carlton Samuels:I can't hear Steve at all
Kathy Kleiman:OK - thanks!
stephanie Perrin:Morning Carlton!
Kathy Kleiman:Tx - appreciate it
Carlton Samuels:Still cannot hear Steve
Carlton Samuels:Hi Steph
Nathalie Peregrine:@ Carlton, I hear him fine on AC audio and audio bridge, would you like a dial out?
Mary Wong:@Carlton, I can hear him well too, if that helps.
Carlton Samuels:Hi Nathalie. Thanks all the same but not in a place to take it.
Carlton Samuels:I hear everybody else just fine
stephanie Perrin:Me too, I have a hard time hearing him.
Kiran Malancharuvil 2:No problem hearing Steve through Adobe Connect for me
Nathalie Peregrine:Paul McGrady has joined the AC room
Volker Greimann:Steve is more silent than other speakers
Paul McGrady:Sorry to be late to the call. This morning did not work out as I planned!
Kathy Kleiman:Hi Paul - welcome. Subteam 4 has presented - big picture of our plans and approach
Volker Greimann:The authority of the complainant should be easily verifyable by looking at the legal grant of authority
Volker Greimann:such is not the case for a backdoor authorization
Carlton Samuels:@Graeme Isn't your angst about lacking due process?
Paul McGrady:Thanks Kathy!
Carlton Samuels:..and thus, not about definition of 'law enforcement' but evidence of 'due process'?
Kiran Malancharuvil 2:What is backdoor authority? It is common in the United States to contract out the work of government/LE... would that be "backdoor"?
Graeme Bunton:Point taken re: competing standards
Kiran Malancharuvil 2:They wouldn't have a regulatory or legislative mandate?
Kiran Malancharuvil 2:But would be contracted and would be operating under a transfer of powers.
Mary Wong:Will do, Steve.
Volker Greimann:Kiran: Exactly, I am looking for legislative or other regulatory authority, i.e. easily verifyable
Kiran Malancharuvil 2:I'm missing what you're saying "exactly" about. Exactly as in it would have to be a clear letter of authority?
Kiran Malancharuvil 2:Or exactly you would consider this backdoor?
Kathy Kleiman:From RAA:3.18.2 Registrar shall establish and maintain a dedicated abuse point of contact, including a dedicated email address and telephone number that is monitored 24 hours a day, seven days a week, to receive reports of Illegal Activity by law enforcement, consumer protection, quasi-governmental or other similar authorities designated from time to time by the national or territorial government of the jurisdiction in which the Registrar is established or maintains a physical office. Well-founded reports of Illegal Activity submitted to these contacts must be reviewed within 24 hours by an individual who is empowered by Registrar to take necessary and appropriate actions in response to the report. In responding to any such reports, Registrar will not be required to take any action in contravention of applicable law.
Kiran Malancharuvil 2:MUTE YOUR SPEAKERS if you're not talking
James Bladel:mute microphones please
Mary Wong:Definition now pasted into the right hand side Notes pod.
Carlton Samuels:I think the SP role is to first establish a sense that 'due process' was observed. Due process in context means some standard of evidence and adjudication from which an action can be adduced.
Graeme Bunton:Interesting idea James
James Bladel:Anything that captures the "linkage" between the two docs.
Kathy Kleiman:Sorry Mary, what other definitions or interpretations?
Kathy Kleiman:Not a blanket rule;
Carlton Samuels:What is required is for a response to be 'well founded'!
Darcy Southwell:Case by case is probably more appropriate.
Mary Wong:@Kathy, I meant where the report refers to other terms and standards, e.g. IRTP, Whois Accuracy Spec, TEAC, etc.
Darcy Southwell:Agree with James that the linkage to RAA 3.18 definition is important. Differing definitions will pose significant implementation challenges for companies who operate as a registrar and a P/P provider.
Philip Corwin:Agree with james that coordinating the definition of govt. agency for RAA and PPSAI purposes seems like a logical idea.
Paul McGrady:Thanks Steve. Thanks Mary!
Mary Wong:That's right, Steve.
