Attendees:

Members:  Nigel Roberts, Nick Wenban-Smith, Martin Boyle,Mirana Tasic, Peter Koch, Barrack Otieno, Danko Jevtovic, Eberhard Lisse, Patricio Poblete, Wafa Dahmani, Abibu Ntahigiye

Participants: 

Observers and experts: Jaap Akkerhuis

Staff:  Bart Boswinkel, Maria Otanes

Apologies: Peter Vergote, Michele Neylon, Peter Van Roste, Annebeth Lange, Maureen Hilyard, Naela Sarras (tent)

Agenda:

1. Welcome & Roll Call

2. Action Items

3. Scenario 2 Document, final reading

4. Working Methods: final reading

5. Preparing for San Juan

    5.1 How to conduct the comparative analysis?

    5.2 Working schedule post San Juan

6. Next meetings

7. AOB

Documents:

Recording:

Transcript:  EN

Chat Transcript:

Maria Otanes:Hello all. Welcome to the ccPDP Working Group on Retirement call. Today is 01 March @09:00 UTC
Svitlana Tkachenko:Hello!
Maria Otanes:hello Svitlana! You're the first on the call. It will start in 25 minutes
Svitlana Tkachenko:i'm ahead of time, just to check the connection
Maria Otanes:okay, great. please let me know if you run into any issues
Svitlana Tkachenko:everything is ok.
Maria Otanes:great!
Maria Otanes:welcome Vadim
Vadim Mikhaylov:Hello everyone! Hope you are well.
Maria Otanes:all is well here :) you're the second to join. we'll get started in about 15 minutes or so
Vadim Mikhaylov:ok
Svitlana Tkachenko:Hi Vadim!
Vadim Mikhaylov:Hi Svitlana!
Bart Boswinkel:Hi All
Maria Otanes:you're a little difficult to hear, Nigel
Svitlana Tkachenko:what is it? (sound)
Barbara:Hi, everyone!
el:can you make the agenda scrollable, please?
el:Thank
Mirjana Tasic .rs:Hi everyone
Peter Koch (DE):hello everyone
Peter Koch (DE):yes, sir
Nick Wenban-Smith:morning - snowing hard here in Oxford
Peter Koch (DE):somebody's at an airport?
Danko Jevtović:Hi everyone
Nenad Orlić:no scroll
jaap akkerhuis:The displayed document is 1.2.2, we just got 1.2.5 in the mail
Nenad Orlić:yes, 1.25 with my comments and eberhards edit
Maria Otanes:maria.otanes@icann.org
Stephen Deerhake:It probably went to Kim...
Nenad Orlić:and eberhard accidentely remidend me with another consequence
Nenad Orlić:archive.org purged all sites from .yu from its archives
Nenad Orlić:about two years ago
Nenad Orlić:its for you to decide if this is relevant
jaap akkerhuis:This is the text:NOrlić: One consequence of the .YU Retirement was a noticeable drop in web site traf c, due to link breaking [17]. It is fair to assume that this impact would be even greater today. Another consequence was that some .YU do- main names could not transition to .RS due to names available in .YU being reserved in .RS. This even affected popular websites. For example:The free service email.co.YU could not be registered in .RS as all variations of ’email’ were reserved and eventu- ally had to shut down. A well known ISP could not transition .net.YU (as net.YU was reserved by government) and had to use a completely different name.
Nigel:this should be captured
Maria Otanes:new doc up
Maria Otanes:Abibu joined audio
Stephen Deerhake:Thank you Maria!
Maria Otanes:no problem!
Danko Jevtović:Peter +1, good to generalise
Peter Koch (DE):'This demonstrates that persistence is not a property of ccTLDs or any identifiers based on them.'
el:I agree with Peter, and don't really mind when and where we do this
Stephen Deerhake:I think capturing and documenting the "back story" is important. Not sure where they should end up, but they should not be "lost" either.
Stephen Deerhake:Line 83
Nick Wenban-Smith:agreed
el:I agree with STephen, that we should capture as much historic information as possible
Nenad Orlić:yes, just a little remark
Nenad Orlić:(as net.RS was reserved for goverment)
el:louder please
el:too loud
el:better
Mirjana Tasic .rs:I suppport Peter's and Jaap's discussion. The instability of reserved list is obvious.
Nenad Orlić:lost you
abibu:@maria - on adobe connect now.
Maria Otanes:thanks, abibu
jaap akkerhuis:No Eberhard, according to the standard it can only assigned or not
Peter Koch (DE):all the reserved 'states' are internal to the MA and their exact handling is undefined in the standard
el:yes, Jaap, but that doesn't help us
Peter Koch (DE):we would also want to avoid to generate pressure on the MA by giving, say, privilege to 'exceptionally reserved'
el:SU is not assigned
el:UK is not "assigned"
el:EU is not "assigned"
Nigel:AC?
Peter Koch (DE):as far as I understand, SU is not our concern
Nigel:A policy that covers all existing ccTLDs is our concern
el:no, but there are Code Elements which are not "assigned" for which ccTLDs exist
el:and iwe need to define what happens to a ccTLD if the same happens to them as what happens to SU
Martin Boyle:Neither do I
jaap akkerhuis:As far as IANA is concerned, SU is still on it's way out
Stephen Deerhake:Great idea Nick!
el:am off line will call again
Nenad Orlić:I won't be in San Juan, have a good time there
Nenad Orlić:And take care
Nenad Orlić:https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.numbeo.com_crime_in_San-2DJuan&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=pPHd0x0RM7KKQRoBWnp9qDoof8XAySj8yhHq-z8EWgM&m=-On8ZQDCqKW3CUlMneMx9LVsR6-ek0659LTPtVkI91g&s=8QI7mXNoueuFDQovU1QQrOv1ykQQITAoMidMh6FbCKg&e=
Nenad Orlić:I will write additional comments on list
Nenad Orlić:have to go now
Nenad Orlić:bye
el:am back
Stephen Deerhake:@Nick: +1
Barrack Otieno AFTLD:none from me
Barrack Otieno AFTLD:safe travels for those going to SJ
Nick Wenban-Smith:great looking forward to sun in PR
jaap akkerhuis:Bye!
Danko Jevtović:thank you all
Stephen Deerhake:Safe travels everyone! Get ready to enjoy the warm!
Nick Wenban-Smith:bye#
Barbara:Thank you and bye
Vadim Mikhaylov:Bye!
Danko Jevtović:enjoy San Juan!
Mirjana Tasic .rs:Bye all
Svitlana Tkachenko:bye

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